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Dvorak on How Microsoft Can Kill Linux

gewg_ writes "John C. Dvorak thinks he knows the way Redmond can kill Linux. Basing his premise on the relative dearth of device drivers available for Linux (compared to what is available for Windows), he sees an opportunity for the Borg to embrace and extinguish." From the article: "The immediate usefulness of Linux running under Windows is obvious. You can use all the Windows drivers for all the peripherals that don't run under Linux. Drivers have always been an issue with Linux as PC users have gotten spoiled with Windows driver support. Today's user wants to grab just about anything and not worry about installing it and making it work."

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  1. -1 Troll by Golias · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Does anybody still take a word that says seriously anymore? All he ever does is troll for ad hits by saying something which will piss off one fringe group of computer geeks or another.

    Honestly. Why ever link to that joker?

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  2. Don't click by JanneM · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Please don't click the link.

    John Dvorak knows the state of Linux drivers versus Windows (or Mac) perfectly well. This is an excellent example of writing something obviously incorrect so you get a huge amount of hits and links from people that (rightly) disagree.

    Exactly like the Science Citation Index, actually, but speeded up about 20 times.

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    1. Re:Don't click by sstidman · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Ahhh, the old DOESNTWORKFORME response. I've used Linux with a large assortment of hardware. I've also used Windows. I am not a Linux zealot like everyone else nor a Windows zealot, but I have generally had more trouble with Windows drivers than Linux drivers. For example, I have a Hauppage WinTV card on one of my dual-boot machines. It works flawlessly under Linux. I get weird errors under Windows and can't use the card at all. I've reinstalled the drivers in Windows, but no luck. The quality of many Windows drivers simply suck; I find that the Linux drivers tend to work much better. The main reason tends to be that many Windows hardware drivers include all kinds of unnecessary bells and whistles. My favorite recent example is the driver for the Lexmark Z11 inkjet printer. It's just a printer, so I could probably use a generic driver and it would work great. But Lexmark included all this unnecessary crap so that it puts an unneeded icon in my task bar as well as having a man come over my speaker telling me each time I print a job (I know I just printed, but thanks for telling me ;-). Linux drivers tend to simply do whatever they are supposed to do, nothing more nothing less. They probably do so with less code than their Windows counterparts because of the lack of bells and whistles and less code generally means fewer bugs.

      Driver support used to be a problem under Linux, but it really hasn't been a problem for quite some time. There are certainly exceptions to that statement, but your blanket statement that Windows has vastly better driver support simply isn't true anymore.

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  3. I disagree completely with Dvorak by bigtallmofo · · Score: 5, Insightful

    John Dvorak has been in the computer industry about as long as Univac, but I really disagree with him on his points in TFA.

    The first thing I disagree with is his assertion of how useful Linux would be when running under Windows. Is anyone crying for this?

    His second assertion that Microsoft could create a flavor of Linux with their driver-base that people would adopt is just as loony. Beyond its quality nature, isn't one of the reasons people switch to Linux to get rid of Microsoft and their business practices and high prices?

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    1. Re:I disagree completely with Dvorak by krgallagher · · Score: 5, Insightful
      "His second assertion that Microsoft could create a flavor of Linux with their driver-base that people would adopt is just as loony. Beyond its quality nature, isn't one of the reasons people switch to Linux to get rid of Microsoft and their business practices and high prices?"

      The thing I don't get is that he acts like Microsoft owns the drivers. The hardware manufacturers own the drivers. If Linux becomes the dominant OS, hardware manufacturers will write drivers that run directly in Linux. Why would they continue to write drivers that run in HAL when it is just a piece of cruft attached to the real OS?

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  4. Not exactly... by The+One+KEA · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'll readily admit as soon as the next person that Linux doesn't support all of the latest & greatest hardware. That doesn't mean that it doesn't support last-generation hardware though - as long as you do research and buy the right sort of hardware, you can usually build a system where almost every piece is well-supported by any given Linux distro.

    Companies like Intel and ATi are examples of how the hardware manufacturers are realizing that Linux users want to use their hardware too.

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  5. So, let me get this straight... by 14erCleaner · · Score: 4, Insightful
    What he's saying is, if Microsoft starts supporting Linux that Linux will go away?

    If that were true, why hasn't Windows gone away?

    Dvorak thinks that open-source developers will stop working on their stuff if they perceive it as benefitting Microsoft. I say this is obviously not true; there are many, many projects now that run on Windows (like Firefox, just to pick one major example), and their developers don't seem the least bit deterred by running on Windows.

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  6. Never gonna happen by bonch · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This week-old story from OSNews is pointless. Microsoft would never do that, because it would acknowledge that an opponent was on the level of Windows.

    Look how Microsoft very rarely mentions Linux, and barely mentions OS X at all (if ever). Microsoft's voice is heard by so many pointy-haired bosses that to talk about someone or release a product based around them is to give free advertising. Granted, they make an Office for Mac, but you'd never know it if you weren't a Mac user.

  7. Re:Boring day? by Golias · · Score: 5, Insightful

    No, Jon Katz was sinserely wrong. He watched Buffy reruns and thought he understood modern teens, read Kevin Mitnick interviews in 2600 and thought he understood hacker culture, read Slashdot comments and thought they were a representative sample of American geeks. I think he was genuinely surprised at how detested some of his rambling became around here.

    Dvorak, on the other hand, knows better. He knows that if he calls the iBook 300 "girly" or says that Linux-on-Windows will put Red Hat, Debian, and Gentoo out of business, people will rush to the web site to read his rubbish, and then comment on it it forums, link to it on blogs and slash sites, and go to great lengths to alert the world about how wrong he is... all of which gets his site hits, and makes his publisher very happy with him. He's laughing all the way to the bank, because his goal is not to be seen as insightful, but simply to be seen.

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  8. Jesus, What a MORON! by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 5, Insightful
    I have read J.D. for 20 years. I have enjoyed him for his "devil's advocate" stance. But, man! What an IDIOT!

    He doesn't know the first thing about what he's saying!

    Linux as a task under Windows exists!

    Linux as a task under Linux exists.

    In either instance, the "guest" OS doesn't get a "magic ride" on the hosts's drivers.

    He takes an out-of-context comment, and combines it with half-knowlege of the subject and a dollop of wishful thinking.

    Whoops! I think I just defined "Visionary"!

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    1. Re:Jesus, What a MORON! by Pedrito · · Score: 5, Insightful

      He doesn't know the first thing about what he's saying!

      # Linux as a task under Windows exists!

      # Linux as a task under Linux exists.

      # In either instance, the "guest" OS doesn't get a "magic ride" on the hosts's drivers.


      I suspect you didn't actually READ beyond the first paragraph of the article (either that, or you just didn't understand it) nor did any of the people that modded you up.

      His comment about running Linux as a task was not his topic, it was simply pointing out an existing project. What he IS talking about is replacing the Linux driver interface with a Windows compatible driver interface that basically allows Linux to use MS drivers. I can't really comment on the feasibility of this, but this is a far cry from running Linux as a task.

    2. Re:Jesus, What a MORON! by chris_mahan · · Score: 4, Insightful

      MS could not do that. They'd have to release the MS-Linux (I feel icky just saying that) in the GPL, and that would just chafe them big time.

      It would probably mean that manufacturers would say: Heck, leenooks people want drivers, microsoft wants drivers, let's just write linus drivers, since MS can use their MS-Linux.

      That woul dbe the death of the current windows Codebase.

      OT: Longhorn will not be released. Microsoft will have collapsed enough by then that they won't be able to support the core dev team.

      Fine, don't believe me. Just remember that windows 2003 server is already 2 years old, it is an overkill already.

      That, and if you want real enterprise-grade software, you go Linux (free as in Zero Dollars)

      For those of you who have a hard time accespting the last statement:
      Oracle is the de-facto enterprise database. See http://www.itp.net/news/details.php?id=13678&categ ory=

      IBM's newest mainframe, the zSeries, supports Redhat, Suse, and Turbolinux. But no MS Windows. See http://www-1.ibm.com/servers/eserver/zseries/os/

      Linux on cellphones:
      http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1765103,00.as p?kc=EWRSS03119TX1K0000594

      Linux at Merryl Lynch, etc etc etc.

      You can't kill linux. Even Linus can't kill Linux. If Linus decided he had had enough of the rat race and decided to spend all his time at home with his wife, Linux would go on withour missing a beat.
      Microsoft can't kill linux for the very same reasons.

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  9. Re:Confused... by Skye16 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Those Linux fanboys you speak of are the same ones that brought it from a concept in Linus' mind to the relative powerhouse it is today. Sure, it isn't the desktop to end all desktops, but look at how far something that was put together by a bunch of geeks in their parents' basements has come.

    Everyone talks about the "death" of Linux that, or Microsoft "crushing" Linux. They may someday crush Redhat and SuSE and others, but they're never going to stop this "geek (r)evolution" from continuing to unfold. The only thing that could do that is something just as free and better.

  10. Re:WHAT!? by dcarey · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Look,

    This is the SAME GUY who went through tirade after temper-tantrum-touting-tirade about how he was eviling being targeted as an Apple hater meanwhile spewing out vitriolic fodder on how Apple will die (all within the confines of an OBJECTIVE viewpoint, of course ;). This as far back as 1998. You see where Apple is today.

    Dvorak's not a credible source. Case closed.

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