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blacklily8 writes "Someone has finally gotten around to offering an intelligent point-by-point rejoinder to an ex-Brittanica editor's lambasting of Wikipedia--which was covered in this earlier Slashdot post. Aaron Krowne, a mathematician and head of Emory University's library research department, argues here that established encyclopedias are using FUD to discredit what is actually a more reliable way to build an encyclopedia: 'McHenry's definition of quality seems to consist solely of presentational matters such as spelling, grammar, and text flow. These are of course important considerations, but I propose that there are other important facets of quality - for example, coverage.'"

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  1. Re:Coverage = quality? by slavemowgli · · Score: 5, Informative

    If you'd read the article in full, you'd notice that Aaron does not, in fact, claim that it does. Quite the opposite; unlike McHenry, he specifically states that there are several ways to define quality and that coverage (like cohesion) is one of them (but not the only one).

    That being said, "coverage" does not refer to how widely-known/widely-used a certain piece of information is. It's not about how much coverage an article (or a music video) gets; it's about how much coverage it *contains*. What Krowne means is that a longer article with more information and more details has a higher quality (measured in the coverage metric, that is) - provided that the information is correct, but that goes without saying -, not that an article that's read by more people is of a higher quality (even though in Wikipedia's collaborative model where everyone can edit articles, at least, an article with more readers will likely reach a higher coverage and/or cohesion, too).

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  2. Why trust Britannica? by SFA_AOK · · Score: 5, Informative

    Even a 12 year old knows they can't be trusted!

  3. The neatest thing about Wikipedia by ParadoxicalPostulate · · Score: 4, Informative


    The coolest thing, by far, about Wikipedia, is the culture articles. No traditional encyclopedia can possibly record that like Wikipedia does.

    Whether it be language trends, popular contemporary figures, information on small localities and online subcultures, unconventional ideas in science and technology, or books, an encyclopedia model like that of Wikipedia is the only thing that can compile and store such stuff.

    And I think I exceeded the reasonable link limit for that post.

  4. Re:information is not a democracy by slavemowgli · · Score: 4, Informative

    Indeed, and Wikipedia is all about that: facts, and nothing else (the relevant policy is called "NPOV", which means "Neutral Point of View").

    That being said, conflicts happen, of course, and not every single Wikipedia user does hold this principle in as high a regard as they should; and in fact, with certain topics (politics are one example), there unfortunately are users who not only try to push an agenda, but are also very insistent.

    However, it is not true that Wikipedia in general has either a bias or an agenda (outside of the agenda of providing a good, accurate and neutral encyclopedia).

    That being said, if you have problems with specific articles and a consensus with other editors of these articles cannot be reached, there are ways to resolve those conflicts. The first step is to ask for comments from other (not directly involved) people at Wikipedia: Requests for Comments. If that does not help, you can file a request for mediation, where the two parties agree to a mediator that tries to help them resolve the problem; if that does not help, either, you can bring the case to the arbitration committee, who will hear all involved parties, gather evidence, hear statements etc. and ultimately come to a binding resolution. Try it - I've done so myself, and although the conflict this was about lingered for about three months and produced at least 300 KB of mud-slinging on the relevant article's talk page alone, it ultimately *did* get resolved; the offending user (who continued to push an agenda of their own and continually violated the NPOV principle) was banned from editing the relevant article and all pertaining to it for a year, and since then, constructive work on the article has resumed.

    That being said, for immediate conflict resolution, if there is an edit war going on over a page, you can also request page protection; locking an article for a few days is often is a nice way of making sure that everyone cools down and a civilised discussion can resume.

    As for facts not being negotiable, of course they aren't, but you should take care not to confuse facts with opinions. Not everything that *looks* like a fact is one, and while things like the date of George Washington's birthday really *are* facts, other questions like whether the it'd be justified to list shrub's regime on the Kleptocracy article ultimately revolve around opinions, not hard facts.

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  5. Re:information is not a democracy by po8 · · Score: 3, Informative

    The NMR article is, overall, fine. I have a physics degree, and feel that I can accurately judge an article at this level. If you don't believe me, get a physicist friend to check it for you.

    Excellent troll, though.

  6. Wikipedia could do without the commentary by kriston · · Score: 3, Informative
    Wikipedia could do without the commentary and gonzo-style reporting in the articles, even in areas as mundane as satellite communications.

    Witness the article about Satellite C Band:
    Contrary to popular belief, digital C band does in fact[sic] exist.

    And another passage which is not only inflammatory but factually incorrect:
    This contrasts with direct broadcast satellite, which is a completely closed system used to deliver subscription programming to small satellite dishes connected to proprietary receiving equipment.

    Note this anecdotal comment that the author, whoever it may be (there is no way to tell) had evidently pulled out of thin air:
    Service is generally spotty and expensive, but it generally superior to dial-up service and is often the only option.

    Over in an article on the use of L Band, there is a curious comment about how its allocation affects satellite radio but the entry doesn't offer any supporting facts.
    In the U.S., the L band is held by the U.S. Military for telemetry, thereby forcing digital radio to in-band on-channel (IBOC) solutions.

    Another article about Television receive-only satellite has an opening sentence that is even worse:
    Television receive-only, or TVRO, refers to satellite television reception equipment that is based primarily on open standards equipment. This contrasts sharply with direct broadcast satellite (DBS), which is a completely closed system that uses proprietary reception equipment.


    I'm sure this kind of commentary cannot help Wikipedia's credibility. Wikipedia needs a huge content enema.
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    Kriston