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Job Market for Developers Evaluated

Posted by Zonk on from the java-barista-coffee dept.

David Parmet writes "Using data from indeed.com (an aggregator for job sites), Brandon of devnulled did an evaluation of the state of the job market in the US for developers. Some interesting findings - there are more Linux jobs than Solaris jobs. Unix is still competitive with Windows (only 24,000 fewer job listings for Unix than for Windows), Java is beating .Net and overall there seem to be a lot of enterprise / corporate IT jobs available. Indeed has a web services API / XML interface available here, so if you want you can do the analysis yourself."

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  1. Java scripting by fembots · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The article mentioned it's relatively hard to compare Java to C# as Java is a fairly generic (and sometimes misused) keyword. I have seen companies who asked for JAVA experience, which in reality is expecting you to do Javascript.

    And did the analysis take into account that some "jobs" are posted by head hunters who are only interested in resumeh collection?

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    1. Re:Java scripting by plague3106 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Its not the VB programmers most have a problem with; its the programmers that ONLY know VB. And thier code is always awful.

    2. Re:Java scripting by Bill+Dog · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Of course, if you're an employer, you can list it as a high paying job with a lot of requirements. The more requirements, the less likely you will find someone to meet all of them...and that means you can justify lower pay.

      Or you can add to all the artificial jobs for which unsurprisingly no USian qualifies, thus the software industry as a whole can retain "evidence" for continued desperate need of H1-B's, that they can pay less.

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    3. Re:Java scripting by Klaruz · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Funny you say that, I've been writting in C like languages and python for a long time. Sometimes at work I need to write a vbscript to automate something. I always takes me a while to wrap my head around the bizzaro syntax and quirks (error handling! Ahhh!!) of that language, more than others ever do. After a day or two I'm good to go, but I'm usually done with the project by then.

    4. Re:Java scripting by FuzzyBad-Mofo · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I once outsourced an ASP 3.0 job. It came back in server side javascript. Yeah, I guess you *can* write ASP in javascript, but nobody does.

      Obviously someone does. But I understand your point. Much as Microsofties like to bleat that ASP supports more than just VBScript, that's really the only language which is widely supported under it (and to a lesser extent, under ASP.NET). And by that, I don't mean that other languages don't necessarily work, but the documentation and support resources are biased towards VB.

      Nest a while, a for, a case, and an if statement together in VB and in C# and you will immediately see which is easier to figure out.

      That depends on what you're used to working with. I'll take the C-style implementation any day, preferrably with proper indendation. Usually whenever I'm asked to maintain some BASIC code, not only is it a flow control nightmare, but the code indentation/formatting is pratically nonexistent. Badly written code is hard to read in any language.

    5. Re:Java scripting by The+Grassy+Knoll · · Score: 1, Insightful

      > thier code is always awful

      There's a syntax error in the above statement...

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  2. Oh, great ... by jc42 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I can just see flocks of PHBs reading this, and mandating a conversion of their JavaScript to SQL, because JS is going out while SQL is holding steady.

    I wonder how many readers here will understand all the things that are wrong with this ranking.

    It's also amusing that Fortran, Cobol and RPG still make a top-20 list.

    (Who was it that said "We don't know what programming language we'll be using 50 years from now, but we know it'll be called Fortran"?)

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  3. I'm amazed by the effort to convince us by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    programmers that are looking for work that jobs aren't as scarce as they seem. Why are they trying to do this? We're invisible. We don't count. If they'd stop talking about it, it wouldn't bother me as much.

  4. doesn't have much of a chance by idlake · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If Apple had seriously pushed Dylan when they were first working on it, it might have had a chance. But, today, we have Python, C#, Java, and C++, with mature implementations, lots of libraries, tons of books, and excellent environments to support them. Even if Dylan is arguably better, it is not enough better to catch on.

    Maybe if the Dylan community created a killer IDE with a really high-quality implementation, it might still take off...

  5. Uh-oh by wumpus188 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Most of these "available" jobs are in fact advertisiments required by INS for someone's H1B.

  6. Re:UK Jobs by mikael · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Not forgetting IT Jobs Watch

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  7. Re:".net" jobs by booms · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I consider .NET a framework/platform and not a language persay. Sort of like what J2EE is like for Java. However I'm not a .NET developer, so that notion could certainly be invalid.

    Not to mention most any posting that has C# in it will also mention .NET... while there are plenty of Java jobs that don't involve J2EE at all (like say if you were working on some sort of Swing application).

  8. Flawed Methodology. by luh3417 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Companies often post fake job listings to bolster their case for more offshoring and H1-B hiring. A significant percentage of those jobs just don't exist. At least not if you're an American and/or over 40. Soon, many of you reading this will become American. Soon, many of you reading this will become over 40. Hear me now, believe me later. Let's call it karma.