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Spitzer Telescope Discovers Planets Via Infrared

DirtyJ writes "Astronomers using the Spitzer Space Telescope have for the first time discovered two extrasoloar planets by directly detecting light from the planets themselves. Usually planets are discovered by indirectly inferring their presence from the wobble of star they orbit, but Spitzer has been able to directly detect these objects at Infrared wavelengths. Nifty conceptual images and videos are available."

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  1. Ob-Infrared-Ditty by Otto · · Score: 4, Funny

    Now the world has gone to bed,
    Darkness won't engulf my head,
    I can see by infrared,
    How I hate the night.

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    1. Re:Ob-Infrared-Ditty by ajs · · Score: 5, Informative

      Please, if you're going to snag the text, cite it:

      Now the world has gone to bed,
      Darkness won't engulf my head.
      I can see by infra-red.
      How I hate the night.

      Now I lay me down to sleep,
      Try to count electric sheep.
      Sweet dream wishes you can keep,
      How I hate the night.


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  2. Earth First... by RM6f9 · · Score: 3, Funny

    We'll strip mine the other planets later?
    If it weren't for the 2-minute delay between posts...

    Just don't feed the trolls (tt)

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  3. Hot Stuff! by billstewart · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Not only did they discover them using infrared, but one really interesting thing about this is that it's the first time that they've directly seen light from one of the planets they discovered, as opposed to previous discoveries which have only seen the light of the star being occluded as the planet passes in front of it. Really nice.

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  4. not discovered, but observed by heidi · · Score: 5, Informative

    the planets are not newly discovered. they were previously known, but not directly imaged before.

  5. And they call this science? by Mindwarp · · Score: 4, Funny

    If I were providing the conceptual images I would DEFINITELY have included more orbiting alien Death-Stars. Honestly, these conceptual artists have no imaginations!

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  6. Spitzer by someguy456 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Is anyone else interested in the techical specifications of the Spitzer? I hadn't heard of it till today...

    from About Spitzer

    The Spitzer Space Telescope (formerly SIRTF, the Space Infrared Telescope Facility) was launched into space by a Delta rocket from Cape Canaveral, Florida on 25 August 2003. During its 2.5-year mission, Spitzer will obtain images and spectra by detecting the infrared energy, or heat, radiated by objects in space between wavelengths of 3 and 180 microns (1 micron is one-millionth of a meter). Most of this infrared radiation is blocked by the Earth's atmosphere and cannot be observed from the ground. Consisting of a 0.85-meter telescope and three cryogenically-cooled science instruments, Spitzer is the largest infrared telescope ever launched into space

    1. Re:Spitzer by astrobabe · · Score: 3, Informative

      As someone who works who runs the Spitzer Helpdesk-

      Thank you for reading the documentation!

      And I'm a bit dissappointed people still haven't heard of us.

      We launched in August 2003 and have been in science operations since December 2003. We have an approximately 5 year operational life time though the IRAC instrument may still be useable with only passive cooling once we run out of cryogen.

    2. Re:Spitzer by CanSpice · · Score: 4, Informative
      Glad to see that the uninformed are still able to type. Kudos!
      Infrared pictures are just not as pretty as those made in visible light.

      Oh really?
      And all pretty cosmic phenomena Spitzer can see are also observable by the Hubble telescope.

      Not entirely true, as they operate over different wavelength bands. Spitzer operates in the mid- to far-infrared, whereas the longest wavelengths Hubble can view are in the near-infrared. Different wavelengths view different processes and different objects. Did you ever stop to think why there are different types of telescopes? It's because what's revealed in one waveband is invisible in others.
      That, and perhaps the fact that the revelation that starts are, indeed, hot, was not a groundbreaking enough discovery to move the Spitzer into the visible spectrum.

      This sentence makes absolutely no sense at all.
    3. Re:Spitzer by MattHaffner · · Score: 3, Informative

      Infrared pictures are just not as pretty as those made in visible light.

      I beg to differ. And I'm an optical astrnomer.

      Nearly all PR images released by professional astronomers (and many by amateurs)--especially NASA--are not "true color". Nearly every multi-color image you see is from multiple actual observations that are combined in an image processing program. How "pretty" you want to make them is partly dependent on how much time, experience, and (frankly) money you have to spend on them. Keep in mind that "prettifying" pictures does not necessarily make them better for the science.

      And all pretty cosmic phenomena Spitzer can see are also observable by the Hubble telescope.

      Absolutely false.

      Interstellar dust attenuates light, especially in the plane of the Milky Way. The survey project I linked to above penetrates much further than any visible light instrument can. And they only use 2 second integrations. Deeper, focused observations can detect distant gas and stars even better.

  7. article is DUI on the actual technique by OneOver137 · · Score: 4, Informative

    While they did discover them using IR, the technique was looking at eclipse intensity depth rather than direct observation. Good stuff though!

  8. Planet "X" by H_Fisher · · Score: 3, Interesting
    If this concept works in the long run, I wonder how (if at all) it might be used to find the "tenth planet" that some scientists think might be orbiting beyond Pluto?

    If and when the Hubble is updated, could this type of gear be added, or orbited in tandem, to allow both visual and infared examination of space? (IANA astronaut, so if this sounds stupid...)

    1. Re:Planet "X" by CanSpice · · Score: 2, Informative
      If and when the Hubble is updated, could this type of gear be added, or orbited in tandem, to allow both visual and infared examination of space?


      The Hubble Space Telescope already has infrared capabilities, just not at the longer wavelengths that Spitzer can do. The Near Infrared Camera and Multi-Object Spectrometer (NICMOS) is an instrument on HST, and it can go as long as 2.5 microns, whereas Spitzer observes from roughly 3 to 180 microns.
  9. The thrill of discovery by Webmoth · · Score: 3, Insightful

    In an age when scientists attempt to prove what they already believe, it's nice to know that there are still some who practice science for the sake of discovery:

    "We're back to square one," said Dr. Sara Seager, Carnegie Institution of Washington, Washington, co-author of the Deming paper. "For us theorists, that's fun."

    Ah, if we could all enter into an investigation with a blank slate free of preconceived notions, there's no telling what we'll find.

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  10. Re:That's no planet... it's a space station. by Patrick+Mannion · · Score: 2, Funny

    Well then again, it's a blue star. So... it shouldn't have that hard to detect. Damn she's hot, I'd love to get her in the solarsack.

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  11. IR temperature reading? by RealUlli · · Score: 2, Interesting
    From the article:

    The Spitzer data told the astronomers that both planets are at least a steaming 1,000 Kelvin (727 degrees Celsius, 1340 Fahrenheit). These measurements confirm that hot Jupiters are indeed hot.

    I wonder, what would be the reading someone would get from outside our atmosphere by looking at overcast sitting in the sunlight?

    Clouds are pretty good reflectors of visible as well as infrared light, afaik, so they should appear to be pretty hot...

    Regards, Ulli

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    1. Re:IR temperature reading? by astrobabe · · Score: 4, Interesting

      While clouds are significants sources of albedo, the Earth would still not appear very "hot" as our atmosphere is general is quite cool. A planned instrument for a Mars orbiter will likely contain a spectrograph which will be used to look back at Earth to give astrobiologists an idea what the atmospheres of extrasolar planets with life may look like from a distance.

    2. Re:IR temperature reading? by deglr6328 · · Score: 2, Informative

      already done

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  12. Further info on Spitzer and the extrasolar planets by astrobabe · · Score: 4, Informative

    Yes Spitzer has been in science operations for over a year now. These detections were made with the two imagers- IRAC and MIPS. IRAC is the shorter wavelength camera (the observations were done at 8 microns) and MIPS the longer wavelength camera (observations done at 24 microns). Both planets are approximate 1000 degrees Kelvin and are Jupiter class with respect to mass.HD 209458b is 0.68 times the mass of Jupiter and has a radius about 1.35 times Jupiter's. The second planet- TrES1 has a mass equal to 0.76 Jupiter masses and is 1.04 times the radius of Jupiter. (and I do work for Spitzer and knew about these discoveries about 2 months ago when they first came into our Helpdesk which i run)

  13. Not 100% true... by Pi_0's+don't+shower · · Score: 3, Informative

    Although there is certainly no debate about these two objects being extrasolar planets, it is not the case that they were DISCOVERED using infrared. They were known extrasolar planets that were imaged in the IR using the spitzer telescope. Incidentally, they are not even the first pictures of extrasolar planets, as there is a nice one here from September of last year, that was reported on slashdot.

  14. The ACTUAL DATA by cinnamon+colbert · · Score: 3, Interesting

    don't look entirely convincing, espcially in the second case

    http://www.spitzer.caltech.edu/Media/releases/ss c2 005-09/ssc2005-09a.shtml

    did anyone see how they discount things like solar flares

  15. Uh, that's not how they detect planets by StateOfTheUnion · · Score: 3, Informative
    I don't think that extrasolar planets are detected by occlusion of starlight. I think they are detected by the planet's gravity wobbling the star as the planet orbitx the star and exerts its gravitational pull. There are many sites online about this . . . here's one.

    From the site: There are two basic methods of detecting a planet's gravitational influence on its star:

    * Astrometric Detection

    * Radial Velocity Detection

    The first method - Astrometry - was hinted at in the previous paragraph. We observe a star and measure its position relative to distant background stars (hence the word "metric" in the name). As an orbiting body tugs at its companion star, we observe a change in position of the star. Measurements of a periodic change in position, back and forth, can indicate that something is possibly orbiting the star. Careful analysis of these measurements can tell us about the orbiting object.

    The second method - Radial Velocity - is a completely different kind of measurement, but relies upon the same principle. That is, gravity. As an orbiting body tugs on its companion star, the light from the star will experience a Doppler shift. If the planet pulls the star slightly away from us on Earth, the starlight will be shifted towards longer wavelengths and appear more red; pulled slightly towards Earth, the starlight is shifted towards shorter wavelengths to appear more blue. To accurately measure this Doppler shift, we chose a known spectral line and observe its shift from red to blue and back.

    1. Re:Uh, that's not how they detect planets by DerekLyons · · Score: 2, Informative
      I don't think that extrasolar planets are detected by occlusion of starlight.
      In fact... They are. (IIRC it was one of the first methods proposed to search for extrasolar planets, because brightness can easily be measured, while precise angular position is a Hard Problem.)

      Google on planet detection by occultation. Also, this links page has numerous links, and is part of the website for the NASA Kepler mission. (A probe designed to search for extrasolar planets via occultation.)
    2. Re:Uh, that's not how they detect planets by Lars+T. · · Score: 2, Informative
      This German article lists a number of ways to detect planets. In addition the two you mentioned, they have the Pulsar-Timing-Method which can of course only find planets around Pulsars, Gravitational Microlensing, and the Transit-Timing-Method . And occlusion of starlight IS an important way to find planets.

      Of course, you can always check this site for all extra-solar planets found, and method they were found with.

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  16. Re:It's About Time by WebHostingGuy · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I agree with the technology being there already. I think NASA was feeling the heat from amateur astonomers pointing their webcams at the stars so they decided to capture the headlines first. ;)

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  17. Re:Typo by NetFu · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Go ahead and mod me down, but how can it be "Insightful" to point out "extrasolar" is misspelled, but someone pointing out that the word "asterisk" is misspelled is a Troll?

    I suppose I'll be modded "Redundant" for pointing out what everyone else does -- that Slashdot moderation is ridiculously meaningless...

  18. In other news..... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    The inhabitants of a distant galaxy are complaining that their TVs keep changing channel for no apparent reason.

  19. Detecting different types of light by OriginalSpaceMan · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Couldn't a similar method be applied to detect unnatural light? Say... an alien NYC? It could greatly increase our efforts in finding intellegent life outside of our own. At least smart enough to make a lightbulb.

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  20. So what about names? by serutan · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Has anybody started arguing over what/how to name these extrasolar planets? They probably have cryptic alphanumerical designations like other celestial bodies, but I wonder if anyone has proposed any planet names?