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The Register Finds Fault In Turion Benchmark Setup
An anonymous reader submits "From The Register, it appears that AMD has joined Intel, ATI, nVidia, and just about every other hardware manufacturer on the planet in benchmark fiddling. The benchmarks for the Turion appear to have been compared using quite different systems - a 35 watt Turion 64 with an ATI GPU versus a 25 watt Pentium M with an Intel integrated graphics processor. Sadly, it appears the original benchmarks were too good to be true."
Isn't Battery Life the main reason one would pay a premimum for a Pentium-M? If you want a fast laptop with a shite battery, there's plenty out there.
But hell, in the desktop market they're kings, and everybody knows that. It's too bad they had to resort to benchmark fixing for a mobile processor.
Condemnant quod non intellegunt.
It's not like you can trust the PC hardware web sites any more than you can trust the vendors anyways. There's a high road? Where?? =P
According to the article, their laptop processor beat out the intel processor only by a 'small margin'. They have to release benchmark press releases, so, being a business interested in profit, they stack things.
They make some of the best chips on the market. Doesn't keep them from being 'just another business'.
A fair comparison of power use would include total power used by cpu+chipset+video+memory. I remember reading somewhere that AMD cpu doesn't need northbridge, so that may give it an edge in total power use.
I think you meant Acrobat you want to boycott, not pdf. Xpdf loads the document in a snap for me.
Real programmers don't comment their code. It was hard to write, it should be hard to understand.
So AMD and some other companies did some benchmarks with unequal systems. And?
It would certainly have been less misleading to use an Intel laptop with a similar video card at least, but it isn't like you are going to see these benchmarks on television ads or anything. I doubt any big buyers will care about benchmarks of pre-release products anyway.
Granted, this is rather shady of AMD, but it doesn't even approach the raw evil of, say, a company joining BAPCO and systematically removing all benchmarks in their Sysmark tool in which AMD wins. No, that would be unprecedented in this industry's history.
It's also noteworthy that TheRegister has a partnership with Tom's Hardware in the U.S., and some editors of Tom's have been noted as being overtly biased towards Intel, though Tom's itself seems to be getting better, having articles like the used to--real tech info rather than the sensationalized, poorly written crap which had infested my once favorite hardware site.
Granted, both AMD and Intel are "evil" for-profit companies, but something like an unfair benchmark hardly brings tears to the eye when you consider some of the staggering bullshit actions of the past.
What it all comes down to is preference--The Turion is going to be a 64-bit chip (isn't it?) with the benefits of AMD64 mode (most of which involve the fact that it has double the general-purpose registers in the chip, and not from the fact that those registers are 64-bits wide). The Turion will likely outperform the Pentium-M in most test, like the Athlon64.
The Pentium-M, however, will perform just fine thankyou, and will drain less battery power and thus be in cooler-running laptops with better battery life.
I'd pick the Pentium-M myself, since to choose a product based on anything other than overall effectiveness/price ratio set is usually either fanboyism or poor research.
Computer Science is no more about computers than astronomy is about telescopes. --E. W. Dijkstra
Look at the system specs yourself.
They are both absolute base systems that share clockspeed, memory and price.
It's not like we are comparing G4s to P4s here.
As for power consumption, had he bothered to actually dive into the whitepapers, he would find that particular Turion at 35 w while the Pentium M is 27.
No mention is made of the Turions available at 25w.
But he does mention the 9 watt Pentium M that runs at half the clockspeed taking it completely out of this class.
Mentions the 35,27 and 9 but not 25.
No, no, that might be a favorable data point.
Might as well be a Fox Spinner.
If voting were effective, it would be illegal by now.
One of the biggest problems the Register had with the AMD test setup versus the Intel test setup is that the AMD setup "had a graphics processor from ATI" while the Intel setup had "Intel's integrated graphics processor". It doesn't mention that the ATI video, the Mobility Radeon Xpress 200 series, is also an integrated solution.
. aspx?i=2269&p=18) Anandtech review of the chipset the the Xpress 200 integrated graphics debuted on. As expected of integrated graphics, it performs much worse than the lowest tier graphics cards ATI is currently making, the Radeon X300.
From the article, "An AMD spokeswoman insisted the company picked 'the most comparable offering from the competitor' that it could find, even though it didn't actually do that."
Well, AMD doesn't make any integrated graphics solutions, and the Radeon Xpress 200 series is one of the only integrated graphics options available. Benchmarks of the Radeon Xpress 200 can be found in this(http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc
AMD rigging benchmarks? Maybe. But the proposition that AMD did not choose the closest video to Intel's offering -- that it had availale -- is false.
The more sensational the report, the more hits the Register will recieve. It is ironic that while chastising AMD for fiddling benchmarks to sell more units, it fiddles with rhetoric to increase popularity.
(I type this at a Pentium M laptop, this is not AMD fanboyism)
The argument is that the wattage of the two compared CPUs was not identical, and therefore the results should not be compared.
Does this mean that it's "fiddling" to compare a high wattage Prescott core Pentium 4 with a lower
wattage Athlon 64?
Would it be "fiddling" if you matched laptop wattage overall? (The P-M needs more support chips after all). Would it be "fiddling" if you matched chips based on equal price? Would it be "fiddling" if you matched laptops based on equal weight?
No. The comparison of the chips is fair.. AMD wasn't being deceptive about which chips they were comparing. The price, weight, frequency, cache size, wattage, and instruction set support of both chips are not secret.
The Register is just making noise to get notice and readers.
1. AMD used a standard mobile chipset for it's notebook -- and ATI chipset, with integrated graphics. Then they used an intel chipset with integrated graphics. 2. It compared a 2ghz part to a 2ghz part -- it's a reasonable thing to do as an AMD sponsored benchmark. Still no fiddling. 3. The register author does a lot more speculating and throws a few w.a.g'es out there regarding battery life. They're trying to get mfrs interested in their new product. 4. We won't really know about battery life until we see fraternal twin laptops. IE: all other things being equal -- processor / chipset different. To be honest, I have no idea how it will turn out -- it'll be interesting to see. In short -- the author (dishonestly) takes a matter of opinion and presents it as a matter of principle. AMD vs Intel aside -- find some integrity buddy.