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Apple's Dev. Tools Hint @ Dual-core G5 & Quad Mac
Eug writes "Apple just released a new version of its CHUD tools, which provides clues about dual-core G5s and quad core Macs (dual dual-core).
The clues include a reference to the 970MP, which is dual-core G5 with increased L2 cache. Also, there is now support for 4 CPUs, whereas previous versions of these Mac OS X tools only supported 2.
This likely means we'll see dual-core Macs by WWDC, and possibly quad Macs based off these dual-core chips by then too."
One reason for the interest in when the new models are coming out is price.
Sure the current model might be what you need, but when the new models come out, the older model usually drops in price - saving you a decent amount of money.
Even though Apple Computer's stock is pretty high in regards to the P/E ratio (ever since the iPod got the investors' interest), I still think it might be a good buy for the future.
They seem to be sort of like Google in that they are constantly experimenting with new ideas, and coming out with new products/services and business models.
Unfortunately, I didn't get in on either stock on the ground floor, and even though they went up pretty high now I think they both might still be great buys for the future. I recommended a relative get out of MSFT buy some Apple, and he took his Microsoft dividends and put it in Apple. It's stayed pretty steady since then but hopefully for the long term it will be going up, so I am vindicated!
Its like IBM in the 60s (boy I feel o-l-d) and the seventies, when all of the trade rags were committing acts of stochastic tittilation trying to perceive the direction that an elephant was going in from a point of view slightly below and in front if its tail.
/null/zero bit-bucket.
Apple is a live player and everybody who can't DO like to play at pre-guessing on ones who can as to what they're actually going to DO.
If they're right, they can claim guru-hood and if they're wrong, they bury the evidence in the
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Well, for one, why do people like to reada about Linux? people want information on the stuff they're interested in and since Apple is pretty closed lip about such things the only news are rumors. Two, Apples updates happen fairly less frequent than general updates in the PC world. With things less fluid, it becomes advantageous to perhaps wait a few weeks or months before makign a large purchase, especially for a business if you might get 25% preformance boost for doing so. Since the upgrade cycle is longer on Macs typcially, that means more work out of those machines for a longer time. Paying attention to such release schedules can pay off even if you are planning to get current models. If you find out that a new release is coming out, that usually means the current one will be discounted. While it's possible to a refund if the change happens very near you purchase date, sometimes it's less hassle to simply wait.
I am convinced thay have missed the boat until now. They need to make a PC crusher at the top of their line, something that is so much faster than any PC for creative work that no one would dare say any PC is faster.
They got a lot of attention and doubting when they introed "The World's Fastest Personal Computer" when they came out with the G5. What they need to do is actually make that come true beyond anyone's doubt, and then keep up with it. To hell with what it costs - if they sold those IIfx's for 10K back in 1993 they can do the same thing today but even better for far less money.
This time, make that boast true, and shove it straight down the naysayers throats.
New hardware is always insanely expensive. Unless you have really specific needs, it never pays to be an early adopter here.
If you need the processing power, just build a cluster of quite-new-but-not-spanking-new boxes. In this case, you don't even get the benefit of improving the performance of single-threaded programs.
Unless you really need the shiny thing to feel like a macho, you can as well wait until they get cheaper.
The creatures outside looked from Alt-Right to Antifa; but already it was impossible to say which was which.
You want a 3ghz dual core G5 and we're still waiting for the 3ghz single core version we were promised for last year.
why the obsession of fans with these rumors
Actually, it's in the definition of being a fan.
Plus they aren't INDUCING information.
They'ved DEDUCED information from publically available information from Apple.
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For one thing, some people are egotistical enough to want the latest and greatest thing. It may not be the smartest thing in the world, but it's very human. The longer you have the latest and greatest thing, the more ego satisfaction it brings you. So the optimal strategy is to buy the system when it first comes out and to hope that when you have the budget for it, something even greater will come out to replace it.
I have what was the lastest and greatest thing a year and a half ago: The PowerMac G5 2.0ghz dual processor system. It's been through a revision or two since then, but nothing earth-shattering.
You would be right about wanting to buy the system you need today, but if you already have a system that's working well, such as my 2.0ghz dual processor G5 I bought a year and a half ago, things are different. Do I want to get the 2.5ghz revision, or do I want to wait until it gets to 3.0ghz? This is particularly interesting since I do work that would enormously benefit from a quad-processor system.
So in this respect, rumors are valuable since they help us see ahead, even if through an Apple-created fog. Apple hates them because they want me to buy my 2.5ghz system today. At the same time, I had decided at the time the system was introduced that the small performance improvement probably wasn't worth it. So I'm stuck, but rumor sites give me something to look forward to.
Hope that helps.
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CHUD tools are most useful for testing products, but they happen to have some utility for those of us who want to tweak our computers at home. The latest release indicates that the developers have modularized the product and made it more adaptable when chips change.
What's likely happened is that Apple will get hot under the collar about the way these tools can inadvertantly indicate possible future plans. They used to release WWDC sessions on Quicktime CD's for free (back in 98 or 99). They used to not make developers sign their life away in non-disclosure agreements. They used to allow more access to developer docs, tools, and seeds to the dedicated hobbyist. Now these are all restricted because of leaks that have come from eager fans searching resource forks, out of context remarks, and misunderstood uses as "evidence of Apple's future plans".
If no quad processors are actually in the production pipeline, this rumor will be forgotten. If there is something that has been revealed by the Chud tools, it's more likely that Chud tools will be even more restricted and difficult to get hold of. Slowing down development as developers fear for their jobs for accidentally including a reference to a product they may know nothing about (e.g. Asteroid, a cpu number, a code name, etc.)
It's not like these strings tell you any useful information. Since Apple has a lengthy design, testing and production pipeline all it really says is we might have some new tech in a couple of years if it seems like a good marketing move. There's no pricing, case design, release dates, or anything marketing related in these leaks. In fact, since Apple is strongly dependent on a suprising and innovative marketing aura these leaks and speculations probably worsen that marketability.
One other example: the rumors sites have seen some "evidence" in seed releases that Apple will be making a push to release OS X on x86 chips. That may be the case, but more than likely they're confusing efforts to make a Window's user's transition to a Mac easier as "evidence" that Apple is moving to x86. All that happens is that OS X users will be disappointed that future releases don't run on the x86 line as their speculative "evidence" promised.
Get over the obsession with the rumors; you're only setting youreself up for disappointment.
People become addicted to Apple rumors because they tend to be first to market for a lot of stuff.
If you have an interest in where desktop computing is going, it's good to know what Apple's got in the oven.
You have to do a click-through NDA just to get the -current- version ( 4.0.1 ) of the CHUD tools, I don't want to think about where this guy got his clearly pre-release copy of CHUD 4.1.0.
Are there sites that show off pre-release Microsoft software covered by NDAs? Where can you get the unannounced plans for Intel's next big thing? Why is it that people don't expect Apple to sue their pants off when they report this stuff ??
Don't get me wrong, I'm big on freedom of speech, press, and just about anything else, but... if it was my company whose not-publicly-announced-plans were being outed all over the internet, I'd be pissed, and probably suing, if just to find the source of the leak and fire someone.
Clearly, Apple's not going to make too big a deal out of this, since it's info in an app that anyone can download ( after creating a free account and clicking past an NDA ) , but still... I certainly wouldn't put this kind of stuff up on *my* website without a sure way to keep the lawyers at bay. On the other hand, since the noted version isn't actually available _yet_, they might sue... maybe it wasn't going to go out until after Apple announced quad-processor plans. Given Apple's recent lawsuits ( and court victories ) in this area, I'd think people would be a *little* more careful what they blog, but I guess not. Eug looks pretty annon, I don't know what you have to do to get an EverythingApple blog going, maybe he feels that Apple just can't get to him. For his sake, I hope he's right.
In any event, it'll be interesting to see how long AnythingApple can keep this page up, and I am definitely keeping my eye out for a new CHUD update...
quad G5s?? Damn, I almost forgot to drool about that !! 64-bit number-crunching goodness!!
For several valid reasons.
It's not like they're promising some features they won't implement later and get people upset. That's the nice thing about rumors, if they're wrong nobody cares!
Some people hear all the hype based on rumors, and buy stocks in the company. Then the announcement comes out, people are let down because it's not as good as the rumor, and the stock price falls. A person with a chip on their shoulder could make a few strategic rumors with specific intent to devalue the stock. It has happened before.
The other reason is, as illustrated by the most recent incident, when people violate contracts that they entered into and release confidential information to media outlets. It's illegal, and the culprit deserves to be punished. Apple wasn't trying to punish think secret for spreading rumors, they were trying to find out who gave them the information to punish the person who leaked the info.
PS - Neither of these reasons have anything to do with Apple in specific, so save the fanboy comments (don't own a Mac) and the "What if it were Microsoft" hypotheticals.
Why do bored housewives care about what was on Paris Hilton's handheld ? Why is Michael Jackson's trial big news ? Who are Brad and Jen and why do so many people care?? How many people read US Weekly?!?
God help us, I don't know why, but reading tech rumor sites is the geek equivalent, what's so hard to understand? It beats doing actual work... I don't care what happens to hollywood celebs, and politics is just painful to watch, so reading up on my favorite tech is great entertainment. Probably a lot of the folks reading these sites are checking CNet and /. and google news as well. I know I am.
But by any standard, Apple is one of the more interesting tech companies out there, definitely one of the more unique ones, so it really shouldn't be hard for you to see why it's so popular as a rumor subject. Almost nobody is really checking rumor sites to make purchasing decisions. It's just our form of US Weekly.
is not it time for the Slashdot Apple desktop icon to be updated to reflect the current desktop line? i.e. G5.
Is that really the thing /. needs to work on the most?? I'm sure there are more important features of the site that could use some attention... but most important of all, what should the icon be? A G5 PowerMac? A Mac mini? A G5 iMac? An Xserve? I guess it should be a G5 PowerMac, but a Mac mini or G5 iMac might be the more common machine...
This is mainly because one of the first things Jobs did when he took over the company was shorten the inventory chain to make sure that there were precious few macs sitting on Apple-owned shelves.
When a new model is about to be released, they simply stop manufacturing the old one, and in a matter of days the old one is completely out of stock.
There have even been several occastions when Apple has run out of a specific model of laptop a week or two before its replacement was introduced.
Having vast stockpiles of inventory lying around is one of the things which was killing their profits back in the Dark Ages between Jobs regimes.
Information wants to be anthropomorphized.
This is not a rumor about another dual-core chip. There is no mention of a chip at all. Apple uses IBM chips,and, as you mention, "IBM has been doing it for a while."
This is about Apple's diagnostic and performance tools supporting more than 2 CPU cores. The implication is, whatever prototypes Apple's working on needs these tools *right now.*
Further, Apple is not much of a server vendor. XServe is great, sure, but it's not how Apple makes its money. You can bet that, if Apple's going 4-way, it's going to have 4-way desktops or workstations.
Windows XP, on the other hand, does not yet support more than two logical CPUs. So any dual-core chip used on an XP box would be by itself...a two-way box. 4-way or larger Windows boxes would have to run Server 2003. Windows Server is not usually blessed for use on personal machines. (Though plenty of people do it.)
So what's the point? The point is, four cores on your desk, not in your closet.