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Metcalfe's Law Refuted

pdp0x14 writes "Cnet News reports on a powerful refutation of Metcalfe's Law (that the value of a network goes up with n^2 in the number of members). The academic paper is available at Southwest Missouri State University. Basically, the thesis is that not all the links in a network are equally valuable, so Metcalfe's argument that everyone can connect to everyone (n(n-1)/2 links, roughly n^2) is irrelevant. The authors propose nlog(n) instead, a much smaller increase."

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  1. Figures. by darth_MALL · · Score: 4, Funny

    Anything that can be refuted...will.

    1. Re:Figures. by Lord+Pillage · · Score: 5, Funny

      That's a lie and you know it!

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    2. Re:Figures. by Eryq · · Score: 5, Funny
      Anything that can be refuted...will.

      I think that opinion has been refuted.

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  2. Erdos-Bacon numbers, for example. by Masker · · Score: 4, Funny

    Everyone knows that having a low Erdos-Bacon number is more valuable than having a high one, so the proof of this is trivial. Oh, wait, computer networks? Never mind.

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  3. "Refuted"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful
    "Refutation" seems like almost as big an overstatement in this context as is the use of "law" to describe some wild-ass aphorism or a disagreement with it.

    It's not like "value of a network" is some precisely measurable quantity.

    1. Re:"Refuted"? by susano_otter · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Not only that, but isn't this actually a case of "potential value" (not greater than the total number of possible connections inherent to the network - Metcalfe's Law) versus "typical usaage patterns"?

      Networks are just like anything else in life. They have a maximal or optimal value, but most people don't bother trying to get full value out of them.

      If Metcalfe were to say "the average mid-sized sedan seats up to five people, for which reason I value it as a five-person car", these guys would reply "yeah, but most people don't fill all five seats in their mid-sized sedans, therefore mid-sized sedans don't really seat five people after all... pwn3d!"

      It's stupid. Metcalfe is talking about potential value. These guys are talking about typical utilization.

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  4. Andrew Odlyzko is godlike by Paul+Crowley · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's a shame the summary didn't say who the authors are. Odlyzko is a Very Good Thing - he writes intelligently about everything from cryptographic number theory to making academic papers freely available online. I've long thought that n^2 was too high - though n log(n) sounds a little low...

    1. Re:Andrew Odlyzko is godlike by Catiline · · Score: 4, Interesting
      No, I don't think the log scale wears down.

      After all, it's the high end of that curve -- e.g. the anybody-to-anybody connection of the 'net -- that brings us things like wikipedia and Linux. IMO, when you start reaching scales "beyond mortal comprehension" (or at least everyday life) the growth isn't as much being able to connect to more individuals, but being able to have more specialized groupings and network those.

      Even if the average person doesn't get very connected into the network, the value can still be quite high. Never forget the "Kevin Bacon" effect.
  5. It's harder than that... by Cantide · · Score: 5, Funny

    More like (n-k)log(n-k) where k is the frequency coefficient of That Big Dumb Guy Who Has Nothing Useful to Say.

    1. Re:It's harder than that... by yotto · · Score: 5, Funny

      More like (n-k)log(n-k) where k is the frequency coefficient of That Big Dumb Guy Who Has Nothing Useful to Say.

      Actually, would't that be (n-2k)log(n-2k)? Each big dumb guy who has nothing useful to say has to be talking to someone who would otherwise be productive.

  6. The real Metcalfe law by Rosco+P.+Coltrane · · Score: 5, Funny

    You can read this law like this:

    "hello, I'm Robert Metcalfe. I state that the value of a network grows exponentially to the number of nodes present in it. So the more nodes you have, the better your network. Oh, and incidentally, I'm the CEO of 3Com, a company that sells network cards..."

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  7. misattribution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    The link that the submission attributes to Southwest Missouri State University is actually at the University of Minnesota... (Not terribly surprising, given that Odlyzko is at the University of Minnesota!) Please correct the article accordingly.

  8. Example: AOL by suso · · Score: 5, Funny

    Number of members: Millions
    Value: Debatable

    suso.org website/email hosting, no disk space quotas and personalized support.

  9. Smaller Networks Win Out by MankyD · · Score: 5, Interesting
    The last paragraph makes a very interesting point:
    When two networks merge, "the smaller network gains considerably more than the larger one. This produces an incentive for larger networks to refuse to interconnect without payment, a very common phenomenon in the real economy," the researchers conclude.
    Assuming their research holds true, adding 100 computers to 100,000 computers is pretty worthless for a big network - they get only a small gain compared to their starting value. The small network, on the other hand, has huge amounts compared to where they started.

    It's common sense, of course, but worth taking note of.
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  10. In other news... by barfy · · Score: 5, Funny

    Powerful refutation of Murphy's Law! It has been determined that not everything thing that *can* go wrong *does* go wrong. Using the Apollo 13 mission as a case study, it has indeed been shown that only a small fraction of the things that could have gone wrong indeed did go wrong.

    NASA Scientists have now recast murphy law as, "There are a lot of things that can go wrong. Some of them might happen." Which, of course, shows that far fewer things go wrong than previously thought.

    Scientists predict that this will have no effect on the size or scope of any government project or agency.

  11. No need to go that far. by uberdave · · Score: 4, Informative

    Slashdot itself is a good counter-example.

  12. And what other "laws" will be changing? by Vancouverite · · Score: 4, Funny
    Now that researchers realize that the so-called laws of computing are not rigorously formed, what else will be subject to attack?

    Will we see Moore's law reduced to a log-based function as well? Will Brooks' Law be shown to be fallacious, leading to a large upsurge of temporary IT jobs? And how about Godwin's Law. Will we no longer have to fear the inevitability of Nazis or Hitler?

    What will this all lead to... nothing but anarchy. Anarchy, I tell you!

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  13. Annecdotal Support by VoidPoint · · Score: 5, Funny

    I was happily working on a project when my manager assigned two more people to the team, making us three in number. I'm John, I've got it all figurted out and would have finished the product. I now work with Bob. Bob talks too much. Always coming to me with silly questions and he never seems to quite "get it". I also now work with Tom. Tom is never available, he never answers his phone, and I swear he's cutting out at three on Fridays. I know you've been in this situation as well. We're a network, which I'd hardly refer to as peer-ro-peer. Our bandwidth may not be comparable to the study, but the general theorem is the same.

  14. Why call it a law, exactly? by Gothic_Walrus · · Score: 4, Insightful
    I was a bit confused about the story at first, and a quick Google define proved that I had reason:

    "A statement that summarizes the results observed in an experiment that is repeated many times by many different scientists. A scientific law is widely accepted as true or as a fact." -- Source

    "A general principle or rule that is assumed or that has been proven to hold between expressions." -- Source

    This can't be a law. It's been proven wrong, and unless I'm mistaken, it was never proven to be correct in the first place.

    Why use the word law, then? Is it a misuse of the word? Generalizing? An attempt to confuse stupid Slashdotters like me? :)

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  15. Isn't this the same Metcalfe... by Slartibartfast · · Score: 5, Insightful

    - who said that Linux sucks, and would die years ago
    - who predicted the Internet would implode... years ago
    - whose ego far outpaces his abilities?

    [Check old columns in InfoWorld, c. 2000, for details.]

    Granted -- he did some good stuff. But the truly good stuff he's done was so long ago that the only meaning it has in contemporary terms is a resume line item. Now he's just another VC talking head, with ego to match; to find that one of his "laws" doesn't hold water is about the same as saying that SCO's legal team isn't always on the level.

  16. Odlyzko's Arguments are Good by filmmaker · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Especially the section on Zipf's Law.

    Where I think Metcalf's Laws does apply is in an information network where no proprietary secrets exist. For instance, searching for technical documentation or a movie star's biography. In these instances, the value of the network, as measured by the immediacy with which one could obtain useful information by asking a question, is proportional to something on the order of n*n for n nodes.

    Consider the network the top 10 search results in Google for all possible queries. Let's pretend for a moment that Google wasn't polluted with Spam. In this case, each node (search result) is providing a substantial amount of value to the network, although no matter how small or targeted the group, Zipf's Law will be observable to a degree.

    Or consider if you had personal tele-access to every person on the planet and could ask any one of them a question at any time. Clearly here the value of the network is something on the order of n*n.

    Most or all of Odlyzko's examples presupposed economic interests or constraints.