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Microsoft Partially Opens Proprietary XML Format

eschasi writes "Groklaw has an article up reporting that Microsoft is going to open up their XML representation of the DOC format in response to Massachusetts' demand for open formats. According to Groklaw there are some interesting caveats involved in the move. From the license: 'We are acknowledging that end users who merely open and read government documents that are saved as Office XML files within software programs will not violate the license'. While opening up the format even partially is a good idea, it's still a far cry from folks being able to write programs that create DOC-compatible files."

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  1. Opening? by wzzrd · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Mind you, this is - as I understand it at Groklaw - merely an opening to make GPL-applications able to read (not write!) government made (nothing else) documents, without interfering with MS patents. 'Open' might not be the best word for this...

    1. Re:Opening? by CDarklock · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I find it strange that they say "fully compliant". What if you create a document that is NOT fully compliant? Maybe that substitutes one tag for another? You'd probably need a lawyer to answer that question, but it's an interesting question.

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    2. Re:Opening? by mrchaotica · · Score: 4, Insightful
      You'd probably need a lawyer to answer that question, but it's an interesting question.
      And that very fact means it's not open at all...
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  2. The most important is reading... by vidarlo · · Score: 5, Insightful
    This at least gives us the right to our own data back, since we can then convert it to a more useable format. So it seems like we've won the first battle, but not the war!

    The right to own data was lost with closed format, since it did require a license to read something you might have produced yourself. For a private person, it might be sad. For a corporate needy of its archives of past correspondance, it can be catastrofal. That microsoft opens up their format for reading, and specifies parts of it, makes it possible to write software to convert this data to a open format, or index it and such. Therefor, we can still save in MS format, but have much-less tie in.

    I'm only wondering how far it goes, if it goes as far as to say that I'm allowed to make a non-MS certified opensourced bot that crawls my disk, and indexes office XML files... And what if a corporate does so, will they be allowed?

  3. Interesting Quote by Rude+Turnip · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "We are acknowledging that end users who merely open and read government documents that are saved as Office XML files within software programs will not violate the license."

    It seems that the ability for a citizen to read and access government documents should surpass all other interests, regardless of licensing issues. In other words, even if a government employee was boneheaded enough to save a document in a proprietary format, my ability access to the information in that document should be guaranteed no matter what, licenses be damned.

  4. Sneaky by danbond_98 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Ah, and once again Microsoft do what they do best: create a solution to a demand which doesn't actually solve the problem but your average politician can point at and say "they've cooperated". Bit like their server licencing and the judgement against them in the EU, it's providing a solution which is useless yet looks good on paper.

  5. Re:Keep DOC closed by SCHecklerX · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Yes, but allowing read-only access is great, because it is a win for the people. They can read their old stuff in word/excel/powerpoint, and then save it to a new open format. They can then ditch microsoft software entirely without having lost their work and without the need to spend endless hours reformatting a bad import.

  6. 99% open... by pgilman · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ...is 100% closed.

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  7. Re:What Open by hal9000(jr) · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I think that the reason it became so popular was the close file format.

    Whaaaa? Cart or horse, which comes first?

    Dude, Word did not get popular because of proprietary file format. Users don't give a rats ass about file format until they need to export/import from one to the other. That the file format is commonly used is a result of the programs popularity. Word got popular for other reasons such as aggressive marketing, aggressive pricing, aggressive positioning, feature richness, useability, blah, blah.

  8. Re:I'll never understand some arguments by m50d · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You forget one thing: it's not their document that people wants to read, it's the customers', just stored in their format. It's like the guy who built my house refusing to tell me what size bricks he used, so that I have to hire him to do all the repairs.

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  9. Re:Proprietary XML? by iabervon · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The relevant point of using XML is that it's a standard for serializing and deserializing structured data in a way that doesn't depend on the type of data. So it's an advantage in maintainability over their old binary formats, and makes it easier for different Office versions to be compatible with each other.

    The only benefit to them of XML being commonly associated with public standards is PR.

  10. Re:Proprietary XML? by SolusSD · · Score: 4, Insightful

    XML was designed to alleviate problems exchanging data between different formats. Using namespaces to define what different fields meant data could be exchanged by simply translating the namespaces. It is almost pointless, aside form being human readable, for microsoft to use XML if they are going to make it proprietary and not allow any other programs to read/write it. allowing readability of the format is one step forward.

  11. Re:I'll never understand some arguments by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    > Why does Microsoft have to open up their file format anyway?

    They don't have to. Let them keep it.

    On the other hand, I want the right to participate in my country's politics without having to pay the Microsoft tax. Hence, government must use open standards.

    I personally believe that government should avoid software that uses proprietary formats from the outset. Some people, however, believe otherwise, and they are lobbying for a compromise that will make it legit for government to use Microsoft software.