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FCC to Fine Curses More Than Nuke Violations

DiZNoG writes "With Congress debating new higher fines for broadcast indecency in the wake of last year's 'wardrobe malfunction' and Howard Stern's antics, Rolling Stone has published an interesting perspective on things. Rolling Stone did a review of fines levied by other federal regulatory bodies, and has found the new indecency fines disproportionately large compared to other fines. According to the article, if the bill passes then 'for the price of Janet Jackson's 'wardrobe malfunction' during the Super Bowl, you could cause the wrongful death of an elderly patient in a nursing home and still have enough money left to create dangerous mishaps at two nuclear reactors.' The article further states the largest fine the Nuclear Regulatory Commission levied last year was $60,000, this new bill would allow broadcast indecency fines up to $500,000. Glad I keep my broadcast cursing to a minimum, now if I could only get a handle on those pesky dangerous nuclear mishaps."

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  1. Nothing really new. by miskatonic+alumnus · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Playboy magazine had an article some years back during the war on drugs (boy, I'm glad we killed all those drugs and only have partially nude pop stars and terrorists to deal with) comparing typical prison sentences for murder and rape vs. selling LSD to an undercover cop. Guess who the government thinks is more dangerous --- as measured by length of time served?

    1. Re:Nothing really new. by wwwrench · · Score: 3, Interesting

      You think that's bad? Get this: A guy in Oregon Jeff "Free" Luers" got 23 years in jail for setting 3 SUV's on fire. I guess protecting cars can get a higher priority than protecting women from rape or murder. His case is not that well known, although there are a few websites about it.

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  2. If Americans ruled British TV... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    ... they'd be fucking loaded, a single 30 minute show would net them about $20m, the fines would soon equate to the combined GDP of all the third-world nations combined. US guests are sometimes amazed with what's being said, Jonathan Ross seems to faze them most... imagine Stern doing the Letterman at 8pm primetime on the biggest network... saying whatever he fucking likes and without no bloody adverts!

    I thought it odd that Radio 1 now says during certain shows "this show contains strong language, if you easily offended please turn off your radio, if NOT please turn it up!"... now that's unreasonable, they just to do all that without warning or apology before, it's a bloody outrage... cunts.

  3. Music and Shoplifting by nurb432 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Same sort of story there.. You get less time if you actually commit a crime and steal a cd then if you commit a copyright violation and copy the same thing.

    Its all about who has more money..

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  4. Re:Stupid, yes. But surprising? by BlueCodeWarrior · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Michael K. Powell is Chairman of the Federal Communications Commission. Chairman Powell was nominated by President William J. Clinton to a Republican seat on the Commission, and was sworn in on November 3, 1997. He was designated chairman by President George W. Bush on January 22, 2001.

    http://www.fcc.gov/commissioners/powell/mkp_biogra phy.html

    Don't be so quick to blame things on those who oppose your views.

  5. Re:Benjamins by Ingolfke · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The point is not that "people don't matter". Fines are a motivational tool used to enforce regulations. The level of the fine is an incentive to the individual or business to not violate the regulation. Fines must be set at a level that is prohibitively high, if a business can make one minor mistake and lose everything, the risk is too high and many people will not go into that business, and the cost of the increased risk, and the reduced supply will be passed onto the consumer. At the same time, the fine cannot be too low or it will not be adhered to. If show breasts, swearing, etc. only cost $60,000 per incident most networks would seriously consider running Sex and the City, the Sopranoes or uncut R-rate movies on prime time TV, because they'd make that cost up and more in viewership. This effectively defeats the purpose of the regulation because the fines are not effective motivators.

    To be clear, my point is not that we should or should not allow Howard Stern, boobs, or Sex and the City on primetime broadcast television, rather I'm saying that fines have to be proportional or they prove to be ineffective.

    For the grandparent who referred to the low fines for nuclear power plants. $60,000 was "the Nuclear Regulatory Commission levied last year". There is no information in the post or in the article about what these fines were for or what the maximum penalty for the plant would have been for a situation that could have actually led to a nuclear incident. For all we know that fine for not putting the wet floor sign up in the men's restroom after it had just been mopped.

  6. Re:Broadcast violations are intentional by NeuroManson · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Violating decency rules can occur accidentally. For example, a bystander yelling "Holy shit!" when watching a crash take place on live TV.

    Such occurred on CNN when they broadcast the video footage of the planes hitting the WTC. The newscaster shrugged "I apologise for the language, but think it's appropriate nonetheless".

    Said footage was aired HUNDREDS of times around the country, unbleeped, and the FCC turned a blind eye to it.

    The major problem isn't the language, the psychotic religious right being in charge, who are trying to legislate morality.

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  7. Re:Duh by demachina · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Do a google search on Davis Besse. Its the nuclear power plant that nearly let their containment vessel rust through.

    As for the profitability of power companies versus media companies, First Energy, the owners of Davis Besse and some coal fired power plants cleared $878 million in profits just in the first quarter of 2004, and that was while they were stuggling to repair Davis Besse. Energy companies, thanks to deregulation, a blind eye from the FERC and the Bush administration, and a carefully managed shortage of power can charge as much as they want for electricty.

    First Energy's name may sound familiar because they are also suspected to have been responsible for the blackout on the east coast.

    Also reference Enron's scam to nearly bankrupt California by artificially inflating the price of electricity. California pled for the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission to step in since it was obvious Enron was colluding with several other energy traders to extort billions of dollars from Californians for electricty. Their illegal activity, since proven by tapes of their energy traders planning the scam, bankrupted PG&E, hammered California's economy and is still hammering it due to the still high cost of electricity, and of course helped put the Republican's in to the governorship. Now there was a situation where some regulation, fines and criminal charges were called for and to date the Bush administration has done nothing about it, and many suspect were in fact colluding with Enron to commit this gigantic fraud, both to help Enron's profitibility and to force a Democrat Governor out of office.

    All in all these fines are just the New Republican Party and the Religious right waging war on New York and Hollywood liberals and striving to inflict their puritanical values on everyone. Meanwhile they are letting their rich friends and big corporate backers rape, loot and pillage the public in order to make handsome profits.

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  8. Re:It's the FCC! by pla · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Excluding the people who disagree, and then saying "everyone agrees" really doesn't tell us much. Not that I don't agree with your basic point, I just think you need to work on your argument a little.

    Normally, I would agree - That sentence counts as an invalid argument.

    In this case, however, it forms a central theme to the argument... Namely, we CAN disagree on whether or not Janet's nipple actually hurts anyone. We can throw various developmental psych theories back and forth, each supporting our point of view more-or-less equally well.

    You can measure radiation levels. You can calculate economic damages based on evacuating and totally closing an area off indefinitely. You can count the dead birds in Alaska.

    It strikes me as absurd that we would punish something that some people find vaguely "offensive" at anywhere near the level we would punish an objectively damage-causing act (It actually baffles me that we would punish the former category at all, but that gets into an entirely different topic).

    True, my choice of phrasing committed a fallacy. But, IMO, a very revealing fallacy, once corrected.