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AIM's New Terms Of Service

acaben writes "AOL has posted new terms of service for AIM, that include the right for AOL to use anything and everything you send through AIM in any way they see fit, without informing you. A sample passage: '...by posting Content on an AIM Product, you grant AOL, its parent, affiliates, subsidiaries, assigns, agents and licensees the irrevocable, perpetual, worldwide right to reproduce, display, perform, distribute, adapt and promote this Content in any medium. You waive any right to privacy.'"

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  1. Your AIM encryption options by Fourmica · · Score: 5, Informative

    1. Trillian. SecureIM, but Windows only.
    2. SILC. Open encryption standard, many *nix ports.
    3. JohnyTech. Windows encryption for a bunch of different IM protocols.
    That ought to get you started.

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  2. Re:Fine, then by Golgafrinchan · · Score: 4, Informative

    In Trillian 3.1 Basic: Open up your Connection Preferences for the AIM connection. Click on the Miscellaneous tab. At the bottom, check the following: "Activate SecureIM capabilities", and "When possible, make a best effort to automatically maintain a SecureIM session with my contacts." HTH.

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  3. Hmm.. Contradiction? by VexSky · · Score: 4, Informative
    The new statement, if taken in a "harmful" manner, seems to contradict their privacy policy, unless they intend to not "read" it, but simply mangle it, compile it, stamp it, then mail it to anyone they please....

    The snippet from the privacy policy (here) with emphasis from me:
    AOL does not read your private online communications when you use any of the communication tools offered as AIM Products. If, however, you use these tools to disclose information about yourself publicly (for example, in chat rooms or online message boards made available by AIM), other online users may obtain access to any information you provide.
  4. Re:Third Party Clients by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Actually, the new TOS specifically states that it only applies if you:
    1) Registered for AIM after February 5, 2005
    2) Downloaded AIM updates or software after February 5, 2005

    Unless I'm drastically misreading that, that means none of the terms apply to people who've been registered for more than a month or so and use a third party client.

    -ShadowRanger

  5. Re:Oooh, I'm shocked! by JonXP · · Score: 5, Informative

    Actually, all messages ARE routed through AOL's servers. Peer-to-peer traffic only occurs when you are a) doing a file transfer, or b) using AIM's DirectConnect feature. Therefore, AIM can see anything you transmit over their network, and that includes all messages as well as file names/sizes/etc for transfers (but not the actual files themselves).

    This is actually standard through virtually all Instant Messaging systems, partially due to the complexities of routing that NATs and firewalls introduce to the internet, and partially because client/server is just plain more reliable and easier than P2P.

    (This is from a guy that's done a lot of IM protocol observation/hacking/developing)

  6. It's time for Jabber by kg4eyf · · Score: 4, Informative

    This is precisely one of the reasons everyone should start paying attention to the XMPP standard. We shouldn't be trusting a corporate entity and closed standards with what has become a very viable form of internet communication. Just like the standards we use for http, ftp, ssh, and everything else, we all need to start supporting the standards for Instant Messaging too. It's time to get everyone we know off of AIM. And start showing them jabber. And those of us with programming skills need to contribute to the servers and clients to make the better and well known.

  7. Re:Third Party Clients by Mr.Progressive · · Score: 5, Informative

    You are drastically misreading that. As the date on the TOS is "February 5, 2004"

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  8. Re:Fine, then by ZephyrXero · · Score: 5, Informative

    The systray icon was finally updated with version 1.1.2 recently....full color and everything :)

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  9. Re:New Terms in A Nutshell by Iron+Clad+Burrito · · Score: 5, Informative
    More like "All your old news are belong to Slashdot"


    The following terms and conditions apply to all users who either registered for AIM services or downloaded AIM updates or software on or after February 5, 2004. AIM users who do not register for AIM services or download AIM updates or software on or after February 5, 2004 and are members of the Netscape Network will remain bound by Netscape's terms and conditions. All other AIM users are bound by the aol.com terms and conditions.
  10. Privacy Policy: AOL does NOT read IMs by jayloden · · Score: 5, Informative

    "AOL does not read your private online communications when you use any of the communication tools offered as AIM Products. If, however, you use these tools to disclose information about yourself publicly (for example, in chat rooms or online message boards made available by AIM), other online users may obtain access to any information you provide.

    Your AIM information, including the contents of your online communications, may be accessed and disclosed in response to legal process (for example, a court order, search warrant or subpoena), or in other circumstances in which AOL has a good faith belief that AIM or AOL are being used for unlawful purposes. AOL may also access or disclose your AIM information when necessary to protect the rights or property of AIM or AOL, or in special cases such as a threat to your safety or that of others.
    "

    The content referred to in the Privacy Policy is for posts in AIM forums and message boards and such, and the point of all that crap in the TOS is so that AOL has the legal right to copy and display anything you put in the forum worldwide, for as long as the forum/website exists, and you can't in any way sue them over something you post in the forum. It's NOT saying "we will read your IMs and reproduce and use them however we want". Please mod this up so at least some people read it and stop freaking out and spreading FUD unneccessarily.

    -Jay