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The Great Library of Amazonia

theodp writes "Amazon had a dream. To bring the world a modern-day Library of Alexandria. Apparently they had a second dream. To own the patents on it. Interestingly, fears of lost cookbook and reference text sales voiced by the Author's Guild are echoed in Amazon CEO Jeff Bezos's patent application for the Suppression of features in digital images of content and a9.com CEO Udi Manber's follow up Access to electronic images of text based on user ownership of corresponding physical text, which discuss how one might block content from viewers who have no proof-of-purchase for a book on file with booksellers."

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  1. Re:Yes, there's a reason by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    Yes, there's a reason why I don't buy anything from amazon.

    Pirahnas?

  2. Maybe I don't get it... by justkarl · · Score: 4, Insightful

    But it seems to me that if they were supressing images and images of text to people who didn't own a proof-of-purchase, it would defeat the purpose of having that information available.

  3. Stallman is not an alarmist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    At the time it was published, it was easy to look on Richard Stallman's story, The Right To Read, as dystopian hyperbole. It was easy to believe that he was writing about an exaggerated worst case that could never come to pass. Sadly, with each passing year it looks more and more like the only thing he was wrong about was how quickly it could happen.

  4. Re:Say it ain't so. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Companies generally don't do things just to be evil, they do things to make money.

    Design a system where honesty and ethics are rewarded big bucks, and you'll see companies fall all over themselves to be corporate saints.

  5. Re:I have decided that by Kainaw · · Score: 4, Insightful
    I am going to come up with the most ridiculous and obvious idea relating to computers and patent it, just to see if i can get something completely insane throught the USPTO. now, who wants to give me $350

    I tried. The response (a good 3 years later) was:
    1. Author did not use a patent lawyer.
    2. Author used the phrase "may be used", which could mean "it possibly not possible".
    3. Author used the phrase "it is possible", which could mean "it may not be possible".
    4. Patent refused.

    So, like the rest of government, get a lawyer. There's no room in there for common folk.
    --
    The previous comment is purposely vague and generalized, but all of the facts are completely true.
  6. actually, he is an alarmist by ClarkEvans · · Score: 4, Interesting

    and rightly so -- the world he writes about is very alarming -- and we are flirting with such a world. By calling him "not an alarmist" you're degrading those people who rightfully raise red flags. People who were right about bad trends that happened to take a bit longer than they predicted. Stallman was smart, he made his predictions far far off into the future (yet, a bit less than the term of a copyright...)

  7. The thing about Alexandria . . . by spisska · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The library of Alexandria was so extensive (and so important) precisely because they didn't do anything like this.

    Back in the day, any ship entering port at Alexandria had to declare any books, maps, written works, etc they were carrying as part the customs process. Anything that wasn't already held by the library was taken over and copied by hand, then returned.

    The library also allowed others to copy works that they held.

    The idea was that ships would create and add to star charts and other navigation tools that could be quickly (for the day) shared with other ships, who would then add their own observations. Everybody benefited, and the Mediterranian became a whole lot safer.

    The hoarding and guarding of knowledge didn't become popular in Europe until the Age of Discovery, when nautical charts and chronometer designs were the most closely guarded state secrets.

    Having all the books in one place (virtual or otherwise) certainly does make the knowledge more accessible for purchase, but locking down the contents is not quite what Alexandria was about.

  8. Re:DRM for text by AllUsernamesAreGone · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Okay, I'll bite. Now this is going to sound a dumb question, but I am serious and I want a serious answer.

    How, exactly, does any DRM system ever ensure that "it's the publics right being protected more than the copyright holder", given that the entire point of DRM is to prevent the public from using material in any way other than those dictated by the copyright holder?

  9. Allowing access to electronic version by yintercept · · Score: 4, Interesting
    supressing images and images of text to people who didn't own a proof-of-purchase

    Rather than saying that they block images from people who don't own a proof a purchase to saying that they allow you access to the electronic images of the text if you purchase from Amazon, then you get a completely different picture of the meaning of such a patent.

    Basically, Amazon would be able to give people who purchase through Amazon more than their competitors. When you purchase a book through Amazon, you get both an eBook and the book. While if you purchase through the quaint bookstore down the street, you get just the book.

    Giving both an ebook and a book when you purchase through Amazon.com, and using a patent to essentially block other dot coms from doing the same could really firm up Amazon's position in the book selling industry.

    This looks a little bit like the Beam It Up case that cost MP3.com its hide. MP3.com said that if you owned a copy of a CD, then that entitled you to add it to your MP3.com playlist. The record industry quickly extracted the soul from MP3 for its beam it up technology. I doubt the author's guild has sufficient power to extract Amazons.com's soul. First, the pirating of music on Napster made it easy for the RIAA to paint the punk kids using MP3.com as anarchists. Books are often purchased by staid and true baby boomers. There are even some Republicans who read books. Amazon.com is probably smart enough not to put their technology forward as something that will move the earth. MP3.com seemed convinced they were transforming the enire culture.