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Lab-Made Fireball May Be a Black Hole

MoogMan writes "BBC News reports that a lab fireball may be a black hole. From the article: "A fireball created in a US particle accelerator has the characteristics of a black hole, a physicist has said. The Brown researcher thinks the particles are disappearing into the fireball's core and reappearing as thermal radiation, just as matter falls into a black hole and comes out as "Hawking" radiation." More information available from the NewScientist article (subscription required)."

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  1. Yet another milestone in my Earth Destruction Plan by daniil · · Score: 5, Funny
    Thanks to the devotion of my minions, I'm yeat again a step closer to fulfilling my Earth destruction plan (why am I doing this? Just for fun, you know...).

    Some time ago, I had one of my minions to compose a list of possible ways of destroying the Earth. Back then, he rated the "microscopic black hole plan" as follows:

    • You will need: a microscopic black hole having enough mass not to evaporate instantly. Creating a microscopic black hole is tricky, since one needs a reasonable amount of neutronium, but may possibly be achievable by jamming large numbers of atomic nuclei together until they stick. This is left as an exercise to the reader.

    • Method: simply place your black hole on the surface of the Earth and wait. Black holes are of such high density that they pass through ordinary matter like a stone through the air. The black hole will plummet through the ground, eating its way to the centre of the Earth and all the way through to the other side: then, it'll oscillate back, over and over like a matter-absorbing pendulum. Eventually it might come to rest at the core due to the resistance of the matter it passes through, but it'll have riddled the planet full of holes long before then. Then you just need to wait, while it sits and consumes matter until the whole Earth is gone.

    • Earth's final resting place: a singularity of almost zero size, which will then proceed to happily orbit the Sun as normal.

    • Feasibility rating: 2/10. Highly, highly unlikely. But not impossible.

    However, now it seems that we're a step closer to accomplishing this, so i might have him revise the list.

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  2. hmm by ClioCJS · · Score: 5, Funny

    Does anyone else think assassins should be called in to prevent this experiment from creating a real black hole that swallows up the whole planet in minutes?

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    1. Re:hmm by Rosyna · · Score: 5, Funny

      I think professors should be called in to teach you about black holes.

    2. Re:hmm by _Sharp'r_ · · Score: 5, Funny

      If so, if we could figure out how many d6 of damage the fireball is doing, that'd give us a good clue as to the level of the caster and thus about how many hit points they have.

      Useful information, you know.

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    3. Re:hmm by Josuah · · Score: 5, Funny

      And when we know how many hit points the caster has, then we'll know if Gordon Freeman can save us or not. As he's the only one qualified to shoot up a research facility.

    4. Re:hmm by srstoneb · · Score: 5, Informative

      I know there are a lot of jokes that can be made about the idea of building a black hole in a lab, but I just want to make sure people understand how not-dangerous a tiny black hole would be:

      Black holes do not "suck". Most people -- even most smart people -- have this impression that black holes suck in everything around them with some sort of unstoppable force. This is completely inaccurate.

      Black holes only influence things by their gravity. The force a black hole exerts on another object depends on their masses and the distance between them. Exactly the same as the gravitational force between any other two objects, black hole or no.

      The part that makes black holes weird is that they can be significantly smaller (as measured by their event horizon) than normal objects. So if you've got an object with the mass of the Sun, normally it's quite large, so the distance between you and its center is big, and the gravity can only get so strong. If you compress that mass into a black hole, though, you can get much, much closer to its center. If you're only a few kilometers away from the center of gravity of something with the Sun's mass, *then* the gravity will be really strong.

      When it comes to very small black holes -- especially the type that might be created by a particle accelerator, with masses far less than that of a single atom -- the mass involved is so miniscule that you'd have to get within femtometers or less before the strength of the gravity would even be noticeable.

      Now, *if* black holes were indestructible, eternal objects, then yes, even a small one would eventually pick up enough stray neutrinos to start growing, and could eventually become a threat. But, Hawking radiation takes care of that. In fact, the rate of "evaporation" of a black hole *increases* as the black hole shrinks. So micro-black holes would be very short lived, and, again, therefore not a problem.

      Here's the wikipedia article on Hawking radiation for reference.

  3. From the Article.. by blake213 · · Score: 5, Funny
    "This fireball, which lasts just 10 million, billion, billionths of a second"

    Euh? Does that make it 10 million seconds?

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    1. Re:From the Article.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      10 septillionths of a second is close to my attention sp...OOH, shiny!

  4. I for one.... by 2.7182 · · Score: 5, Funny

    welcome our new Kwisatz Haderach Blackhole overlord!

  5. By my calculations by suso · · Score: 5, Funny

    we should all know in about 4.2 minutes whether it is really a black hole or not. It was nice knowing all of you. Thanks for all the fish.

  6. Same as my stomach by dfn5 · · Score: 5, Funny
    the particles are disappearing into the fireball's core and reappearing as thermal radiation

    The same thing happens when I eat at Taco Bell, but no one has claimed my stomach is a black hole.

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  7. uh oh by BananaPeel · · Score: 5, Funny

    This sounds familiar....Pass me the crowbar

  8. Get the paper here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    The e-print of Nastase's paper.

  9. Re:Hmmm.... by LnxAddct · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Actually, at scales this small gravity is not the dominating force (thats from the article). A gust of wind would literally blow the black hole apart. Its actually pretty interesting from a research perspective. You can see how black holes work, throw something in, see how it comes out, etc... The only thing though is that in order to have some real fun you really do need massive blackholes because then you can warp spacetime and have well defined event horizons etc...
    Regards,
    Steve

  10. Not black hole, but the dual of one by Brane · · Score: 5, Informative
    I think this article may be based on a misunderstanding. The paper in question is here, with the title The RHIC fireball as a dual black hole (my bold).

    If I understand this correctly, the dual is meant in the sense of the "AdS/CFT-correspondence", which is a mathematical correspondence, or "duality" between a gravitational theory (which may contain black holes) and a "Gauge theory", which is the kind of theory that is used to describe quarks, electrons etc.

    The duality means that calculations on black holes may (possibly) be used to understand certain things about this "fireball", but it doesn't mean that the fireball is actually a black hole.

  11. Re:Yet another milestone in my Earth Destruction P by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 5, Interesting

    You will need: a microscopic black hole having enough mass not to evaporate instantly.

    Actually: You need one big enough to evaporate more slowly than it absorbs matter on its trip. Given the tiny cross-section of even quite massive black holes and high radiation rates when they're small, this is a moderately large - and extremely massive - object.

    The black hole will plummet through the ground, eating its way to the centre of the Earth and all the way through to the other side: then, it'll oscillate back, over and over like a might come to rest at the core due to the resistance of the matter it passes through, [...]

    As it absorbs the matter it also absorbs its momentum. If it absorbs any non-trivial amount of material on its way through it doesn't get near the surface even on the high point of its first half-orbit.

    [...] but it'll have riddled the planet full of holes long before then

    Except very near the surface the planet will have collapsed the holes as fast as they form.

    Also, it has to be moderately large by the time it gets to a near-stop at the core. While it's orbiting at about planetary diameter it's passing through lots of stuff. Once it's at the core it's depending on the pressure to push stuff to it. So it has to be big enough by then that the absorbtion from pressure beats the losses through hawking radiation.

    But even if it evaporates it will have converted a significant mass to energy. Do this enough and something that wouldn't detectably affect the planetary radius could cause a LOT of volcanism - at some geologic time later when the heat makes it to the surface.

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  12. Re:Yet another milestone in my Earth Destruction P by britneys+9th+husband · · Score: 5, Funny

    This is really scary. What if Al Qaeda were to get a hold of this technology? Could they use it to achieve their ultimate mission of destroying Western civilization? Sure, they'd take themselves out too, but there would be 72 virgins waiting for them in heaven, just like there were for the 9/11 hijackers.

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  13. Runner-up for Least Reassuring Disclaimer Award by The+Fun+Guy · · Score: 5, Funny

    "... it is not thought to pose a threat"

    I can't tell you how much better that makes me feel.

    Next you're going to tell me the possibility of a resonance cascade is extremely remote and that you're seeing predictable phase arrays.

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  14. Re:Yet another milestone in my Earth Destruction P by iceborer · · Score: 5, Funny

    If one did make it, there would then be 73 virgins waiting.