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Creaky Operating Systems Form IT Foundations

maotx writes "The Washington Post has an article on how aging operating systems are still widely used. The article states that "The research firm IDC estimates that of the roughly 514 million paid-for copies of Windows on desktops and laptops worldwide at the end of 2004, almost 21 percent were the aging Win 95, 98 and Millennium Edition releases." That equates to around 108 million copies being used."

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  1. Windows 3.11 by kyoko21 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Windows 3.11 for workgroups running TCP/IP and NCSA Mosaic. :-)

  2. Lets not forget by Anti_zeitgeist · · Score: 5, Insightful

    there are hospitals, companys, schools...etc that have ancient computer sitting around still doing random easy tasks. There is no need to update those computers...unless a larger load of work is needed to be done.

    --
    If it wasn't for C, we would be stuck using BASI, PASAL and OBOL.
  3. Inertia by spaeschke · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Does Win95 still access the internet? Play Solitaire? MineSweeper? MP3's (even on old, creaky Pentium I systems)?

    Then, quite simply, for most people who just want email and browsing it's more than sufficient for them. Same goes for a lot of small businesses. They don't need multi-Gigahertz machines or recent OS licenses. They just need something that will run their word processors, spreadsheets, and print docs.

  4. What a non-story by Dancin_Santa · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Yes, I know it's hard to believe, but not everyone is on the bi-annual hardware upgrade cycle.

    And if you think that the weakest links in the IT department are the computers being used, then you're part of the problem. Hint: the problem lies in the parts you can't upgrade.

  5. I used NT 4.0 for a long time because by Anonymous+Cowdog · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I used NT 4.0 forever because it just had such a workmanlike user interface.

    Actually, ObOnTopic, the most interesting thing to me about this topic is how easily Microsoft killed NT 4.0 by simply witholding support for USB. NT4 actually was, ah, very workable, if not workmanlike, except for that crucial missing USB connectivity in the later years.

  6. These work as well as they did when they released by Saven+Marek · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Remember these operating systems work as well as they did when they were released so why change?

    Windows 95 or 3.11 doesn't suddenly lose features when they become 5 years old. the analogy to 'creaky' isn't flawed. operating systems don't wear out or 'break' over time they just get found exploits for or don't provide newer functionality that might be needed.

    But you can patch them and do workarounds for their security problems that keep them every bit as secure as anything else new out there (maybe even more so!!!) and if you don't need newer functionality but just to keep doing a job then why spend money needlessly on something that doesnt need to upgrade and still works?

    I bet there are many of completely secure Linux 2.0 and Windows 95 servers and desktops in use by business that will keep doing the job they are needed to for years to come, maybe longer.

  7. Single app, single task - no need for newer OS by Alwin+Henseler · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Working in a call centre currently. No-name, don't want to risk getting fired ;-)

    The shop uses a single user, single task, DOS-based app. On some machines in a fullscreen DOS-box under Win95, on some machines even pure DOS. PentiumPro/Celeron era hardware.

    Ancient? Sure. Stupid? Nope. If I would run this shop, I'd use network-booted thin clients, power-saving LCD screens, and some small opensource system like NetBSD, with maybe some custom code on top of it.

    But this DOS-based setup isn't all bad: Windows may provide multi-tasking and GUI, but what's the use? If you run a single-user, single-task app all the time, DOS is good enough, and relatively stable. License-wise, DOS is virtually free, Win95 licenses should come almost free these days. With very limited selections to make, DOS-based menu's navigate as quickly or faster than any GUI. The system requirements to run this, make the hardware almost free as well. Sure it's old, but it works, and replacement hardware costs nothing.

    Win95 not updated anymore? So what? The hardware doesn't change all by itself, right? Insecure? Maybe, but that only applies if you connect it to networks outside your own control. I doubt these machines have internet connection (not sure though). Maybe you could wreck operations here with a floppy disk smuggled in, but likely you'd get spotted, fired, and made to pay damages. If you work here, why would you risk that?

    Drop something newer like Win2k or XP in there: massive upgrade of hardware required, license and maintenance costs skyrocketing with these bloated systems, and maybe a full rewrite of the known, working, and trusted app needed. Please point it out if you see any advantage in there.

    Yes, newer systems may provide nice functionality, but if you don't need it, upgrading just for the sake of upgrading, is stupid. Upgrade if it lets you do something you couldn't do before, or if it fixes a (potential?) problem you have. If not, leave it.

  8. aging operating systems are still widely used... by i.collect.spam · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "aging operating systems are still widely used"

    I'm pretty sure that the numbers will even further increase when Longhorn comes out with a working Digital Restrictions Management.

    There are already a lot of IT people that use win2k instead of XP because of several advantages they see in win2k.
    Those are not the people who don't care or don't know what they are doing and still they refuse to use the newest and shiniest MS OS.

    Besides that there is a undeniable trend towards F/OSS software even among Joe Sixpack users.

    So it seems more and more people will use old windows versions or a *nix OS instead of a new windows version in the future.
    Personally I think that is a good thing.