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P2P (More) Legal in France

A reader writes:"A french appeal court ruled yesterday in favour of somebody who downloaded about 500 movies, on the ground that those were private copies, and that he didn't redistributed them, and that a tax was payed on blank media. This sets the huge precedent that P2P is legal over there. For the details, apparently no distinction was made on the method used to download the movies (upload issues) and the famous EUCD directive was even used by the defending lawyer." You'll want the fish for this one, unless you speak French.

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  1. Opening phrase of the article by gowen · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Un internaute
    An internaut!

    That's a seriously cool word. Better than "web surfer" or "'netter". I say we port it to English immediately.
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    1. Re:Opening phrase of the article by fronthead · · Score: 5, Informative

      From the Wikipedia article on the English Language (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_language): "James D. Nicoll made the oft-quoted observation: 'The problem with defending the purity of the English language is that English is about as pure as a cribhouse whore. We don't just borrow words; on occasion, English has pursued other languages down alleyways to beat them unconscious and riffle their pockets for new vocabulary.'"

    2. Re:Opening phrase of the article by troon · · Score: 5, Funny

      This term is actually also in common use in Poland.

      ...except they spell it yntyrznyrczyt.

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  2. Here's the Google Translation into English by Hulkster · · Score: 5, Informative
    Would have been nice to have a direct link in the writeup, so here is the google translation into English

    Hulk SMASH Celiac Disease

  3. Re:Precedent? by AwaxSlashdot · · Score: 5, Informative

    Well, not really : we have a strong code already defined (Code Penal). But for new usages or not already defined cases, we uses precedent.

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  4. Blank media tax... by zecg · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Although in this I can see (see me not judging, merely observing) the trend of French trying systematically to piss off America, there is one interesting point - the blank media tax. If people who pay for it are not allowed to download movies and burn them on taxed media, then what is its point?

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    1. Re:Blank media tax... by badfish99 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      And if the blank media tax compensates the copyright owners for downloading, then it must also be compensating them for uploading, because you can't have one without the other. So if a country has such a tax, it should make uploading legal too.

    2. Re:Blank media tax... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      For those who do not live in France, a blank DVD in France costs on average 0.30 for the media and 1.30 for the tax.

  5. French music... by Masker · · Score: 5, Funny

    Well, this makes sense, right, because it's not French music anymore, it's freedom music.

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  6. A summary of the article by ites · · Score: 5, Informative

    Very brief:

    An IT student was sued by 17 movie companies including all the big names and their French distributors for downloading 488 movies over a period of years. He admitted watching them privately, with one or two friends, and sharing a few copies.

    The first court, and the appeal court, rejected a claim by the prosecutor for EUR 5.000 in damages (and 10,000 Euro interests and costs) against the defendant, accepting the defense's argument that under European Union law, all surfers (internaughts!) already pay a tax on blank media, PCs and blank CDs that covers their use of these material as consumers.

    The main point was that the student's use of the downloaded movies was personal - the small amount of sharing he did was not enough to classify it as "collective use". I assume that if he had shared the movies further, or shown them to a public audience, he would be liable for damages for those actions.

    The charge of "piracy" was essentially thrown out.

    Further this ruling would appear to affect all EU countries, though the French case will affect only French law initially - defendants in other countries will be able to refer to the same EU conventions.

    (Note that the EU conventions are not law per-se, but all countries agree to implement them in national law, so it comes to the same thing.)

    Lastly, this would appear to being EU into line with Canada as regards the legality of downloading media for personal use.

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  7. Finally Some Sanity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Private use is Fair Use.
    Copyright has been designed to protect the publishing and distribution rights so to make a copy for private use is "fair dealing"(UK) or "fair use"(US), the court clearly understood that this enhances the cultural richness of France.
    What is illegal is making counterfeit copies for gain or public distribution then you hurt the copyright holder.
    Now people listen to music and everyone listens to more music than they own, this encourages them to make more music and buy more music.
    Copyright was always intended to enhance the cultural richness of the Public Domain by encouraging publication and creation.
    It was never intended to create or support monopolistic cartels Practices.

  8. So how was he caught? by Nom+du+Keyboard · · Score: 5, Interesting
    So how was he caught? Downloading without sharing is a pretty quiet activity. You're not broadcasting your library - just your search list.

    He must have downloaded a few movies from the wrong sharer (i.e. copyright enforcer). But if those files were offered for public download (to trap the unwary), how can they be illegal. Hey, you offered them. Why am I in trouble for taking what you freely offered?

    Something is missing in this story so far, and I really would be interested in hearing what it is.

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