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Red Hat Fedora Core 4 Test 1 Now Available
krunchyfrog writes "The first test release of Fedora Core 4 is now available from Red Hat and at distinguished mirror sites near you, and is also available in the torrent. New features in Fedora Core 4 test 1 include previews of GCC 4.0, GNOME 2.10, and KDE 3.4, as well as support for the PowerPC architecture. Please file bugs via Bugzilla, Product Fedora Core, Version fc4test1, so that they are noticed and appropriately classified. Discuss this release on fedora-test-list. -- The BitTorrent link is already there."
Hopefully PPC works as expected. It's a shame that this platform is so poorly supported.
I hope they'll wait for KDE 3.4.1. The .1 releases have traditionally been translation releases (unless something has changed recently).
It's rather frustrating to do translations, and then notice that they are never packaged in some Linux distributions, because the packagers don't have patience to wait for the translation release. Other than English-speaking people use Linux too, you know.
Well, probably most of the translations get in time for 3.4, so the problem isn't that big.
With Linus now doing ALL of his work on the PPC, and that IBM is making a big move into Linux on PPC, do you think that it will see a massive investment in time? I do.
I prefer the "u" in honour as it seems to be missing these days.
That's hardly the big question now is it?
"It seems that there are a lot of people starting to defend the use of the debian package for the easiness of dependencies treatment"
It seems there are a lot of people who don't know what they are talking about. debs don't resolve dependencies, apt does, as does yum, yast, urpm for rpm distros. And guess what, apt is also available for rpm distros, so what exactly is your point here?
I don't understand why they haven't make a major change to the taskbar (the task panel). With the release of GNome 2.10, I eagerly downloaded to be disappointed by see it almost the same.
The task panel is used very often by users. I has to allow users to use the mouse to resize it. It has to keep the icon the same (user preference on this), not to expand them. A dedicated area for open windows and folders' icons and a dedicated area for quicklaunch items. Yes, you can say it should work just like windows That's not to say it copies windows, but that's how I think most logical to the users.
So, why they haven't change this? Probably the most used item on a GUI desktop.
"Your ignorance is astounding and complete" Thank you for the kind complement. You must be a really fun guy to be around.
"If these kinds of issues make them give up then they aren't tech fiddlers. Just common every day dime a dozen users who like to think they're tech inclinced. ie point and click monkeys."
Maybe they just have a life and have better things to do that spend hours and hours trawling the Internet downloading source, searching bug lists etc. for really simple basic problems that shouldn't exist anyway. When your installer tells you you don't have any hard disks you have a problem.
When I was installing it 2.10 wasn't out and the bug wasn't resolved. I had to revert to the deprecated driver to get it working. Later I had to edit the Kernel source, which got the SATA_NV driver working (now that would really really scare a point and click monkey) before finally 2.10 came out, which worked!
Point and click monkeys would also give up when their system just freezes up on booting as with my rhgb problem. At least with doze there is safe mode, and you can even revert to the 'last known good configuration' which I have seen get a system working again (once, I know it can leave your system in a bad way though)
"Next time you post make sure you have at least an hour of experience beyond the trained monkey stage and try to at least pretend you have half a clue. I doubt you'll fool anyone though."
Not even worth bothering to reply to this one.
Philip
Signatures are broken
By now everyone should understand what Fedora is all about. It is not a production distro, it is not meant for anything but getting the new stuff working and stable FOR a production release. Thusly the releases are going to quick and should not necessarily be an easy upgrade. The fact that you can upgrade from release to relaase if you don't break anything yourself with yum IS impressive, and requires extrodanary effort from the team.
Strong Work Fedora Crew!!! Very wonderful effort.
*.rpm or *.deb.
.deb. Apt can still do its normal great things using rpm formatted packages, so clearly the greatness comes from the tool, not the package specification.
Both of these things describe a specification for package file format. The file format specification determines the logistic layout and conventions used in the format of a package file, like header structure, byte boundaries, supported data types for given structure data, etc. The package format is purely data structuring, and actually has very little to do with packages.
It is important for people to understand that a file format specification has no tangible effect on user experience. A lot of people are confusing tools with formats.
Maybe it was a mistake for Redhat to call both their file format specification AND their userland tool RPM. RPM has never been a good user land tool insofar as features go. Apt if a great tool, as is yum, as are others I'm sure I have not used. Please realize, Apt, yum, rpm, all of them have nothing in common with the file format specifications, ecept that they follow specification when dealing with a file format as defined by the rpm, deb, or some other format specification.
So you love Apt or yum. Great. Apt does not mean
Personally, I have done a lot of (work)low level work with RPM packages. The specification is a good one, and well thought out. The documentation is horrible in my opinion, but the format is sound. Sound enough for the LSB.
To answer your question, RPM package distributions will never change to deb. There is no reason to, and doing so would mean a break from the rediculously late and political LSB.
If you mean when will RPM distributions start shipping with Apt, I don't know. You can use apt-for-rpm now in exactly the same way you would with deb files.