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Major Update For OED Science Fiction Project

ColdChrist writes "The Oxford English Dictionary Science Fiction project was last reported on here back in March 2004. The site has been redesigned and relaunched; the biggest change is that the OED's database of citations of SF words is now made (mostly) available via the website. The OED (a nonprofit organization) does not usually make its work available in this way, but OED has agreed to publicly open up this part of its database to acknowledge the great contribution volunteers have made to this project. That means that if you contribute a cite, it's viewable by everyone; see here for more details. Also, quite a few more words are being added from an internal pending list."

112 comments

  1. Update on Science Fiction by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    It still wont get you laid.

    1. Re:Update on Science Fiction by ackthpt · · Score: 1
      It still wont get you laid.

      Oh, I dunno about that. Even a horrible flick by the inventor of his 'religion' didn't keep John Travolta from scoring Kelly Preston and having a couple kids.

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    2. Re:Update on Science Fiction by MightyMartian · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Ah yes, $cientologists and dykes. These are the things Hollywood is made of!

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    3. Re:Update on Science Fiction by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      So who did you figure modded me down? A $cientologist or a dyke?

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  2. hoo boy by aendeuryu · · Score: 5, Funny

    I grok the pain his webserver is going to feel.

    1. Re:hoo boy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I grok the pain his webserver is going to feel.

      This particular webserver happens to belong to the Oxford University Press. We're talking one of the largest publishing houses in Britain here, and one that's attached to Britain's oldest and foremost university. I seriously doubt Slashdot is going to dent it.

    2. Re:hoo boy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, but it's not being run by the OUP IT department, it's being run by one of their dictionary editors who's a Perl hacker.

  3. Some Doesn't strike me as really Sci-Fi by ackthpt · · Score: 1

    Quite a few of the new additions are just compounds of existing words. I'd associate new addtions as concepts, like 'grok' for which there wasn't aready an equivilent.

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    1. Re:Some Doesn't strike me as really Sci-Fi by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 1

      Quite a few of the new additions, in fact the entire new additions page, seems to be down for the count. Quickest slashdotting EVER.

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    2. Re:Some Doesn't strike me as really Sci-Fi by ikkonoishi · · Score: 1

      Comprehend covers most of the meaning of grok quite well. The only part it doesn't cover is the destoying part.

    3. Re:Some Doesn't strike me as really Sci-Fi by magefile · · Score: 1

      Destroying part?

    4. Re:Some Doesn't strike me as really Sci-Fi by Retric · · Score: 1

      I know it's sad but my first thought was Grok = to drink (literal) but it also means to know as in "I know the location is 5 miles from here."

      Anyway, I always like the idea that to Grok meant to comprehend the totality of an object idea or situation such that you make it part of yourself. Thus when you eat / Grok someone after there death you symbolize not just your comprehension of who they where but you also add some part of what they where to who you are.

      PS: Anyway, I can't recall if the destruction aspect is literal or if it means you remove that which separates you from the object.

    5. Re:Some Doesn't strike me as really Sci-Fi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yes...the destroy part...as in, "i understand this thing utterly and completely both in its significance and fundamental nature and relation to reality. it is a part of me and i am a part of it. at the same time, i cherish and respect it in all ways. knowing it this way, i chose to remove it from our normative reality with full knowledge of the consequences and gravity of undertaking such serious action."

      of course, 'grok' is more accurate as it explicity means all of that and more at once and represents not all any kind of linear progression of though.

      *slapping my bongos*

      it just is, man.

    6. Re:Some Doesn't strike me as really Sci-Fi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      after there death

      "their".

  4. I hope that embiggens someones heart by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    enough to write some cromulent sci-fi.

  5. I think its time for... by dj245 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Google Dictionary. Coming soon from a Google Labs near you. With all the dictionaries out there, Urbandictionary, Technical dictionaries, Oxford English, Acronym dictionaries, and now this SF dictionary, its time for a good way to search them.

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    1. Re:I think its time for... by ikkonoishi · · Score: 1

      Google outsourced to answers.com
      http://www.answers.com/google

    2. Re:I think its time for... by PxM · · Score: 1

      If Google continues to support Wikipedia or even acquire it, then they might increase the support for Wiktionary. However, the answers.com thing they have set up is pretty nice since it brings a bunch of dictionary and similar references together.

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    3. Re:I think its time for... by ajna · · Score: 3, Informative

      This is already here in some sense: search on the query "define [term]" (or "d [term]" on Google SMS, all without the brackets and quotes of course) and you'll get a definition as the first hit assuming you spelled the word correctly.

    4. Re:I think its time for... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Can you post that comment again? Your faux-signature spam is only 10% of this story so far.

    5. Re:I think its time for... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Also, onelook.com has been doing the aggregate dictionary search thing for a long time.

  6. OED is not ready for /. by jephthah · · Score: 0

    i mean we're talking 3 minutes after the story posted.

    (en) Please come back later
    (de) Bitte versuchen sie es spaeter nocheinmal
    (nl) Gelieve te komen later terug
    (no) Vennligst prov igjen senere
    (fr) Veuillez revenir plus tard
    (es) Vuelto por favor mas adelante
    (pt) Voltado por favor mais tarde
    (it) Ritornato prego più successivamente


    1. Re:OED is not ready for /. by jephthah · · Score: 5, Funny

      and to top it off, they neglected to include Vulcan, Klingon, Romulan, or even Elvish in their multi-lingual Page Not Found notices...

    2. Re:OED is not ready for /. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      and to top it off, you negected to spell Elven right...

    3. Re:OED is not ready for /. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      or even Elvish in their multi-lingual Page Not Found notices...

      That's ironic, considering that elvish (along with dwarvish) was coined by an Oxford Professor.

    4. Re:OED is not ready for /. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It was flying for me when I first looked at it, and its really fast just now. Maybe you just got the address wrong.

    5. Re:OED is not ready for /. by dkalley · · Score: 1


      and to top it off, they neglected to include Vulcan, Klingon, Romulan, or even Elvish in their multi-lingual Page Not Found notices...

      Ungrateful lingua-fascists! How easy they forget a former employee.

  7. Lexicate Me by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 2

    Hey, OED: my Nemory entry is available for reprint in your dictionary, provided your "earliest citation" credits its Wikipedia entry.

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    1. Re:Lexicate Me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Chances this useless article will still be on Wikipedia in three hours: 1 in 100,000 and falling.

      Please, don't clog Wikipedia up with crap and nonsense. There's plenty of that on it already.

    2. Re:Lexicate Me by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

      Heh, you're the Anonymous Coward talking like some kind of authority. Though this does strike at the core of Wikipedia's credibility: who decides what is "crap and nonsense", and what is fact?

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    3. Re:Lexicate Me by temojen · · Score: 1

      Let's see... what does google say about "nemory"... Forums where people have mispelled memory (mostly referring to RAM) and google link farming sites for pharmaceuticals spammers. Looks like you just made it up.

    4. Re:Lexicate Me by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

      Unenlightened people think that nemories are "just made up" - some kind of "science fiction". Study the entry and learn the difference.

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    5. Re:Lexicate Me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You made up the word. If you believe the word is a "nemory" I suggest you seek psychiatric assistance.

    6. Re:Lexicate Me by cogitolv · · Score: 1

      From OED's web site:

      Throughout its history, the Oxford English Dictionary has been enriched by evidence contributed by readers. One hundred and twenty years ago, James Murray, original editor of the OED, launched an 'Appeal to the English-Speaking and English-Reading Public of Great Britain, America and the British Colonies' for words for the Dictionary. This appeal was relaunched in 1999 by the current editor, John Simpson . . .

      Obviously, OED editors haven't come across the new 'wiki' word yet.

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    7. Re:Lexicate Me by jpc · · Score: 1


      The OED is in a funny situation. It has always relied on volunteers (it may have paid a few of them something, but not much). But it has always had quite simple (if unjustifiable) criteria ie appearing in print for words (verbal doesnt count). So you can produce evidence for its words, although there are errors particularly with foreign words used in English where they mistake similar sounding words (I found a few but couldnt be bothered to report them).

      Wiktionary alas doesnt bother with citations, which is the main strength of the OED, showing historical usage of words, and often revealing far more than just definitions, as usage changes in subtle ways.

    8. Re:Lexicate Me by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 2, Interesting

      In linguistics, a neologism refers to a recently created (or coined) word, phrase or usage which can sometimes be attributed to a specific individual, publication, period or event. The term was itself coined around 1800.

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    9. Re:Lexicate Me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who decides? The people who don't have two pencils stuffed up their nose and their underpants on their head.

      Well... in theory anyway.

    10. Re:Lexicate Me by mrak+and+swepe · · Score: 1

      In my world, no-one 'decides': facts just are.

    11. Re:Lexicate Me by Wybaar · · Score: 1
      Sorry, they don't include quotes from non-printed sources. Quote from their How to Cite page:
      Please note that the OED is only able to include quotes from dateable printed sources, typically books and magazines, but also physical copies of movie scripts, dated programs from cons, fanzines, unpublished papers, etc. However, Web pages, E-books, Usenet posts, movies themselves, and similar sources can not be quoted directly. Web pages may have useful historical information that will allow us to track down print examples, or a prominent use in a movie may lead us to the script, a novelization, or the like, but we ask in general that you do not send in examples from this kind of source.
      Now if on that Wiki page you had a reference to a science fiction novel or movie script that used the word "nemory", they could use the Wiki page to track down that novel or script, but they wouldn't use the Wiki page itself.
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    12. Re:Lexicate Me by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

      If the OED continues to insist on that citation policy, they're going to drift apart from the language, and become irrelevant. I'd prefer disciplined expert commentary on English from the OED to cross-reference the transient pronouncements of sources like Wikipedia, but Wikipedia's natural distribution advantages will bury the OED if the OED ignores it. Live on paper, die with paper. As the OED itself is distriubted as bits, I expect they'll eventually find a way to cite documents of similar composition - or discredit their own authoritative publication.

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    13. Re:Lexicate Me by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

      In our world, facts are related to words describing, and therefore necessarily interpreting, them. Who decides whether the words are accurate to the facts?

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  8. No time yet by The-Bus · · Score: 1
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    1. Re:No time yet by Yeshua · · Score: 1

      To anyone who might know:
      What is the difference between
      The Meaning of Everything
      The Surgeon of Crowthorne
      and the book mentioned in the parent post?

      I'm quite a fan of Winchester works, but he seems to have sqeezed this topic a little too much...

    2. Re:No time yet by The-Bus · · Score: 1

      Not informed, so I will take wild, stabbing guesses:

      I first noticed that they had different publishers... Maybe for whatever reason he could change the title and sell it with someone else? I mean 'The Professor' and 'The Surgeon' almost have the same damn cover!

      As far as 'The Meaning' my guess is that Mr. Winchester spent a very long time putting together all kinds of information on the OED as he was researching for 'The Professor' and decided, "Hey, I'll write a book based on this too."

      Considering that the other two are not as popular or well-known I guess that these tomes were made for completists. Personally, I wouldn't mind reading more from the architectural side of 'The Devil in the White City' -- the serial killer thing was a bit overdone by the end.

      Of course, this is nothing compared to Michael Crichton whose books, for the most part, end in everything blowing up.
      State of Fear? Check.
      Prey? Check.
      Jurassic Park? Check.
      Congo? Check.
      Sphere? Check (I think). ..and the list goes on...

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    3. Re:No time yet by Surt · · Score: 1

      Isn't that how things just end in reality? I always thought his books were dull, but perhaps they're just too close to reality for me. All of my last 7 jobs ended when the site I worked at blew up. Is that just bad luck on my part?

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    4. Re:No time yet by Orthoepy · · Score: 1

      The Meaning of Everything is a history of the whole project of the OED. The Surgeon of Crowthorn (Professor and the Madman in the US) is just one small story about the OED. It's like the difference between a book about the whole Civil War and a book about Antietam.

    5. Re:No time yet by TommyW · · Score: 1

      The Professor and the Madman is th US title of The Surgeon of Crowthorne.

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  9. Damn by Yeshua · · Score: 5, Funny

    How are we going to maintain our separation from society (or should I say elitism) if anyone can just look up what the hell we mean??

    1. Re:Damn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They can look it up but will they pronounce it correctly?

      GNU, Gnome, LaTeX, Linux.

      "I use latex in nome on gee enn you liy-nicks."

      I've also had someone tell me they've got "so much oh-day wahh-rez they need a seekwell database."

  10. Wikitionary by PxM · · Score: 1

    If they want to really open it up, they should combine their efforts with that of Wiktionary

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  11. Heh? by FiReaNGeL · · Score: 1

    The site has been redesigned and relaunched; the biggest change is that the OED's database of citations of SF words is now made (mostly) available via the website. The OED (a nonprofit organization) does not usually make its work available in this way, but OED has agreed to publicly open up this part of its database to acknowledge the great contribution volunteers have made to this project.

    What did they intend to do with a private SF words database in the first place? It's not like they're doing anyone a favor by 'opening it to the public'... especially if its updated by volunteers...

    What would ANYONE do with a SF words database anyway? I'm confused...

    1. Re:Heh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      What would ANYONE do with a SF words database anyway? I'm confused...

      Do you know what a "dictionary" (as in "Oxford English Dictionary") is? It's kind of like a database of words.

      Guess what? There's a lot of words used in SF that aren't used much in other areas, or that have different meanings in SF. The OED wants to document the whole English language, and that necessarily includes the English used in SF literature.

      And you know what as well? A lot of SF fans like reading SF literature. So the OED thinks, hey, maybe we can save ourselves some effort by putting up this database and asking all the geeks out there to tell us what's wrong, what's missing, and where a word was used earlier than we know about.

      Makes a lot of sense when you know what it's all about, doesn't it?

    2. Re:Heh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A writer could check if his amazing new word was already invented and return to the pondering upon a new word if it was already in use....

  12. Sample contribution signature by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I hereby donate this citation to OED on the following conditions
    a. That OED acknowledges that it is in the public domain
    b. That OED makes this citation freely available on the internet as a single text file download

  13. Oxford? by tarquin_fim_bim · · Score: 0

    I don't see any links to this Jesse character on the OED site. Is this April 1st? Non-profit? OED? The company that sells dictionaries? Curiouser and curiouser.

    1. Re:Oxford? by jd · · Score: 4, Informative
      Oxford English Dictionary is printed, IIRC, by the Oxford University Press. British Universities have to walk a very careful line, when it comes to money, as they are considered in the same bracket as "charitable organizations" and "non-profit".


      Typically a University publishing house will charge for time, materials and other assorted costs, but not significantly more. Now, when you consider that these places don't have the kind of turnover of, say, Harper-Collins, O'Reilley, Haigue & Hochland, etc, but will need paper and printing systems of comparable or superior quality, it's clear that those costs are going to add up fast.


      There's also the matter that nobody cares that much if there's a whole load of typos in a college textbook - students are supposed to know what's meant, but a LOT more people are going to kick up a fuss if there's any typos anywhere in the Complete OED. That means you've got to get a small army of proofreaders. That probably adds to the costs, somewhat.

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    2. Re:Oxford? by Flendon · · Score: 3, Informative

      I don't see any links to this Jesse character on the OED site. Is this April 1st? Non-profit? OED? The company that sells dictionaries? Curiouser and curiouser.

      The homepage of Jesseword has his full name along with a link to the OED staff page http://oed.com/about/staff.html to verify the sites authenticity. Doesn't look like any kind of joke. Conspiracy theories should be better thought out and researched.

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    3. Re:Oxford? by 1u3hr · · Score: 1
      Typically a University publishing house will charge for time, materials and other assorted costs, but not significantly more. Now, when you consider that these places don't have the kind of turnover of, say, Harper-Collins, O'Reilley,

      Perhaps you're American and don't realise the huge number of academic books, not just dictionaries, the OUP publishes and sells in Commonwealth countries. They're one of the world's largest publishers, academic or otherwise.

  14. Wiktionary by PxM · · Score: 4, Informative

    If Google continues to support Wikipedia or even acquire it, then they might increase the support for Wiktionary. However, the answers.com thing they have set up is pretty nice since it brings a bunch of dictionary and similar references together.

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    1. Re:Wiktionary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wiktionary seems like a better solution too because what's to stop the OED from pulling the openness (or just shutting off) their current venture? They do, after all, sell access to the other dictionaries.

  15. Pity the rest of the OED isn't online by exp(pi*sqrt(163)) · · Score: 3, Funny

    Because then the person who contributed this story could see that 'cite' is a verb, not a noun. "Contribute a cite"! Ugh!

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    1. Re:Pity the rest of the OED isn't online by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Strange, OED is indeed online, and includes an entry for "cite" as a noun in they used.

    2. Re:Pity the rest of the OED isn't online by norkakn · · Score: 1

      Main Entry: cite
      Pronunciation: 'sIt
      Function: transitive verb
      Inflected Forms: cited; citing
      Etymology: Latin citare to rouse, call on, summon
      1 : to demand the appearance of in court : serve with a citation
      2 : to quote or refer to as a precedent or authority

      Source: Merriam-Webster Dictionary of Law, © 1996 Merriam-Webster, Inc.

    3. Re:Pity the rest of the OED isn't online by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because then the person who contributed this story could see that 'cite' is a verb, not a noun. "Contribute a cite"! Ugh!

      Yes, seeing that error makes my blood boil.

      As if it weren't already bad enough when someone uses 'quote' as a noun! Is it really so hard to spell 'quotation'?

    4. Re:Pity the rest of the OED isn't online by RobotRunAmok · · Score: 2, Funny

      Because then the person who contributed this story could see that 'cite' is a verb, not a noun. "Contribute a cite"! Ugh!

      D00d, the person who contributed this story is probably hard at work right now "architecting a Website" with another "knowledge-worker." Cut him some slack...

    5. Re:Pity the rest of the OED isn't online by hcsteve · · Score: 1

      The full OED is available online, if you're willing to pay $300/yr, or if you are affiliated with some institution which pays for it.

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  16. /. effect by Cprossu · · Score: 1

    [Scotty Voice]Captain, Their Server Blew Up, She Couldn't Take The Pow'r[/Scotty Voice] Although it is defiantly interesting, and for what it's worth (and the very few seconds i saw of it) I like it =)

  17. Words can't express it by topgeek · · Score: 1

    This is good news, but the people at the OED Fantasy Fiction project are really getting pissed at all the publicity that the SF project keeps getting.

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  18. MOD PARENT UP (#11895250) by temojen · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    See subject.

  19. Willy on Wheels! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I am the greatest troll of all time!

    All hail Willy on Wheels!

  20. You forgot to add one important point... by jd · · Score: 1

    The server operates using Block Transfer Computations on a positronic core.

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    1. Re:You forgot to add one important point... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That definition is incorrect. The reason machines couldn't perform block transfer computations is that the act of performing these computations alters reality and machines programmed to perform them will alter themselves in the process. The brain of a living being is somehow immune.

      In my defense, I haven't actually seen that many episodes of Doctor Who, but I did see this one and it was a particularly memorable episode.

  21. A pox on their house! by Lord+Kano · · Score: 1

    It didn't include the word jedi.

    On the plus side, it does include klingon.

    LK

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    1. Re:A pox on their house! by RobotRunAmok · · Score: 1

      It didn't include the word jedi.

      It's a science fiction dictionary.

      The fantasy dictionary is a different project.

    2. Re:A pox on their house! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      maybe they'll include jedi in their fantasy edition

    3. Re:A pox on their house! by Lord+Kano · · Score: 1

      "A long time ago in a galaxy far far away."

      Archaeology is a science.

      LK

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    4. Re:A pox on their house! by 1u3hr · · Score: 1
      "A long time ago in a galaxy far far away."
      Archaeology is a science.

      And The Lord of the Rings was in the Third Age (before the current Fourth, I believe), and Conan's Hyborian Age was about 10,000 BC. Doesn't make either SF.

    5. Re:A pox on their house! by bar-agent · · Score: 1

      The SF dictionary includes "geas". Therefore, it is an SF/Fantasy dictionary. QED. :)

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  22. science? or sci-fi? by pedantic+bore · · Score: 2, Interesting
    I always thought that words like "galactic", "airlock" and "core" were actual words, not science fiction...

    And terms like "megayear", "kiloday"; well it's hard to see why they need defining at all. Even though I'm a pedantic bore, it still seems overgeekly.

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    1. Re:science? or sci-fi? by cogitolv · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Of course galactic, airlock and core are standard english words. Perhaps, their meanings in a SF context, are what's recorded in a SF dictionary.

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    2. Re:science? or sci-fi? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The OED covers a lot more than simple meanings and pronunciation. It tracks the etymology and usage of words, citing them in context, so you can see how the word was used and the subtle changes over time.

    3. Re:science? or sci-fi? by c4miles · · Score: 1

      The OED is possibly the most geeky 'book' out there, tracking the development and usage of pretty much every word in the English language.

      The OED tracks the fact that these words ARE BEING USED, not the fact that they exist.

      In absolute terms, it is probably the single largest scholarly work in existence.

    4. Re:science? or sci-fi? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      well, for Galactic, look at the dictionary definition, and look at how it's used in the quotations on the site. The point is that the word gets used in these senses, in books read by millions of people, and so the OED wants to record the use of the word in that sense. And words drift from SF into other fields- look at "gas giant", "farside", "worm" for obvious examples..

  23. Broken link! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  24. Anyone know where 'tackymat' came from? by mikael · · Score: 1

    ... I've lost the name and author of the story, but still have the book which is somewhere in my collection of four boxes of second hand sci-fi books. The hard way is going to read every book again...

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    1. Re:Anyone know where 'tackymat' came from? by tomsuchy · · Score: 1

      the closest thing I can think of is the "Hawking mat" from Dan Simmons' "Hyperion Cantos"...

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    2. Re:Anyone know where 'tackymat' came from? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's a mat that can only travel above light speed, right?

  25. The Savior by doku_hebi_ryu · · Score: 0

    Must have definition of an Inverse Tacheon Pulse!!!

    Reconfiguring the deflector dish... We be pimpin'

    Doku

  26. Pull a MacGyver by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    a.k.a. 'Just MacGyver It!'

    I found over 300 references to pulling a MacGyver or just MacGyver it...

    To do a MacGyver or MacGyver a solution is to take small items and find a creative solution to a larger problem.

    The origin of the term is, of course, the TV show MacGyver where the main character would find creative solutions to problems using small items such as paper clips, chewing gum, and pocket lint.

  27. The OED is great, but ... by RealAlaskan · · Score: 2, Insightful
    The OED is great: it's the authoritative source for the meaning of an English word in some era.

    The OED was put together by a large army of volunteers, who laboriously found and copied out examples of the use of words over the years, researched the etymology, and mailed the information to the editor. The editors (the project took 71 years (or less than 50, or more than 100, depending on how you choose to count), and several editors died of old age along the way) would assemble the scraps of information into a coherent entry for every word which was ever used in written English.

    But, I think they're charging a lot for their dictionary, and I wouldn't donate any material to them.

    Oxford and Clarendon Press only paid for a small staff, and the vast majority of the gruntwork was done by the army of English and American volunteer philologists. The 12 volume reissue was done in 1933, and the main body of the work hasn't changed since then, though they do issue supplements. In short, they've long since recovered their costs, and any income from it is pure profit.

    It seems to me that the OED is something of a profit center for them. I would be happy to make contributions to a project which was making my free contribution freely available to all. If Oxford wants me to contribute to their cash cow, they can send me some of the cash.

    1. Re:The OED is great, but ... by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I have never understood why the cdrom OED is so expensive. Just to subsidize the paper edition, perhaps? If that's the case, the paper edition should be allowed to die gracefully. It's way too big anyway.

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    2. Re:The OED is great, but ... by ColdChrist · · Score: 1

      I'd like to correct the impression that the OED is a profit centre for OUP. The OED, and in fact all of OUP, is a non-profit, and the OED runs at a loss of millions of pounds a year, a loss borne by the rest of OUP. The amount charged for the dictionary only just covers the cost of distributing it (i.e. either printing etc. or supporting the Web servers etc.), but not the cost of having sixty full-time staff members and hundreds of paid consultants. The OED does also work hard to try to make the dictionary widely available, for instance by encouraging libraries to license versions that they can make available offsite to members.

    3. Re:The OED is great, but ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because most of the cost isn't in production of the physical volume, but in the labor of all the people that have to collect, organize, sort, and edit submissions. The difference between the paper version and CD version likely reflects the difference in production costs. The remainder is the cost of gathering the information in the first place.

      Information most assuredly does not "want to be free". Lots of it does its best to hide, and has to be painstakingly ferreted out.

    4. Re:The OED is great, but ... by CaptainAvatar · · Score: 2, Informative
      The 12 volume reissue was done in 1933, and the main body of the work hasn't changed since then, though they do issue supplements. In short, they've long since recovered their costs, and any income from it is pure profit.

      What ARE you talking about? The 2nd Edition was completed in 1989, at a cost of 13 million pounds, and they have been revising it constantly since then. See for yourself.

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    5. Re:The OED is great, but ... by 1u3hr · · Score: 1
      I'd like to correct the impression that the OED is a profit centre for OUP

      I'm not convinced. Perhaps you're referring to "The" OED only, the 24+ volume full thing. But OUP derives many smaller dictionaries from that text: the Concise, Pocket, etc, CDROM and online versions, and many specialised ones. If the bulk of the data collection is written off against The OED, then of course it's running at a loss. But the sale of all dictionaries, I'm sure, is making a nice profit. Everyone in my family has at least one Oxford dictionary; my father had a Pocket Oxford at primary school in the 1930s.

  28. Re:Pity the rest of the OED isn't free online by exp(pi*sqrt(163)) · · Score: 1

    You're right. It seems dictionaries are letting in the word 'cite' as a clipped version of 'citation'. They'll let anything in these days :-)

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  29. Re:Pity the rest of the OED isn't free online by Potor · · Score: 1

    It's the fault of that descriptivist disease running around university campuses for the last two decades. Someday a hard rain is gonna fall, and wash all the scum away ... .

  30. Google define: by FleaPlus · · Score: 1

    Try typing "define:" into google followed by whatever you're looking for.

    For example:

    http://www.google.com/search?q=define%3A+dictionar y
    http://www.google.com/search?q=define%3A+artichoke

  31. No, he was right. by Grendel+Drago · · Score: 1

    The Tolkien Elves spoke Elvish languages, though there was no one language they would have called "Elvish". They mostly spoke either Sindarin (the vernacular) or Quenya (the Elvish Latin---the ancient language). Dwarves spoke Khuzdul, but nobody understands it except the dwarves, since they're so secretive. And the Men spoke Westron.

    No, I'm not a real dork, I never managed to plow my way through the books. I just googled that up.

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  32. Somebody submit my favorite! by babymac · · Score: 1

    What?! No whuffie?

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  33. Why should their SF meanings be any different? by antispam_ben · · Score: 1

    Perhaps, their meanings in a SF context, are what's recorded in a SF dictionary.

    To be fair, there are many words that have very different meanings in different context, for a blatant example there's the scientific meaning of theory, then there's the creationists' "evolution is only a theory" meaning which confuses the scientific meaning with the layman's meaning, much more like a hypothesis in science.

    But when an [good] science fiction story takes a word from science, I see no reason to change the meaning.

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  34. Science Fiction Wiki by HooliganIntellectual · · Score: 0

    Check it out:

    http://www.infoshop.org/sf/index.php/Main_Page

  35. Google +glossary by antispam_ben · · Score: 1

    While I hadn't heard of the define option that others described, I've had excellent results looking for definitions of technical terms by adding the word glossary to the word in the search string - many glossaries are reurned with the word defined.

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    1. Re:Google +glossary by 1u3hr · · Score: 1

      Google's "define:" is okay for a quick definition, but One Look is the best meta-dictionary site: "6,189,689 words in 993 dictionaries indexed".

  36. When is a Phaser Rifle a a Phaser Rifle? by Blitzenn · · Score: 1

    I see a huge ptoential for problems here as different authors in the past have defined their own meaning for words. Some of the more common words are in the most peril. A Phaser Rifle in one context may be something completely different in another. Depending on the time the story waas written, I would expect that the definition would change to more closely match actual science. But if the Dictionary remains true to it's prupose, it will be categorizing the word based on it's earliest instance. I can see where the contents of this 'dictionary' could become jaded and dated. I think it would be more appropriately name a Concordance of Sci-Fi words rather than a dictionary.

  37. Opening up to acknowledge contributions by CarpetShark · · Score: 1

    I was thinking that if they want to open something up in order to acknowledge contributions, they should open up their dictionary site, since every word in it was a result of society's evolution, and nothing to do with them. But I guess that's too non-profit for some organisations, huh? ;)