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Reuters On Telephone Cultures

mamladm writes "Reuters has an interesting article about the Differences in Telephone Cultures between the US and Europe. It describes how the different regulatory frameworks have created distinct cultures on how telephones are being used in the US versus Europe. The article mainly discusses mobile phone usage, though."

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  1. Printer friendly. one page version... by Zocalo · · Score: 3, Informative

    ...here!. Not too hard, is it?

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  2. And the telcos had to learn it ... by foobsr · · Score: 4, Interesting

    ... already a couple of years ago when designing mobile phones (actually, they did quite a bit of market resarch on that - I participated (as a researcher)).

    CC.

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  3. Re:Revenue by Ironsides · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Perhaps the U.S. should look at how the Europeon Union did it. All the same standard = more money.

    Or perhaps it's 50% more people and a 400% higher population density.

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  4. Aha by chrispl · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This does a little bit to explain why my friends in the US often say "SMS? Whats SMS?".

    I just recently started seeing commercials for ringtones on American TV, while it seems like 90% of European TV commercials have been for annoying ringtones for years now! I find it funny that on the American versions of the "Jamster" (Jamba in Germany) adverts they have to have a short blurb explaining what an SMS is.

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    1. Re:Aha by LWATCDR · · Score: 4, Informative

      "This is not surprising. European technology is waaaay ahead of american technology. That's because the Americans are run by the bean-counters (because of the obsession with the bottom-line), who are never on the forefront of technology, while in Europe, people in charge have a more broad education than bean-counters who, there, are mere lackeys instead of the feared rulers they are in the US."

      I suggest you read the article.
      SMS has never caught in the US because it costs less to actually talk on your phone in the US than in Europe.

      From the article
      --Americans traditionally have paid to receive mobile phone calls and tend to be less free about giving out cell phone numbers.

      --American mobile subscribers get an allotment of minutes for a monthly fee and competition led to packages offering free nationwide calls nights and weekends.

      --Europeans buy more limited packages -- especially geographically. Despite investigations by the European Commission mobile phone companies in Europe charge as much as one euro per minute to send or receive calls abroad.

      Yea you may get to talk to anyone in your country but the countries are smaller than many states in the US.
      The article also goes on to talk about how much more profitable cell service is in Europe than in the US. Seems like bean counters to me.
      The Bottom line is in the US you get few "features" and less total coverage of the total country. One the plus you get a lot more geographical area as local and it costs much less per call to make actual calls. SMS is popular in the EU because it is CHEAPER then making a call. In the US SMS is not popular because it is MORE EXPENSIVE than making a voice call. Ring tones? Gee let me pay so I can have a song instead of a ring on my phone? This is a great leap forward? It seems to me that the EU customers are paying a lot more for phone service than the US customers are.
      Sure they have a bunch of added features "ohh... Ring Tones". But to actually make a call costs a lot more.

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  5. Of course! Different costs by redelm · · Score: 5, Insightful
    There are big differences in Euro & US phone usages, mostly driven by costs. US has had flat rate (fixed monthly pricing) in most areas. Euros have almost always paid by the minute (IIRC except *.fi). This slowed the adoption of dial-up internet, sped up cellphones & broadband.

    Old habits will die hard. I think Europeans will continue to use the phone for messages rather than as a surrogate for being there.

  6. Useless Features by ari_j · · Score: 5, Funny

    I know this much - I once saw a cell phone ad where the guys are at a restaurant and the one uses the pepper grinder built into his phone. Then the ad cuts in, with the narrator asking, "Want a phone with the features you need?" before breaking into a list of just utterly useless garbage. Games, ringtones, a shitty camera, etc. My only thought was that the pepper mill would have been far more useful.

    1. Re:Useless Features by Leo+McGarry · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Actually, you hit on the one thing that I would like my phone to be able to do that it doesn't presently do: More easily store data.

      I'd like my phone to appear on my desktop the way an external hard drive or other mass-storage device does whenever I get into proximity with my computer. I'd like to be able to drag files to it to copy them to the phone over Bluetooth. I'd like text messages in the phone's memory to show up as notes on the phone's interface so I can more conveniently do things like storing driving directions. It's possible to store memos on the phone now, of course, but it requires a program and it's a pain in the rear.

      And I'd like it to have a gigabyte of memory instead of 2 MB or whatever.

      I'd happily trade the games, the camera, the little Internet browser thingy and the ass-ugly interface "themes" for features like those.

  7. Well, Duh by Jameth · · Score: 4, Insightful
    An FCC report said American mobile users talk more and pay less than Europeans, citing it as "evidence that the U.S. market is effectively competitive" compared to Europe and Japan.

    But eight of 10 European Union residents have mobile phone numbers while only six of 10 Americans do.

    Wow, more EU residents have cells than US residents do. With the differences they're citing, it's no wonder, seeing as America generally has a better POTS than Europe. In the US, it costs just a little bit of money to have unlimited local and incoming calls on a land-line, plus it never has an error, ever, of any sort. So, it's not much of a surprise that the US has slightly lower cell uptake.
    1. Re:Well, Duh by Leo+McGarry · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I can't remember the last time I even saw a telephone booth, much less used one. Everybody has a mobile phone.

      (The six-out-of-ten figure the article quotes must count grammar-school kids, the elderly, criminals in prison and dead people. Because seriously, everybody between the ages of 13 and 60 has a mobile phone.)

    2. Re:Well, Duh by dr_canak · · Score: 4, Insightful

      In my experience,

      Land lines in the US are overwhelmingly crystal clear, regardless of when and where you call from. In almost all cases, bad quality is on the phone, not the phone line. I have no idea what the percentages are, but I think almost everyone has gone cordless these days and that's where you here cracks and pops, faded connections, and interference. It has nothing to do with the actual land line, at least not in 99.9999% of cases.

      And I also agree with the other posts to this thread, calling in the US is about as easy as it gets. It's the same no matter where you are. The only difference lies in whether you need 10 digit dialing to make a local call. But you ought to be able to approach any phone, any where and use it just like the last phone you used.

      jeff

    3. Re:Well, Duh by Wudbaer · · Score: 4, Insightful

      As I said, it's some time ago, 1995, to be specific (ok, long time in technology, but at least back then IMO the European land lines had a much better quality and were easier to use). I did several calls around NYC (Verizon) and in Massachusetts (?), both from pay phones and Motels. The quality of the pay phones was apalling ; the quality of phoning from the Motels not too bad but still IMO worse than you usually get in Europe.

      But what really drove me mad was this whole thing another poster described above "Welcome to *insert whichever long distance operator*. Please enter your major credit card or calling card number." *fighting with entering the card number* *wait* Depending on the operator: "The card number you gave is not valid. Thank you for playing." (back then either Sprint or MCI didn't take non-US credit card numbers, but amazingly not everytime but apparently depending on the geographic region you were in inside the US). So retry, this time trying to reach some other long distance operator using some prefix number, playing again the CC number game, getting thrown out of the system in the middle of the process for no apparent reason, lather rinse repeat. I really liked my stay in the US, but the telephone system really drove me mad.

      From phoning home in several European countries I was used to either just put in a half truckload of coins and phone away or getting a calling card that works troughout the whole country and not only for phones of a certain provider, dial my home number with the respective country prefix, and voila ! instant success.

      As said before, most likely it got better in the meantime, but back then it really really sucked.

  8. Re:Revenue by Eminence · · Score: 5, Interesting
    • Perhaps the U.S. should look at how the Europeon Union did it. All the same standard = more money.

    More money where? In corporate accounts or in people's wallets? Because the fact is that we all here envy American's cheap calls. I would love to call more, but I always feel the counter ticking in the background. And telco is a de-facto oligopoly all over Europe, with state owned companies in almost all countries and heavily regulated GSM operators who hardly compete since they know no new players would be allowed on the market.

  9. Well, that's the difference, isn't it. by Asprin · · Score: 3, Insightful


    "...The article mainly discusses mobile phone usage, though."

    Well, that's the thing, then, isn't it? In the US, dirt is pretty cheap and plentiful, so land lines and wires that require poles to by strung up everywhere have predominated where the relative scarcity of space in European and Japanese cities has forced a much higher adoption rate for mobile technologies.

    Tell me if I'm wrong, eh?

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  10. My view... by kunwon1 · · Score: 5, Informative

    I'm a born and bred American, lived there until I was 20. I've lived in Germany for the last three and a half years. I've made some trips back to the states, a few months here and there.

    In the US, for us common rabble, it's "Do you have a cellphone?" Whereas, in Europe, it's "What's your number?" Most people assume that if you're giving them a telephone number, it's your cell phone number. And they will not ask you if you are capable of receiving SMS, they will assume that you are. It is more common in Europe for someone to have a cell and no landline than it is for someone to have a landline and no cell.

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    1. Re:My view... by Wyatt+Earp · · Score: 3, Informative

      Just for some numbers, and I think it'd be good for the discussion if someone pointed to all the numbers, not me, I've got finals...

      http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geo s/ nl.htm
      Telephones - mobile cellular - 12.5 million

      Telephones - main lines in use: - 10.004 million

  11. Re:Revenue by Epistax · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You know, the population density argument can only be taken so far. Yes, South Korea has an advantage over the US in general for implementing a new system. It's not just population density there: the simply fact that it's small does the trick.
    Now move to Europe. If they are to implement standards as a whole, they need to reach all of the European rural areas, just how it hasn't been reached in the US. As the article explains, those areas have been reached there. Whether you're in no-mans land in Scotland, Spain, Italy, Germany, Malta, Lithuania etc... you're connected.

    Again my point is that population density doesn't matter much-- land area itself matters more. While a higher population in rural areas (high population rural areas?) would increase incentive for a company to spread there, that only matters so far. Every bit of land you don't cover, even where the population density is zero, will make you lose customers in the more populated areas. I'm from a rural area in Maine. I live in upstate NY. I did not buy a Verizon plan because it did not service my Maine location. Think I'm the only one? Nah.

    Oh yeah oh yeah. Poland too.

  12. Re:Enough Cell Phones!!!! by Benm78 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Actually, I wonder which technology uses more energy if you account for the infrastructure too.

    Digging and closing holes to fit many many miles of telephone wire will lead to a fair amount of fuel being used. Also, the copper wires have to be produced which is quite energy intensive too.

    I have no idea on the total energy and monetery requirement to operate a mobile vs a land-based service, but I do have a gut feeling that the mobile service will be cheaper to construct in both aspects.

    Of course, there is quite a lot of pre-existing landline infrastructure, but that will have to be replaced some day, and new infrastructure is also required when new areas are built up. If you'd have to start from scratch, the mobile solution seems cheaper and faster to construct... many emerging nations even skip most of the landline phase.

  13. Differences in phone culture by Underholdning · · Score: 5, Funny
    Here's a list of the biggest differences (I've learnt how Americans use the phone by watching hollywood movies):
    • Never say goodbye. Just hang up - the person at the other end obviously knows the conversation is over.
    • Always repeat what the other person is saying out loud.
    • Repeatedly taps the hook if the phone dies. "Hello!?" *tap* *tap* *tap* as if that will magically restore the line.
    1. Re:Differences in phone culture by The+Angry+Mick · · Score: 5, Funny
      You forgot:
      Dude!!! Guess where I'm callin' you from!!!
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  14. No news here... by Eminence · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's nothing new, all this has been well known throughout the industry for years. Two points that are missing from the Reuter's text are VoIP and Wi-Fi. Both phenomena are a direct result of America's (more) free market approach. And in both cases the explosion goes on in the US with Europe slowly catching on. It's overall cheaper to communicate if you are in the US then in Europe. So, dear Americans, don't whine, you've got a better deal anyway even without fancy ringtones ($2 each) or other stupid stuff like that.

  15. Re:Of course! Different costs by LurkerXXX · · Score: 3, Informative

    That's why in the U.S. it's been illegal for the telemarketers to call you on a cell if you also had a landline. They had to call the landline number. Now that we have a national 'Do Not Call' list for telemerketers, it's easier to give up your land line, knowing you won't get a bazillion telemarketing calls if you list your cell on the DNC list.

  16. Lousy article by MBraynard · · Score: 4, Interesting
    U.S. cell phones sputter and fail in an apartment near the National Institute of Standards and Technology in the Maryland suburbs of Washington, a U.S. agency created to set consistent standards, and in ranch houses in the Los Angeles suburbs. A land line is a necessity... Europeans can skip fixed lines altogether. Why bother? A GSM works nearly everywhere..."

    This has absolutly nothing to do with GSM versus other networks but with network coverages.

    Americans have made voicemail a way of life, where it often replaces the busy signal. A conversation can be supplanted by voice mail exchanges. Europeans often skip voicemail, although they have sophisticated versions. Their mobiles automatically send a note saying "1 missed call," and tell them who called. People call back even without a message.

    Funny, I've had a cell phone in the US going back to 1997 and this feature was on the first one I owned with AT&T. It was also on the second and third one I owned with Sprint, and the fourth one I owned with T-Mobile.

    --Americans traditionally have paid to receive mobile phone calls and tend to be less free about giving out cell phone numbers.

    This has less to do with the regulatory environment than with call screening and the consideration that if you are calling me on business, I'd rather you talk to my receptionist first.

    Overall, this article featured a few stats that could have barely populated the bottom right graphic of the USA Today Money section and stretched it out into a three page article. Fluff journalism strikes again.

  17. Bah... by Gruneun · · Score: 4, Funny

    Perhaps, you should picture the person on the landline sitting on a plastic chair, in an air-conditioned house, with the lights on. I, on the other hand, prefer to use my mobile phone only while sitting in a bird-sanctuary, on a weathered rock, warmed by the sun's rays.

    Besides, energy consumption shouldn't be nearly as great a concern as the process by which that energy has been generated.

  18. Re:Revenue by squiggleslash · · Score: 3, Informative
    You might want to take off those deely-boppers and put your Duran Duran singles in a drawer. We don't like in the 1980s any more.

    To the best of my knowledge, most member states have sold their telephone companies - certainly, the big ones (UK, France, Germany) have done so. Off the top of my head, I'm not aware of a country in the EU with a state owned telephone company - I'm not saying one doesn't exist, I just don't know of one.

    The "heavily regulated GSM operators" aren't that heavily regulated in most juristictions, and most countries have at least four nationwide mobile phone operators (two on 900MHz, two on 1800MHz), with 3G operators opening in addition to these. Far from knowing no new player could enter the market, most operators are putting up the auctions of 3G frequencies at the moment that's resulting in precisely that - new players being given an opportunity. The original opening of PCN (1800MHz) by the UK government in the early nineties was specifically to create an opportunity for new operators to emerge, and the rest of Europe followed suit.

    The situation isn't directly comparable to the US - I have a choice of about five or six operators where I live in Florida, but "nationwide" is still a relative term. Verizon, Cingular, Sprint PCS, T-Mobile, and Nextel (soon to become part of SPCS) would probably all describe themselves as nationwide (and would probably be the only US operators who reasonably could do so), but all have massive holes in their coverage maps, frequently omitting entire, relatively populous, counties while covering the neighbours. It's only because of transparent roaming and operators gobbling each other up we're seeing anything approaching usability in these networks. Sprint PCS is rapidly becoming a service network for operators like Verizon, Nextel and SPCS are merging, T-Mobile is a prime takeover target, probably for Cingular.

    Outside of that four and a half, there's a bunch of ultralocal operators who seem to live in some era where mobile phones are just cordless phones with a longer range, frequently covering single cities, for all intents and purposes aimed at an entirely different application.

    I don't want to suggest everything's great in Europe, it isn't. Operators in the US are generally now offering better plans. Much of this is because of the monetary culture that's different between the countries rather than regulatory. Europeans tend to be interested in spending as little as possible, resulting in large numbers of users choosing $20-30 a month "plans" (frequently pay-as-you-go) with very few minutes. Americans are more interested in trouble free/worry free usage, and have to pay for incoming calls, so tend to spend more, which gives the operators disproportionally more money after they've bought their infrastructure, so allowing them to offer more bundled minutes and features like unlimited calling.

    But that's entirely seperate from regulatory pressures.

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  19. Re:Enough Cell Phones!!!! by drooling-dog · · Score: 4, Funny

    That's why I try not to use my cellphone while I'm drivin' my Hummer...

  20. Suprised Me.... by Chi+Hsuan+Men · · Score: 5, Interesting

    When I studied aboard in Ireland (Spring, 02') I was absolutely amazed at how mobile phones kept people connected and governed most young peoples' social lives.

    Personally, I was very anti-mobile phone when I arrived there, but I was told that you really needed to have one if you wanted to be at all socially active. My first weekend there was a home stay with a family in rural Limerick (rural meaning they lived on a farm, had cattle, but no shower). The entire family had mobile phones, even their 10 year-old daughter.

    The flat I stayed in (with 6 other Irish students) didn't even have a land line, (ironically enough, it was wired for LAN; however, I was the only person with a laptop) everyone used mobile phones. The crazy thing was, they rarely actually TALKED to each other, they simply sent text messages back and forth. Most of their plans were pre-paid, so, to get the most use out of their Euros, they would simply text each other.

    The funny thing is, now that I'm back home and with a phone, despite my x amount of minutes a month for free and free "in calling", I still text message all of my friends.

    I guess I'm just proud of my l337 phone typing skillz I accrued while abroad.

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  21. talk is cheap by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This article is BS. It basically says "Americans get more minutes of talking for less money than Europeans, but don't use the call management features as well, because the US government has only recently started leaving telcos alone, while Europe's governments have meddled with their telcos". What does any of that have to do with the US GSM dropping calls all the time? How about the unreliability of US callerID, because there's no universal inter-telco standard?

    Consider the effects of US market saturation with landlines before mobiles appeared, compared to Europe's many "first time callers" without any phones when mobiles were first offered? How about Europeans many languages, in which people can more easily communicate with short SMS messages, rather than demanding interactive multilingual voice calls? Or the role mobile phones play in teenage consumer cultures, in car-hungry America vs. poorer teenage Europe?

    No, none of those answers would blame the government for interfering with culture. Some of them might even blame corporations for bad service! And when you get your info from a London telco marketer and an FCC PR flack, why would you bother to validate that solid-gold wisdom "from the horse's mouth"?

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  22. Arrrrg! Fear the /. dittohead! by gelfling · · Score: 3, Informative

    Uh dude, Europe the continent is pretty damn huge too and my family can use the same phone w/o roaming charges anywhere from Norway to North Africa from Spain the the Ukraine. That's about twice the number of people as the US or didn't they tell you that at Rush school?

    1. Re:Arrrrg! Fear the /. dittohead! by Buelldozer · · Score: 3, Informative

      Evertime any topic about $foo penetration comes up I have to bust out these same stats. It appears that they are not teaching you Europeans how damn HUGE the United States is!

      The whole damn European Union (post 2004) is less than HALF our size! You also have almost twice the number of people!

      It doesn't take a Mathematical Genius to figure out why Cell Phone / Broadband / Product DeJour penetration is higher THERE than HERE.

      Read the stats and get educated...or didn't they teach you how to do that in prepatory school?

      European Union Landmass: ~4 Million Square Kilometers (http://www.dfat.gov.au/ani/chapter_8.html)

      United States Landmass: ~ 9.6 Million Square Kilometers (http://www.mongabay.com/igapo/world_statistics_by _area.htm)

      EU Total Population: ~ 454 Million (http://www.optimumpopulation.org/opt.europe.html)

      US Total Population: ~ 295 Million (http://www.census.gov/main/www/popclock.html)

  23. Re:Enough Cell Phones!!!! by Seehund · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I have no idea on the total energy and monetery requirement to operate a mobile vs a land-based service, but I do have a gut feeling that the mobile service will be cheaper to construct in both aspects.

    That's my gut feeling as well. Which is why I wonder why GSM calls are (still) an order of magnitude more expensive than POTS calls?

    Just like CDs never became cheaper than LPs when the technology matured. And where's my damn flying car? ;)

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