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Aus. Gov't Considers Fines for Online Suicide Info
downundarob writes "The Australian federal government is once again showing its cluelessness regarding the workings of the Internet. The short article tells us how, under legislation to be introduced this week, corporations would be fined up to AU$500,000 and individuals AU$100,000 if they use the Internet to incite or promote suicide methods. In Australia it is illegal to commit, or attempt to commit suicide."
If this were Fark...
...NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO *breath* OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hmmm... Let's see:
"Wacky News?" check.
Flamebait headline?... check.
Single link to short article?... check.
Trolling?... check.
Die! Die! Die! is part of lyrics of a song. Or so the denfence claims.
(Metalica before they became obvious money grubing pussies)
Make it so your family cant claim life insurance for your death, thats what.
Given the replies and personal email I got, I wanted to specify something :
I wrote "I had" becase it's over.
I'm cured.
I was having a bad time: I lost a job which I actually hated, and I also considered changing my life.
I then had the following strategy : Waiting until the temperature would fall below -10C and sleep naked in my balcony.
The cold came... but too late.
I did not want to end it abruptly because I am married with a delicious woman and I wanted it to look like an accident.
Finally, I decided to perform my auto-therapy.
I am creative, you might not lik what I do but I have fun doin it.
I recorded a rock album which is described here and available (for free) here.
My advice ?
Spit the anger and the fear. You'll end fearless, stronger and alive !
God bless you.
Trolling using another account since 2005.
---------- Jaani.net -- internet law and technology
You want to use firearms. Something like a shotgun should do, whatever it is you want it to give the maximum spread and extent of damage. If you've got just like a handgun lying around or something, don't bother. Take the time to buy the most appropriate weapon for the job, if you can't wait long enough to obtain a worthwhile gun then you don't really want to do this at all. You want firearms because you want to minimize, above all, the risk something can go wrong. "Close" isn't good enough, "close" means waking up tied to a gurney in a state hospital, possibly with serious wounds or brain damage.
In order to avoid "close", you want a method which is as simple and quick and possible. Hence, firearms. Methods based on poison or strangulation have a period during which things can go wrong, and if you vomit or the rope breaks before then, you've failed; you want to avoid this risk entirely. Similarly methods based on falling, snapping your neck, or fire have the possibility that you very well might get "lucky"; you want to avoid this risk entirely as well.
Even with the firearm be careful; where you aim matters, not all the lobes of the brain are essential (the ones in the temples especially it generally doesn't matter if you lose them), and you want to make sure you do this in a place and at a time where in a worst case scenario you can successfully bleed to death without being disturbed.
Do not slit your wrists. I repeat: do not slit your wrists, period, under any circumstances, or even try. There's this rediculous "down not across" meme floating around lately. Doesn't matter. Even if you do it "right", it's still not going to work. Those funny visible blue veins near the surface aren't what you're aiming for at all, and the cuts necessary to slit one's wrists successfully are just so ridiculously deep there's just about no chances of you self-administering such a wound. Similarly: Don't try to kill yourself with carbon monoxide. Just don't bother trying, for one thing it's a much more horrible way to die than you think.
For more information and advice I highly recommend looking for the alt.suicide.holiday "methods file", likely available on google.
And if this is about your love life, or your girlfriend, or some other stupid shallow thing that honestly you're going to forget in a month, don't do it. Suicide is a permanent solution and it is for permanent problems, and permanent problems only. Most problems, whatever they look like to your whiny little self at the moment, are just temporary. Things to consider are that maybe you just need to get over it, and maybe you just have a brain chemistry imbalance which is preventing you from seeing the situation properly. If at any point reading the above you find yourself thinking "but what if I don't have the courage to pull it off" then you had better fucking consider these last two possibilities a lot more strongly.
"You can't yell fire in a crowded theatre." Therefore you have no free speech rights at all. Funny how those seven little words can overpower centuries of struggles to establish the lack of right that the state has to interfere with the expression of a free individual. Funny how these are just words, yet I have to post this as anonymous coward.
... and it is only illegal to attempt suicide in one jurisdiction (of reltively small population - around 200 000)
from http://www.aic.gov.au/publications/tandi/ti52.pdf
"In all jurisdictions, suicide is no longer a crime and, except in the Northern Territory, the crime of attempted suicide has also been abolished. It is, however, still an offence for a person to assist another person to commit suicide or to attempt to commit suicide"
Usenet Newsgroups are an incredible source of information for ANYTHING that involve Humans, even suicide.
& group=alt .suicide
alt.suicide.* has 4 groups;
http://groups.google.ca/groups?hl=en&lr=
I dunno. It was a big big big news event when I was growing up (I was a kid then, in junior high school). If she was in my age group, I'd say she would have copped hell at school. Australian kids (no, wait, all kids!!) in her age group weren't even born then, so chances are that they'd no more know the significance of 'Azaria' than they would know about vinyl records.
Mind you, kids can be evil little feckers, you can bet your bottom dollar that one or two will figure it out. I'd hazard a small wager that it won't be wholesale teasing though.
I find your ideas intriguing and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.
I may not be Australian, but my first thought wasn't anything to do with dingos, but why you named your daughter after the brilliant Hank Azaria (the voice of Moe/Apu/Chief Wiggum etc. in The Simpsons, Phoebe's boyfriend David in Friends and so on).
So I'm weird, ok?
"I Know You Are But What Am I?"
- Slicing wrists: damage to tendons
- Slicing the veins in armpit: takes ages to drain the blood and it's really freaky to see that blood gushing out of you...
- medicines: risks of overdose or not high enough dose, plus the potential to really damage something if you survive...
- plastic bag: uncomfortable, takes AGES, plus you look like an idiot...
- hanging: asphixy is not a way I'd like to die of...
- bullets: if you can get hold of a gun (not necessarily easy outside the US), let's get real here, the chances of not dying after blowing your brains are small, besides if you're left in a vegetative state, what do you care, your real self,the thinking one, will be gone (which is what we're after)... Then again, plugging that trigger can be extremely difficult...
The best option I found so far is hydrogen cyanide.
The good thing about it is a gas and thus you only have to breathe it, that it is lethal at low doses, that you pass out nearly instantly (in some seconds) and if you somehow manage to fail, there are no consequences as it doesn't damage your brain, lungs, liver or anything else. Should be pretty pleasant, if you can get hold of it, but that's seemingly not easy. Otherwise it can be synthesized with ammonia and methane, but I've yet to figure out exactly how (building a flat bed reactor with Platinum-Rhodium catalyst sure doesn't look easy)
Finding a sure, painless method is not easy, and reading suicide HOWTOs on the net is more a deterent than anything else. The methods these sites claim to be good are often cryptic, and there seems to be an emphasis on the ones that are not a Good Idea(TM).
The other bad idea about suicide is that if you somehow fail (which is more common than being "successful"), others will look at you as if you have the black plague, AIDS and an extra leg...
Just consider life an interesting experiment, since you don't care anyway...
One shall speak only if what one has to say is more beautiful than silence
Emotions aren't rational, they're chemical. As immensely stupid as it might sound, if you're not eating properly, sleeping well, and getting exercise, that might be a good place to start.
You should probably mention your feelings to a therapist. The social stigma regarding mental illness is horrible, but you shouldn't let that stop you if you're not happy and you think something's wrong. They can also help with permanent chemical imbalances which are part of clinical depression.
It's hard to make that first step.
..not forgetting the blue rajah, master of cutlery. (mystery men).
It is NOT illegal in Australia to attempt/commit suicide (Believe me, I would know.). I believe what the government(However misguided) is trying to do is stem the tragic suicide of young people in mostly our country areas, where suicide is the major cause of death (after car accidents) for males between the ages of 18 and 25. Yes it is silly legislation, you dont need the internet to work out how to kill yourself. BJ