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Software Patents Could Stop EU Linux Development

sebFlyte writes "An expert in computer and Internet law has advised that if the CIID is passed in europe (which looks likely but is not certain) then the threat of patent litigation could bring European Linux development to a grinding halt." From the article: "There is no question that some of the open source software that is out there -- such as the Linux kernel itself -- has got patent violations in there. That is acknowledged. There is more danger that those potential violations will be litigated..."

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  1. Really? by supe · · Score: 5, Funny

    "There is no question that some of the open source software that is out there -- such as the Linux kernel itself -- has got patent violations in there. That is acknowledged."
    Do you work for SCO?

    1. Re:Really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      No, Microsoft.

  2. Never going to happen by SleeknStealthy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It is impossible to stop the development of software against someones will. It may have to get developed under certain restrictions, but it is impossible to stop because of the inevitable communication through the internet. This is how software is so easily outsourced and it is the same reason development for linux cannot be stifled through litigation, but rather only through disinterest. my take

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  3. Lousy article by anonicon · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Why did they bother writing it? There are neither examples, illustrations, nor case studies that show WHY Euro Linux or other open source projects will be severely hampered. I'm not disagreeing with him, but his statements have all the informative value of Microsoft FUD.

  4. This would halt the entire software industry by Husgaard · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Legalizing software patents in Europe would not only be bad for Linux and other FOSS projects, it would be bad for the traditional closed source software industry too.

    The EPO has already illegally granted over 30,000 software patents in Europe. Because these patents are illegal they cannot be enforced in court. But this means that the european software industry doesn't care about these illegal patents.

    If software patents are legalized, these illegal patents suddenly can be enforced in court.

    It is likely that the european software industry will come to a standstill for years after software patents have been legalized, as they have to spend their resources fighting in court instead of doing research and innovation.

  5. Re:Why does everything has to be patented?? by Anita+Coney · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Because if the everything can be patented, the status quo would have eliminated all competition. There could be no young upstart setting new trends because chances are, it would violate at least one patent.

    Once software patents are valid throughout the world the current tech status quo would have no incentive to innovate. Technology will come to a stand still. Prices will rise. And we will all suffer.

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  6. Re:"An expert"? by johannesg · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Chances are that once all major markets are covered by anti-patent law, interested parties (I mean Microsoft) will strike in force. Right now they are probably willing to hold back, in order not to scare off the EU.

  7. Re:By who? by feloneous+cat · · Score: 5, Funny

    You know, THEM! Those folks. The ones that keep stealing your soda, paper clips and hiding your scissors. The ones that take your postit notes and hide them under your keyboard. THEM!!! The ones that email you about prescription drugs and penis enlargers. THEM!!!! The ones that dress your cat up in fancy lingerie when your off on business trips, drink your beer and hide the remote! THEM!!!!

    Time for my medication already?

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  8. Heavy assertion by kbahey · · Score: 5, Insightful

    There is no question that some of the open source software that is out there -- such as the Linux kernel itself -- has got patent violations in there. That is acknowledged.

    This looks to me like the FUD we have been hearing for a while now. This kind of repetitive rhetoric (argumentum ad nauseum) serves one purpose: to instill in the minds of decision makes in the IT industry (those who hold the strings of the pruse, or those who recommend purchases to them) that they are at risk if they chose Linux.

    If there are violations let us see them! Show us!

    The worse that can happen is those portions will be recoded to be patent free in days or weeks.

  9. Microsoft in Violation of Patents? by Spinlock_1977 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    According to an IP lawyer I once had beer with, and since confirmed numerous times in the press, most large software companies have violated each others' patents - numerous times. But since everyone has "injured" everyone, most no one sues - since they will simply get counter-sued on a different patent.

    That said, it seems obvious that the MS kernel, like probably all other kernels, contains IP violations. The difference is that only the FOSS kernels are open to public scrutiny.

    So commerical companies can keep their IP violations largely secret, while FOSS ones get vetted publicly. Anyone wanna bet whether a closed kernel or open kernel has more IP violations? Does anyone believe that the MS kernel is completely free of IP violations? Anyone wanna buy a bridge?

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  10. Making Loud Noises while Stalking your Prey by buddhaseviltwin · · Score: 5, Insightful

    At this time, many lawyers have advised their clients to postpone litigation at this point pending the CIID passing in Europe.

    They understand that sueing open source projects at this point would:
    * Scare away the Europeans from adopting software patents and turn them into an open source safe-haven by creating a good public case against software patents.
    * Have no financial benefit whatsoever.

    If Linux/Open Source projects/foundations haven't been sued yet, it's because it is currently being stalked by a hungry pride of lions who want to gaurantee they capture their prey.

    Antelopes are skittish for a reason.

  11. Could I get some help here? by BaldingByMicrosoft · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I've been Googling for acknowledgement of Linux kernel patent violations. Other than statements by SCO, I haven't found any.

    Does anyone know what Jeremy Mark Malcolm was talking about when he wrote: "There is no question that some of the open source software that is out there -- such as the Linux kernel itself -- has got patent violations in there. That is acknowledged."?

    He is described as "an information technology lawyer specialising in Internet-related law...". Could this just be twisty English, saying that: Some open source software is acknowledged as having patent violations and that The linux kernel is an example of open source ?

  12. Could this be FUD? by pg110404 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It's odd how every time a 'linux is on the edge of total destruction' article appears, it tends to come from a source that shuns it. I went to the downloads section and they have windows/mac/mobile sections. Could it be that ZDNet is about as interested in linux as microsoft is in making a better product for the sake of making a better product regardless of their development cost? My long time instinct is to say that ZDNet is so tightly focused on microsoft and mac they're pretty much against anything not 'mainstream'. Also, if there is 'no question' as to linux patent violations, why did the judge in the SCO v.s. IBM case stop short of directly accusing SCO of a dog and pony show and dismissing SCOs charges? Am I missing something, or is this another helping of FUD meant to feed the uninformed?