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Software Patents Could Stop EU Linux Development

sebFlyte writes "An expert in computer and Internet law has advised that if the CIID is passed in europe (which looks likely but is not certain) then the threat of patent litigation could bring European Linux development to a grinding halt." From the article: "There is no question that some of the open source software that is out there -- such as the Linux kernel itself -- has got patent violations in there. That is acknowledged. There is more danger that those potential violations will be litigated..."

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  1. Maybe Linux has violations in it.. by heavy+snowfall · · Score: 4, Interesting

    ..but don't they lose the right to sue after it has infringed openly for some time? Linux is as open as it gets. And it's been here a while too. Hell, it might even count as previous art against some of the more frivolous (ie most) software patents.

    1. Re:Maybe Linux has violations in it.. by Qzukk · · Score: 4, Interesting

      It is true that Linux MAY contain prior art for some patents.

      Since there are no software patents in Europe right now, it would stand to reason that the Linux kernel would be prior art for any software patent filed after the inclusion of that feature in the kernel, if the ruling allowing them passes. Any existing development would be safe, but future development would run the same risks that development in the US faces now.

      --
      If I have been able to see further than others, it is because I bought a pair of binoculars.
  2. Lousy article by anonicon · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Why did they bother writing it? There are neither examples, illustrations, nor case studies that show WHY Euro Linux or other open source projects will be severely hampered. I'm not disagreeing with him, but his statements have all the informative value of Microsoft FUD.

  3. Could this be FUD? by pg110404 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It's odd how every time a 'linux is on the edge of total destruction' article appears, it tends to come from a source that shuns it. I went to the downloads section and they have windows/mac/mobile sections. Could it be that ZDNet is about as interested in linux as microsoft is in making a better product for the sake of making a better product regardless of their development cost? My long time instinct is to say that ZDNet is so tightly focused on microsoft and mac they're pretty much against anything not 'mainstream'. Also, if there is 'no question' as to linux patent violations, why did the judge in the SCO v.s. IBM case stop short of directly accusing SCO of a dog and pony show and dismissing SCOs charges? Am I missing something, or is this another helping of FUD meant to feed the uninformed?

  4. Re:Really? Bullshit! by tomhudson · · Score: 4, Interesting
    It is a fact that the Linux-kernal incorporates legally infringed copyrights.

    Just look at MPlayer.
    Why? MPlayer has zero to do with the linx kernel. Nothihng. Nada. Zilch.

    Also, if you bothered to RTFA, you'll see that this idiot (Jeremy Mark Malcolm) who's being quoted offers ZERO proof that there is, as he claims:

    ... 'no question' that Linux already violates a number of patents, which could lead to further litigation.
    In other words, he pulled his factoids out of someone's ass (probably McBride's or Gates - oops "Sir" Gates to us peons).

    If you do a google for this guy, you'll see that he's no "legal expert", he's just some part-time (very part-time) lawyer trying to drum up a name for himself down under. His day job (for the last 7 years) is "Manager of Terminus Network Services" here.

    Since 1998 he has been the Manager of Terminus Network Services which specialises in the use of open source software in networked environments and in the development of online systems and he is a Debian Developer.
    The nazguls would eat him before breakfast w/o working up a sweat [tt].

    If you really want to laugh, here's a google cache of his home page.

    "Fisheye Stiller" :: [2005-02-27 05:03PM]

    I spent all day in Fremantle today on location for the shooting of a new
    local independent feature film, Fisheye Stiller. I play a bank teller who
    is held up, then goes on the chase to try to recover the money. We'll be
    back in front of the cameras in April. Watch out for it at film festival
    later this year
    I mean, come on, you want expert advice from someone who describes themselves like this:
    I am also a member, but not currently on the board or executive committee,
    of various other organisations including Australian Mensa (but only so that
    I can put that fact on my resume
    bwaahahahahaha - gee, too bad that the VAST MAJORITY of geniuses aren't stupid enough or insecure enough to pay for the "privilege" of belonging to Mensa.

    Anyone stupid enough to get suckered into paying some other group to say "Hey, they think I'm smart" is White House Press Corps "lob-a-softball-question-for-George" material.

  5. How about forced Open Source? by NigelJohnstone · · Score: 4, Interesting

    How about we insist on forced open source as a price for patents?

    I mean:

    * You can't determine prior art if all the software is closed source.
    * You can't defend against patents if your prevented from showing the prior art.

    Therefore in exchange for patents, all software must be open source. Not just the patented bits (because unpatented bits may be prior art for future patents) - all of it.

    That would fit with the Vacuum cleaner/Steam engine model, since as soon a Dyson puts out a new Vacuum cleaner its obvious from looking at it how it works. So it would put software in the same position.