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Saturn's Moon Enceladus Has an Atmosphere

Dimentox writes "The Mercury News reports that the international Cassini spacecraft has discovered that Saturn's moon Enceladus has a significant atmosphere, NASA said Wednesday. The icy moon's atmosphere may be created by volcanism, geysers or gases escaping from the surface or the interior, the space agency's Jet Propulsion Laboratory said. Excluding Saturn's giant moon Titan, which was already known to have an atmosphere, it's the first discovery of an atmosphere on one of the more than 30 moons that orbit the ringed planet."

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  1. Enceladus has atmosphere... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    but, alas, lacks ambiance. We give it one star.

  2. Second First by LakeSolon · · Score: 5, Funny

    Excluding Saturn's giant moon Titan, which was already known to have an atmosphere, it's the first discovery of an atmosphere...

    Excluding the first it's the first? We have a word for that. "Second".

    ~Lake

    1. Re:Second First by aussie_a · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Excluding the first it's the first? We have a word for that. "Second".

      People tend to think that the second isn't important, so they like to make stuff the first. It is the first that this probe has discovered. Titan having an atmosphere has been known for some time, this is the first discovery of one of Saturn's moons having an atmosphere in quite a while. This is also what the article meant.

      So while your comment has been marked interesting, it's really not. It's pedantic more then anything.

  3. Nice discovery for the bad news by nsasch · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's really great news for the mission especially after the wind measurement tool didn't function properly at first. 15 more years, and there'll be a space craft at this moon.

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    1. Re:Nice discovery for the bad news by aussie_a · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Not necessarily. Is the surface obscured like Titan's? If not, then there isn't as much incentive. I think Europa would be much more important then this moon. Why not send a probe to Triton? After all, Triton may have been liquid for billions of years. It's also possible that Triton may have once harbored life (due to it once having liquid), and that if it did, such life would be COMPLETELY different to Earth's. That sounds more significant then Enceladus.

      Why this moon? Just because it's in the news today, doesn't mean it will be all that important tomorrow. Neptune isn't an impossible goal. We can send probes to places other then Saturn.

    2. Re:Nice discovery for the bad news by Rei · · Score: 4, Informative

      Not likely. The next craft to Saturn is undoubtedly going straight to Titan (the highest priority target in the Saturnian system - hence, Huygens), and that will take 10-15 years between design, construction, launch, and transit (unfortunately, Jupiter won't be available to assist spacecraft to Saturn again for a while). Without Jupiter, you either need a JIMO-style nuclear electric propulsion mission (expensive - JIMO was cancelled, darn them!), or need to accept 100-200kg payload, so don't expect many craft, either.

      Perhaps in a 20-30 year timeframe, but for now the payloads are just too small for the investment to justify a trip to Enceladus when we could always go to Europa if we want to study an icy moon with subsurface liquids.

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  4. It would be nice to link to the actual article by PxM · · Score: 4, Informative

    Link It should be noted that this isn't an atmosphere in the common sense. The air is continually created and lost due to internal sources and weak gravity.

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  5. Excluding.... by jbum · · Score: 4, Funny

    Excluding the more than 30 moons that orbit the ringed planet, it's the first discovery of a moon orbiting the ringed planet!

  6. I wonder what else we're missing? by cubicle_cowboy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I know this argument is getting old, but this is a good example why we should be spending more money on unmanned probes instead of high-cost, low-science manned missions like the space station. There's little reason at the moment to spend large sums of taxpayer cash on things that provide little benefit. Imagine all the probes we could be sending instead. A whole fleet of Cassinis, Voyagers, and Mars Rovers combing the solar system! Let the private industry (ie. the guys with Scaled Composites and maybe even Virgin ;) take the baton on manned space flight. Hopefully the private industry will find ways to lower the costs so that when we finally need people in space, it'll be practical.

    1. Re:I wonder what else we're missing? by QuantumG · · Score: 4, Insightful
      and all the research that needs to be done to make living in space actually possible is going to happen where? Frankly, if we're ever going to go to Mars, we need to learn how to live in space for extended periods of time. Even with our best propulsion systems it will take at least 18 months to get to Mars. During that time astronauts need to live in the ship. That makes your space ship a space station. So how in the world are we supposed to build a self sustaining space station that we can fly to another planet if we can't even sustain one in low earth orbit?

      Excluding the creation of some buck rodgers form of space propulsion the ISS is the best bet we've got for space colonisation.

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  7. Re:Where's the article? by aussie_a · · Score: 5, Informative

    It's right here. Why that page wasn't linked to in the first place is beyond me.

  8. Re:Well, for one thing by Rei · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The link says that it's made of water vapor, but doesn't give a density. It's interesting, because Europa (a seemingly similar moon - it has the same sort of wrinkled surface) has a *very* tenative (about 1/100,000,000,000th of 1 atmosphere) water vapor and oxygen atmosphere from the sublimation of ice and the breakdown of water from interaction with the solar wind.

    I'd imagine that this atmosphere is notably more significant than Europa's, or they wouldn't have described it as they did. And, with less solar energy at these distances, they're speculating that the source is from internal heating causing water geysers. That's really rather fascinating, when you think of it - now we know of another moon with a likely subsurface sea. The moon is a lot smaller than Europa, but it probably has more significant internal heating for its size.

    Plus, the saturnian system has a lot of interesting organics - Titan is virtually a drifting mobile organic chemistry lab in its upper atmosphere. Even neglecting Titan, there's the unknown dark organics on Iapetus, Phoebe, and in the rings, among other places.

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  9. All your base are belong to us? by Jugalator · · Score: 4, Funny

    The Mercury News reports that the international Cassini spacecraft has discovered that Saturn's moon Enceladus has a significant atmosphere, NASA said Wednesday.

    Not only that, but I bet there's an entire rebel base there as well!
    NASA should better send down a probe there to check it out.

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  10. Re:international? by BrianRaker · · Score: 4, Informative

    Actually, the Cassini project is a co-op by NASA and the ESA (European Space Agency).

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  11. Re:That's no moon! by pyrrhonist · · Score: 4, Informative
    That's a space station!

    Wrong moon. You want Mimas.

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  12. First Post! by psychgeek · · Score: 5, Funny

    Excluding the posts above, I *finally* have a first post.....

  13. It might. by jd · · Score: 4, Interesting
    If, under the surface, you have a cavern, or network of caverns, of sufficient size, which are 100% isolated from the primary atmosphere and where the composition of the air is non-trivially different, it would be possible to argue the case for Enceladus having two atmospheres.


    Alternatively, since gravity appears to be insufficient to hold the atmosphere in, if the northern hemisphere's atmosphere and southern hemisphere's atmosphere never interact (eg: there's nothing left of either by the time you reach the equator) then you could again argue that they should be considered distinct and not part of a single whole atmosphere.


    Of course, these are highly improbable, but this IS Slashdot.

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  14. Re:How unique is this? by jd · · Score: 4, Interesting
    The Gas planets have atmospheres. Well, if they didn't, they'd be a lot smaller.


    Europa has H2O in both ice and liquid forms, which is horribly unlikely at near-zero pressure, which means it almost definitely has an atmosphere.


    Any comet can be considered as having an atmosphere, whilst it is close to the sun and being frazzled. However, I think there are some who consider that cheating.


    Any object close to (or larger than) the size of Mars is going to have an atmosphere, provided at least one of the following conditions is met:


    • After the planet formed there was a liquid core capable of generating and sustaining geological activity such as volcanos, geothermal vents, etc.
    • Gasses or liquids start on the surface where the rate of loss into space is equal to or exceeded by the rate of replenishment. (Replenishment may include geological activity, meteorites containing suitable compounds, etc.)
    • After the planet formed, it encountered an atmosphere (most likely from a comet that didn't quite hit) that it could then capture and retain.
    • After the planet formed, it encountered the necessary compounds by actual impacts from cometary fragments, meteorites, etc.


    The gas giants can form either from a cloud that coalesces as per a rock planet, but never actually becomes solid, OR when a very large rock planet sweeps enough lighter material to build an atmosphere around it. Jupiter is now thought to be of the first kind, Saturn of the latter.


    There may be other ways an atmosphere can form, but these would seem to be a good start on a list.

    How can an atmosphere NOT form on a planet?

    • It started off with one, but
      • It escaped faster than it could be replenished (planetary spin too high, insufficient gravity and/or too high a temperature)
      • The source material or driving force used to replenish it ran out
      • It froze solid
      • It chemically reacted with something to become part of the surface
    • It didn't start with one and
      • There are no processes to generate one internally
      • There is nothing on the surface suitable and at the right temperature
      • It has never encountered suitable frozen material in cometary fragments that could supply one
      • It has never encountered free-floating gas molecules in sufficient quantity AND that is sufficiently massive to be captured and stay on the planet AND isn't moving fast enough relative to the planet to escape.

    I don't know what the odds are for any of these, but it would seem reasonable to suppose that 20-30% of all moons will have some sort of atmosphere, and maybe 60-80% of all planets do. We've not found many small extrasolar planets, so we can't tell from that. However, if you go by mechanisms, those percentages feel reasonable enough.

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  15. Re:We need spinning space stations. by QuantumG · · Score: 4, Informative

    Just in case you actually care. The reason spinning space stations don't work is called coriolis acceleration. Basically spinning results in horizontal as well as vertical acceleration. The vertical is what you want. The horizonal is what disorients and makes astronauts sick. Now, if you happen to have a really really big wheel you can reduce the effects of coriolis acceleration but yeah, you need all that mass. One solution to this is to use a tether and spin a small station around a very very long axis (like kms). That's great an all but 1) it doesn't work in low earth orbit and 2) if the tether breaks you've got a nice uncontrollable projectile there. Then there's the actual problem of getting it spinning in the first place.

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