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Mapping the Mind

danila (Danila Medvedev) writes "'Gnothi seauton' was the precept inscribed in gold letter upon the temple of the Oracle of Delphi. The authorship of this famous maxim was ascribed to every great Greek philosopher, from Pythagoras to Socrates. According to Juvenal, this precept descended from heaven. It is immensely strange, then, that most people, including you, my dear reader, never really make the effort to 'know thyself.' The number of misconceptions, superstitions and myths that we spread about ourselves is indeed astonishing. Fortunately for you, someone else has already taken the time to understand you and present the results in entertaining, easily digestible, but at the same time scientifically rigorous format. Let me introduce Mapping the Mind by Rita Carter, an illustrated user manual to the software that runs inside our skulls -- the human mind." Read on for the rest of Medvedev's review. Mapping the Mind author Rita Carter, Christopher Frith pages 224 publisher University of California Press rating 10 reviewer Danila Medvedev ISBN 0520224612 summary Extensive illustrations drawing on the lastest in brain imaging techniques, along with expert text, makes this book especially imformative and a wonderful companion to other titles in neuroscience.

Rita Carter is a British medical writer. She was twice awarded the Medical Journalists' Association prize for outstanding contribution to medical journalism. The book gives a comprehensive description of our knowledge about the brain (as of 1998, when the book was written). It covers popular topics, such as the causes for optical illusions, the nature of the Mona Lisa's smile, the differences between the left and the right brain, between males and females, the mechanisms of drug addictions. It also delves into less popular subjects, such as the need for rationalization, the mechanisms of speech and reading, the "programmability" of patients with a lobotomy, the causes of face-blindness and many others. In fact, after finishing the book I can hardly name any aspect of the mind that the book didn't tell me about.

Throughout the book, Carter's descriptions invariably remain strict, rigorous and factual. The book doesn't make any empty claims about our minds, nor does it delve into controversies perpetrated by the uninformed. Everything written is always based on pure hard science, with references aplenty.

This doesn't prevent the book from being easy to read and immensely entertaining. Imagine the weirdness of thousands of clinical histories condensed into 330 pages for our education. The simplest way to understand the function of some part of the brain is to find a person in whom it is damaged. Here you have it all: A man who believed that copulating with the pavement was normal; the famous man who mistook his wife for a hat; Vladimir Nabokov and his account of synaesthesia; people with Fregoli's syndrome (who constantly mistake strangers for people they know, even though they realize they look totally different); chickens excited by Pink Floyd's "The Final Cut"; Nadean Cool, her false memories of baby-eating Satanic cults and her 120 different personalities, including a duck; and people with anosognosia, who refuse to realize their illnesses, such as blindness or paralysis. And what's even better, you will be able to find explanations for your own quirks and deficiencies. There are bugs in every program; your mind is no exception. It is an amazing feeling to be able to realize how your mind works, what makes you tick, what constitutes "you" -- why you feel, think and act the way you do.

The book is a treat for the eyes: the huge number of helpful, pretty illustrations makes it both easier to comprehend it and more pleasant to read. The numerous diagrams and brain scans illustrate every subject, showing which areas become more active when you have depression, which areas cause OCD (caudate), what causes eating disorders (faults in hypothalamus), the pathways activated during face recognition, etc. This helps dispel the illusion of our brain being an incomprehensible black box, letting you get a grip on the physical basis for thoughts. It's like ignoring the EULAs and looking at the source code for your mind for the first time.

The book consists of eight chapters. It begins with an introduction to the brain structure in "The Emerging Landscape," starting with an overview of the misconceptions of phrenology, and ending with a short comment by a neurophysiologist Horace Barlow, who explains the usefulness of a reductionist approach as a first step to studying the brain. The section covers all brain modules, the neural pathways and explains the evolution of the brain.

After we are through the basics, our journey around the brain starts. First, in the "The Great Divide," Carter explains the roles of the left and the right hemispheres and the corpus calossum -- the connection between them. Among other things Carter explains the alien hand phenomena, describes experiments that demonstrate that people whose corpus calossum have been severed exhibit two separate personalities, and touches the puzzle of left-handedness.

After that, we delve deep into the brain, into its more primitive part, the limbic system, which is responsible for our emotions. Then we are shown the nature of perceptions and how they achieve their meanings. After that the author breaks from the confines of the brain and explains the social nature of humans, and how language enables most of our social interactions.

Then Carter describes the nature of our memories. She explains amnesia and Alzheimer's disease, explains the amount of memory we have, and where different memories (such as procedural memory, fearful experiences, or normal memories) are stored. She describes H.M., a patient with most of the hippocampus and amygdala removed. His mind had no continuity at all; H.M. lost the ability to form most types of new memories, but he could form procedural memories and could learn some new music to play on the piano. Another man, after having a minor stroke in the middle of a family dinner, suddenly found that he didn't remember where he was, and no longer recognized the people at the table. He didn't do anything, though, and later told the doctor: "I felt quite happy being with them even though I didn't know who they were," and "they seemed rather an agreeable lot." We are shown why false memories are the norm, rather than an anomaly.

Finally, our most unique and advanced feature -- consciousness -- is explained. Carter describes the "working memory" model developed by Alan Baddeley, where images and speech-based information is held for short time in a cache-like space, while the "central executive" part co-ordinates the information processing. She demonstrates how complex programs can be easily triggered in patients with lobotomy. French neurologist Francois L'Hermitte once invited two of his patients, a man and a woman, to his home. He ushered the man into a bedroom without explanation. In the middle of the day the man saw the ready-to-use bed and immediately undressed, preparing to go to sleep. When a woman was let in and saw the rumpled bed, she immediately started to make it. Carter explains the illusion of the free will and its evolutionary origins.

She ends the book with the optimistic conclusion: "I believe one thing is already clear: there is no ghost in this place, no monsters in the depths, no lands ruled by dragons. What today's mind voyagers are discovering is instead a biological system of awe-inspiring complexity. There is no need for us to satisfy our sense of wonder by conjuring phantoms -- the world within our heads is more marvelous than anything we can dream up."

What does this book leaves the reader afterwards? It left me with the insatiable desire to immediately read it again, this time with a notebook and a pencil at hand, so that I do not miss a single fact, a single lesson, a single bit of truth about who I am. To me the book was perfect -- a unique combination of scientific rigor and entertaining writing. Each amusing medical account was always accompanied with a detailed explanation of the physiological basis for it and a handy illustration. It was complete, well-structured and accessible.

I think it was the best book (fiction or non-fiction) that I read in the past year. The only other book that approached it was another take on the nature of the mind - the amusing Permutation City by Greg Egan, which takes the technologically feasible idea of mind uploading and pushes it to its limits, exploring the philosophical and mathematical consequences along the way.

You can browse the book at Google Print. Please do so and then read it in full. Learning about yourself should be the top thing on your agenda, if you consider yourself an intelligent creature. And for a computer scientist or a programmer there can hardly be a more interesting subject than the most complex software application, written over the millions of years, an amalgamation of legacy features, sloppy code, perfectly optimized routines, special cases and the ever-harmful neural goto operators. "Gnothi seauton," and have fun doing it.

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  1. I do know myself by suso · · Score: 4, Funny

    As a matter of fact, I used to have a sweatshirt that said "Know Thyself" with a picture of Socrates on it. That was in high school. People read it and told me that was gay. Then I tried wearing it in college once about 4 years later. People read it and told me it was a cool shirt. Go figure.

    1. Re:I do know myself by Haydn+Fenton · · Score: 2, Interesting

      All aside, pretty much every single day since that story about the seemingly intelligent autonomous bots based upon the principles of ant paths, along with a couple of other similar observations I happened to find\read around that time, I've been inspired to write a piece of software that immitates intelligence (a 'chatbot' of sorts). But every time I think I should get started on it, I figure I'm not quite ready yet. My current ideas, which are already plentiful, may work ok in some situations I've thought up, but there's so many other possibilities I daren't even try to start yet.

      I think whether my wallet agrees with me or not, I'm gonna have to go out and buy a book, and since this story is here, and the book sounds promising, it'll probably be this one - I've been plagued by thoughts about how the mind works far too much since that story.. damn Slashdot.

      hanks, Danila. You may have just solved my little infatuation about the mind.

    2. Re:I do know myself by Reignking · · Score: 2, Funny
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    3. Re:I do know myself by Joe+Tie. · · Score: 3, Informative

      I had a similar experience quite a while back. My advice is both to do a lot of background research, and get your hands dirty playing around with AI as well. There's so much out there in neurobiology, theories about the brain, and actual artificial intelligence that one might easily become burned out in theory. Additionally it gives a good chance to make stronger correlations between biological theory and their application to AI. Of course easier said than done. Especially too since so often subjects shift and move in different tangents. Since that initial spark, in my case watching aibos playing soccer, I've found myself getting into such unexpected topics as psychology, sociology, and even religious history.

      If you're interested in a good book on working with AI, I'd like to recommend one that I finally splurged on a couple days ago. I won't really have a chance to sit down with it, but a brief skim and the source code on the authors website indicate it's one of the best books on AI I've been able to find yet. Artificial Intelligence A Modern Approach by Stuart Russell and Peter Norvig. It's $90, but you can find a low price edition printed in India for around $20 at half.com.

      Another couple which really fueled my enthusiasm early on are by Steve Grand. Creation: Life and How to Make It, and Growing Up With Lucy. While they're pretty short of practical application there's a ton of, to me at least, interesting theory. In the context of this discussion, he quite often devotes a chapter or two to human neurology as he considers how to go about any particular aspect of his AI or robot design.

      And I hear you about the wallet pain! It seems like every book I read makes me want to buy at least two more.

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  2. Mapping the average mind by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Input -> /dev/null
    /dev/random -> Output

  3. I read the first edition by farmhick · · Score: 5, Funny

    It was called Dianetics. ;^)

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  4. Coming soon on /. by janek78 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Google launches a new service the "Google map of your mind"! Find out what you are really thinking, zoom in on areas of interest, let your friends know where they stand in your mind! Only on Google, coming soon (beta).

  5. Also useful reading by Hentai · · Score: 4, Informative
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    1. Re:Also useful reading by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      To add to the list I would also highly recommend "How the mind works" by Stephen Pinker

  6. Easy! by Renraku · · Score: 4, Funny

    Mapping the mind is easy. Just find neuron #1.

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    1. Re:Easy! by SmokeHalo · · Score: 3, Funny

      The problem is finding neuron #1:

      You are in a maze of twisty little passages, all alike.

      I know...I'll just order the InvisiClues book! Maps are included!

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    2. Re:Easy! by Gunfighter · · Score: 2, Funny

      Just find neuron #1.

      Which is actually neuron[0].

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  7. Man who mistook his wife for a hat by selectspec · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Sounds similar to "The Man Who Mistook His Wife for a Hat" a book written in the late 60s (or early 70s) on the a doctors experience with patients with various mental illnesses. Excellent read.

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    1. Re:Man who mistook his wife for a hat by spacecowboy420 · · Score: 4, Funny

      "The Man Who Mistook His Wife for a Hat"

      I think my girlfriend has the same "problem", except she thinks my face is a bicycle seat. I really don't consider it a negative though :-)

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    2. Re:Man who mistook his wife for a hat by TFGeditor · · Score: 3, Interesting

      One of the more fascinating cases in that book was twins (autistic, I think) who communicated with each other in prime numbers. The doctor got some very large prime numbers from a book and presented them to the twins. They were fascinated, and nodded in sage agreement with a couple of the numbers, and became pensive and even sad at others.

      Amazing stuff. I'd love to know what those numbers communicated to them.

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    3. Re:Man who mistook his wife for a hat by TheWizardOfCheese · · Score: 2, Informative

      Sounds similar to "The Man Who Mistook His Wife for a Hat"

      No, it's not. The "Hat" book is an ad hoc collection of interesting cases (but you're right: it is a good read!) The book under review is supposed to be a coherent potted summary of the current state of knowledge illustrated by cases.

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    4. Re:Man who mistook his wife for a hat by OECD · · Score: 4, Informative

      Sounds similar to "The Man Who Mistook His Wife for a Hat" a book written in the late 60s (or early 70s)

      Do you mean The Man Who Mistook His Wife for a Hat by Oliver Sacks? That was mid-eighties. Great book, and it does cover some of the same ground as this one.

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  8. If you liked that... by mike260 · · Score: 5, Informative

    ...the 2003 Reith lecture was also rather good.

  9. Mind != Brain by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Reductionism is a limited approach to discovering the mind - it works when it works, but that's not always the case.

    I am willing to make a bold prediction - the abtract world of mental processes will never be reduced to the physical matter from which they arise. It's a one-way street.

  10. not suprising.. by ShaniaTwain · · Score: 5, Funny

    they were just being juvenal.

    1. Re:not suprising.. by rkmath · · Score: 3, Informative

      "they were just being juvenal."

      Oh please mod the parent up. There is the obvious pun on "juvenile", but the user also probably meant the stereotype of philosophers in some of Juvenal's Satires: philosophers = gay.

    2. Re:not suprising.. by nacturation · · Score: 4, Funny

      Gee thanks I couldn't possibly have "gotten" that oh-so-confusing joke without someone explaining it in every minute detail.

      Oh sure... you may have gotten the reference, but not all of us are gay enough to have studied philosophy.

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  11. I got to know myself this morning by Chuqmystr · · Score: 2, Funny

    ...in the shower. And last night before bed. And in just a bit here to some gixmodo gadget pr0n. Oh, wait, not like that? My bad. Time to zip up and skidaddle...

  12. Not exactly a Treatise by killercoder · · Score: 5, Informative

    Rita has certainly done a thorough job of covering the issue.

    If you want to know why she is wrong read this link..........a chapter by chapter (blow by blow if you will) listing of faults in her research and reasoning.

    http://human-brain.org/mapping.html

    1. Re:Not exactly a Treatise by efatapo · · Score: 2, Informative

      And your statement microscopic examination in critical reading should be applied a bit more sparingly is almost exactly what is wrong with science, that combined with Harpaz's commentary on why scientists are so conservative (in their science, not in the politics). Another interesting tidbit is his commentary on popular science (both books and news media) that take advantage of 'effectively lying by implication'.

      Additionally, here are some papers by a Y Harpaz found on pubmed (which he doesn't like, apparently):
      ---Direct observation of better hydration at the N terminus of an alpha-helix with glycine rather than alanine as the N-cap residue.
      ---Many of the immunoglobulin superfamily domains in cell adhesion molecules and surface receptors belong to a new structural set which is close to that containing variable domains.
      ---Volume changes on protein folding.

      Not that I'm saying I agree with everything Harpaz says...but I don't think he should immediately be written off as a crackpot. Quite a few of his points seem valid.

    2. Re:Not exactly a Treatise by Tablizer · · Score: 2, Informative

      This is criticism is interesting:

      [new imaging techniques make the internal world of the mind visible, much as X-rays reveal our bones.] This is simply false, for two reasons:
      [first] Resolution...The amount of details in brain imaging is similar to the amount of data in an X-rays picture of the bones. However, the phenomena under investigation, i.e. the mind and its mechanisms in the brain, are many orders of magnitude more complex, so the same amount of information tell us much less. X-rays can be made to give higher resolution, but that is not true for current brain imaging techniques, because they are all based on observing processes that are inherently low resolution. In particular, The 3D techniques, fMRI and PET, observe changes in blood flow, which have a very gross resolution....


      They are not following what is going on at the neuron level, but only a "region" level. The thought processes at the neuron level is still a mystery. Only a few simple things have been traced at the neuron level.

  13. Can't help but wonder... by ReverendLoki · · Score: 4, Funny
    It's like ignoring the EULAs and looking at the source code for your mind for the first time.

    So, just what sort of licensing scheme would the average mind have anyways?

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  14. Slightly Misleading by mr.newt · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The review leaves one with the impression that this Rita Carter person explains more in this book than scientists actually know. Let me save everyone the suspense and say that no, she doesn't.

    For instance, "explaining Alzheimer's" is an extremely misleading statement. She might explain what we currently know about Alzheimer's, but that is sadly little.

    I'm not saying the book is no good (how should I know?), just that the review is a little misleading.

    1. Re:Slightly Misleading by selectspec · · Score: 5, Informative
      from a book review on Amazon:

      Unfortunately, like the vast majority of modern psychology and neuroscience texts, this book suffers from the gravest of metaphysical mistakes--namely the egregiously reductionistic approach known variously as scientific materialism, positivism, physicalism, scientism, and material monism. The first line of the book summary says it all: "Today a brain scan reveals our thoughts, moods, and memories as clearly as an X-ray reveals our bones. We can actually observe a person's brain registering a joke or experiencing a painful memory." The fallacy in the first sentence should be obvious. There is absolutely no empirical device that reveals the specific content of thoughts, moods, or memories. No EEG, EOG, EMG, PET, CAT, or MRI will tell you what I'm thinking or feeling. They might tell you _that_ I'm thinking, but not _what_ I'm thinking. No empirical procedure can determine whether I'm thinking about picking up litter on Earth Day or planning a local bank heist. Thoughts, moods, and memories are _not_ revealed by a brain scan as clearly as an X-ray reveals bones. They aren't revealed at all! Thoughts, moods, and memories--unlike bones--are not physical, empirical quantities. They don't have simple location in the physical worldspace. What a brain scan detects, rather, is the objective _correlate_ of a subjective experience. A brain scan will show you what parts of the brain are involved in the experience of thinking and feeling; a brain scan will not, however, tell you the nature or content of those thoughts and feelings. What a brain scan reveals is electrochemical activity in a physical organ, not anything remotely resembling "thoughts" or "moods." To simply reduce conscious experience to brain activity is to completely obliterate it: thoughts and feelings are reduced to electricity and neurochemicals; quality is reduced to quantity; interior is reduced to exterior; subject is reduced to object; depth is reduced to surface; the heads side of the coin is reduced to the tails side; and what remains is a flat and faded one-dimensional cosmos, wherein mathematics and logic, spirituality and philosophy, art, morals, truth, and beauty are all reduced to physics and empiricism without remainder. The resultant world is, as Whitehead put it, "a dull affair, soundless, scentless, colourless; merely the hurrying of material, endlessly, meaninglessly." Scientific materialism is, therefore, the insane position of saying that empirical reality alone is the "true reality" (even though there is no empirical basis for such an assertion), and it is always self-contradictory. Carter's book expresses this viewpoint, and says, in effect, that all conscious experience is ultimately reducible to nothing but systems of biochemical activity within the physical brain and body. But if that is actually true, and that statement itself is a product of conscious experience, then it is self-denying, simply because it claims to be "true" at a level where truth and falsehood have no existence (there are no "true" biochemicals versus "false" biochemicals; there are simply biochemicals). Thus, the existence of the very idea of scientific materialism proves that scientific materialism is fundamentally incorrect.

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    2. Re:Slightly Misleading by kebes · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Okay, I'll bite and respond to the quoted review...

      They might tell you _that_ I'm thinking, but not _what_ I'm thinking.

      Very true. We have a long way to go before statements like "a brain scan reveals our thoughts" will be valid.

      Thoughts, moods, and memories--unlike bones--are not physical, empirical quantities.

      They are not physical, that's for sure... but to claim that they are neither empirical nor measurable is not valid. Scientists can come up with an operational definition of any particular thought or emotion, and track empirical correlations with other measureables (like other emotions, states of mind, blood levels of chemicals, brain scan data, etc.). This operational definition of, say, "love" can be chosen so that it closely maps to what most people call "love." Whether or not the chosen definition (and resulting empirical data) actually captures "love" properly is a philosophical question, not a scientific one. Each person is entitled to their own philosophy, but such conjecture is not provable.

      a brain scan will not, however, tell you the nature or content of those thoughts and feelings

      This is true today. Brain scans today are not able to exactly discern what thought a person is thinking. However, that doesn't mean that some sufficiently advanced combination of brain scanning techniques couldn't discern (with reasonable accuracy, say 95%) what emotion or thought a person was thinking. I'm not saying that such a technology will be invented, but at present from the scientific data available it seems plausible that this may well be done one day. More importantly, nothing has ruled out the possibility yet. The review-poster is falling into falacies of assuming that the internal state of a person's mind is unknowable in principle, just because today, in practice, we can't do this. In any case, most experts on the subject do feel that it is possible, in principle, to map a person's brain activity and make accurate guesses as to what thoughts they are thinking.

      To simply reduce conscious experience to brain activity is to completely obliterate it: thoughts and feelings are reduced to electricity and neurochemicals;

      This is an empassionated appeal to "the human spirit," but is utterly devoid of any persuasive argument.

      what remains is a flat and faded one-dimensional cosmos

      If something is "flat" it is usually two-dimensional, not one-dimensional. In any case, if something is one-dimensional, then it is redundant at best (and wrong at worst) to label it as "flat"... (sorry, I couldn't resist)

      Scientific materialism is ... always self-contradictory.

      The review-poster comits the falacy of generalizing. Because a single book overstates the state-of-the-art in brain scanning, suddenly all of scientific materialism is a wasted effort? Sounds more like someone using any available argument to push a philosophical agenda.

      Maybe there are some subtleties I'm not getting here, but by and large this review sounds like an unsubstantiated bash of scientific reasoning, rather than a critical review of what brain imaging can tell us about human thought.

    3. Re:Slightly Misleading by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The above review is wrong on several points. There are studies that show we can definately tell the general nature of what a person is thinking because certain parts of the brain only engage if the person is lying, remembering, feeling happy, laughing, tasting something, etc. If the default areas of your brain are damaged, other parts will be reprogrammed to take over in some cases. There are also chemicals which can definately induce particular moods- notably including the spiritual state. I think it bothers religious people because they associate the "soul" with the personality. The fact is all of our minds and personality are there in the physical brains. I can make you a paranoid delusional murder with the right series of drug treatments. I can make you unable to experience particular sensations and emotions with targeted brain surgery. The soul, if it exists, is supposed to transend the physical form so an aspect of your personality that I can manipulate is probably not part of your soul.

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    4. Re:Slightly Misleading by Decaff · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "To simply reduce conscious experience to brain activity is to completely obliterate it: thoughts and feelings are reduced to electricity and neurochemicals;

      This is an empassionated appeal to "the human spirit," but is utterly devoid of any persuasive argument.


      On the contrary, there is significant philosophical basis for this point of view. It is called the 'Hard Problem' of conciousness. Why should any inspection of the electrochemical states of neurons give any idea of what the experience of a sensation is like? Not only can we not explain it, it is hard to even begin to think of any way that it could ever be explained.

  15. Re:American Hemispheres: Left vs. Right by Rude+Turnip · · Score: 2, Funny

    "Ceasar was a great dead badass! Join my hippy opinion pollin' union? Eat sewage rats, you bastard! Taxes are free! Savage war aftereffects reverberate, killin' my puppy. I jump on only plump greased stewardesses!"

    Can somebody mod this as offtopic? The last State of the Union Address has nothing to do with the book we're discussing here.

  16. Something's wrong here... by SmokeHalo · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Fortunately for you, someone else has already taken the time to understand you and present the results in entertaining, easily digestible, but at the same time scientifically rigorous format.
    How perfect for those of us who need instant results in this fast-food, breakneck-pace world. Who needs years of introspection and self-enlightenment when you can read about it on the train to work?

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  17. 'Know Thyself' as the Delphic Oracle slogan? by ScentCone · · Score: 2, Informative

    That's actually somewhat amusing, now that it's pretty clear that whatever priestess was on duty there at any given time was probably stoned out of her mind on hallucinogenic gases rising out of rock fissures.

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    1. Re:'Know Thyself' as the Delphic Oracle slogan? by fumblebruschi · · Score: 2, Informative

      Not the only one...

      According to Plato's dialogue Charmides, the god Apollo instructed the makers of the shrine at Delphi to carve "Know thyself!" over the lintel, not as a piece of advice, but as the proper salutation of the god to men.

      Later generations carved other grammata underneath it: "Be temperate!" and "Nothing too much!" (And, according to Plutarch, who wrote much later and never saw it himself, the Greek letter E, for some reason.)

      Rock gasses or not, the stoned state of the Pythia was no accident--she breathed the smoke from burning laurel leaves to get into a mental state that she perceived as being receptive to the pronouncements of the god.

  18. Mistaking his wife for a hat by jayhawk88 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Bob: Hey Fred, how are you?
    Fred: Terrible Bob; I hate my wife, but I don't know how to break it off with her.
    Bob: Well, I had an uncle once who used to get rid of girlfriends he was tired of by acting insane.
    Fred: Really? And that worked?
    Bob: Oh, sure. He'd start pretending like he was hearing voices, or thought he was Prince Albert, stuff like that. Eventually the gals just got fed up and left him.
    Fred: I don't know...How could this work on my wife? We've been married 10 years!
    Bob: Well, just go for something really crazy. Pretend that you think she's a hat or something like that.
    Fred: Say, great idea! I'll start tonight!
    Bob: Just remember, gotta stick with it, no matter what!

  19. I just checked mine... by sjf · · Score: 3, Funny

    Apparently God has the right to inspect my thoughts at any time. I'm not allowed to hum or whistle any music that I do not have the appropriate rights for. Reverse engineering is a big NO, unless I am Norweigian. The good news is that I don't see any restrictions on interfacing with other minds, although non-consensual port scans will be construed as hostile.

  20. That's What I Thought by SteveM · · Score: 3, Informative

    My copy of this book is littered with margin notes of exactly the type at the linked site.

    Her lack of rigor was was a major disappointment.

    It will be the last book authored by Rita Carter that I will ever read.

    SteveM

  21. Oh no? by null+etc. · · Score: 2, Funny
    It is immensely strange, then, that most people, including you, my dear reader, never really make the effort to 'know thyself.'

    Speak for yourself. I am the center of my very own universe.

  22. the matrix by same_old_story · · Score: 2, Insightful

    in the matrix movie "Know Thyself" is also what the sign in the oracle's kitchen says.

    1. Re:the matrix by CFTM · · Score: 2, Informative

      Actually in the matrix it was "temet nosce" ... why they used latin instead of the greek is beyond me. I may have misspelled it but you get the idea...

  23. If you REALLY want to know yourself,... by LionKimbro · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Finally, our most unique and advanced feature -- consciousness -- is explained.

    Oh, really.

    Carter describes the "working memory" model developed by Alan Baddeley, where images and speech-based information is held for short time in a cache-like space, while the "central executive" part co-ordinates the information processing. She demonstrates how complex programs can be easily triggered in patients with lobotomy.

    Is the ability to be programmed the same as being conscious? So my computer in front of me here is conscious, because I can program it?

    Tell me, can she explain why it is that we aren't all just unconscious zombies, doing exactly what we do?

    What difference can it possibly make that I experience anything? Don't talk to me about processing- that can all happen equally well if I'm not staring at it.

    A movie playing in a theater plays just as well and just the same whether anybody's sitting in it or not.

    So, why are we here? Why are we in the theater, watching the show, rather than there just being a theater playing the story of the universe, but nobody's watching it?

    Can her explanation of the machinery of the mind- can it answer that one?

    (More to my immediate position: Why the hell am I watching a movie about people who argue that nobody's watching the movie? I want my money back!)

    Carter explains the illusion of the free will and its evolutionary origins.

    So,... Since when is Consciousness the same thing as free will?

    I don't care about free will, I care about Consciousness. Experiencing.

    While I respect the good doctor's understanding of mechanics, i'm still not understanding how this explains why we're having an experience at all.

    You can explain processing mechanisms until you're blue in the face, it's still not going to convince me that there needs to be any anything out there at all- it could all run, exactly as you say, just as well in a program in a supercomputer in a dark closet somewhere, that nobody every saw or heard of.

    The eagerness to say "Consciousness is Explained" when it really isn't- that's got to tell you something.

    I mean, sure- maybe you have an explanation. But not a convincing one. I could say that blue fairies make people conscious, and my explanation would be: "Blue fairies are why you're conscious." but that doesn't really convince anyone.

    Sadly, everyone seems caught up in the Scientists' version of the God of the Gaps: "We just need more complexity. Make it complex enough, and consciousness will just emerge." Yeah. There's a scientific exlpanation for you: "Consciousness just emerges." Just replace the word "emerge" with the word "magicly appear."

    Remember, we're not interested in the behavior of machinery. We're interested in why there is an experience, any experience, period. By experience, we're not talking about neural encodings and other Neural Correlates of Consciousness. We're talking about the actual experience, itself.

    Why do I care? I'd like a model of the world that includes me in it. I find it inconvenient to keep justifying a world that can account for every single last thing, except the mechanism I use to actually experience it. It's like being able to use a microscope, but not being able to talk about the microscope itself.

    You believe in "Know Thyself?" I posit that understanding the motions of the neurons in your brain is only a hair closer to understanding yourself, than understanding the operation of the digits of your fingers, or the brake in your car.

    To really know yourself, you have to go all the way.

    1. Re:If you REALLY want to know yourself,... by kebes · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Is the ability to be programmed the same as being conscious? So my computer in front of me here is conscious, because I can program it?

      If you believe that a cat is conscious, then yes your computer is also. It has a limited sort of intelligence and conscioussness... nothing compared to a human. But that is a difference of scale, not fundamentals. Then again, if you feel that only humans are conscious, then no your computer isn't, animals are not, and no other programmed system will ever meet your criteria.

      What difference can it possibly make that I experience anything? Don't talk to me about processing- that can all happen equally well if I'm not staring at it.

      You suggest a disparity where none exists. You are not some small gnome (homunculus) living inside a brain, watching what comes in through the eyeballs. Have you considered that perhaps what you call "conscioussness" is just the by-product of all that processing and programmed decision-making that goes on in your brain? If the decision-making doesn't happen, you are not conscious (for example, dead or asleep). If the processing occurs, then internal it "feels" like conscioussness, but externally it just looks like your brain is processing things (just like a dog or a computer or another human looks, when viewed externally).

      By experience, we're not talking about neural encodings and other Neural Correlates of Consciousness. We're talking about the actual experience, itself.

      Well, if you decide to define the problem in such a way that it can never be analyzed scientifically, then yes, of course, every scientifica analysis will fail. That is because you are forcing it to be a philosophical debate, and not a scientific one. Science can explain relations between things and give you predictive abilities, but it will not answer your philosophical questions. The book in question (and related research) are not attempting to alleviate your emotional objections to study of the mind, they are trying to come up with predictive models of thought.

      I hope this post doesn't sound overly pointed or accusatory, but I think your characterization of modern science is not fair.



    2. Re:If you REALLY want to know yourself,... by Cyno · · Score: 2, Interesting

      So, why are we here? Why are we in the theater, watching the show, rather than there just being a theater playing the story of the universe, but nobody's watching it?

      If a tree falls in the forest and noone is around to hear it does it make a sound? But more importantly does it matter if it makes a sound or not?

      All our experiences end with death. All our thoughts, our consciousness, our memories and feelings die with us. So, like the tree, does it matter if we're watching the movie or if the theatre is empty?

      We have a limited amount of time. Time is constantly moving forward, it never stops and it never reverses. Our consciousness is dependant on this time changing. Without it how would we collect memories in our brain? How would the chemicals transfer the data from our eyes to our synapses to be processed? They must move through space and time to do this. We are mechanical, in a very organic sense. So our experiences depend on all these physical properties of our universe. Without them we could not exist. And without existence there is no thought, no consciousness to percieve existence, what it means, or why it is important.

      Life is a limited resource. Our consciousness doesn't last forever. Eventually we all die. So
      its more important to experience life than to prove that these experiences mean something to us or anyone else. Its more important what you do with your time while you are alive than what you did with it after you are dead. Because once you die you can't go back and change anything. Its gone. Even if you can somehow magicly be conscious without a brain.

      Also we are programmed. This programming allows us to be manipulated. Psychologists study this intensely.

      Here's a good experiment.

  24. Summary of the abovementioned web site: by spun · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "Every cognitive scientist but me is an moron. Someday, they will all recognize my greatness! In the meantime, the have censored my ideas from their journals because I prove what idiots they all are, so I have to publish everything I write on the web."

    Seriously, this site hits all of the "angry crackpot" buttons. The author, one Yehouda Harpaz, has a chemistry degree, did "some research in protein engineering, published several papers, but lost interest. Part of this is because of the stupid way scientific articles are published currently." Direct quote from the site. I suggest taking this site with a big grain of salt.

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    1. Re:Summary of the abovementioned web site: by Dun+Malg · · Score: 3, Insightful
      "Every cognitive scientist but me is an moron. Someday, they will all recognize my greatness! In the meantime, the have censored my ideas from their journals because I prove what idiots they all are, so I have to publish everything I write on the web."

      Dude, if you're going to put quotes in somebody's mouth, you should try not to slant them so hard with your own bias against the position of the "speaker". I read the same page you did and the guy never claimed to be a better cognitive scientist. In fact, it seems pretty clear that you don't have to be cognitive scientist to take issue with some of the book's claims.

      Seriously, this site hits all of the "angry crackpot" buttons.

      How so? Are you saying that the points he makes (specifically regarding reproducibility and overinterpretation) are untrue? Why? Simply because you disagree with them? Calling someone a crackpot is just doing a dismissive handwave.

      The author, one Yehouda Harpaz, has a chemistry degree, did "some research in protein engineering, published several papers, but lost interest. Part of this is because of the stupid way scientific articles are published currently."

      So you're saying that only a cognitive scientist can cite conflicting data and internal incongruity? Point taken that he's clearly not an expert on the matter, but he's pointing out logical inconsistencies within the book itself.

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    2. Re:Summary of the abovementioned web site: by Decaff · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Seriously, this site hits all of the "angry crackpot" buttons.

      I would say the exact opposite: it is well-argued set of points without any of the flavour of wildness or exaggeration that is typical of 'crackpots'.

      A crackpot is generally out to push their own strange point of view. In contrast, this site is full of healthy scepticism.

    3. Re:Summary of the abovementioned web site: by Dun+Malg · · Score: 2, Insightful
      I suppose I should have clarified, I went to his main site. The page linked to is not particularly bad, taken in isolation from the rest of the site. Go read the rest of the site and tell me you still don't think he's a crank.

      Ah. I hadn't seen that. Yeah, he does sound a bit like a nut. He raises some potentially good points, but yeah, DEFINITELY take what he says with a grain of salt.

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  25. Two small requests ... by Luscious868 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    1) Map the female mind first

    2) Ladies, before your relationship gets too serious, give your man a compimentary copy instead of expecting him to know what your thinking (and more importantly, feeling) all of the time

    It would save us all a lot of time and trouble. Most guys are easy to figure out: sex, money, power, position, and a good time. The exact order depends on the person, and there may be a few other factors thrown in the mix and one or two on the list that I gave that may not be much of a factor, but that's basically it. Almost anything your typical guy will say or do can be explained by that list, with minor modifications based on his personality and personal traits.

    You women, on the other hand. Many of you are impossible to figure out. We could use a little help.

  26. "How The Mind Works" by pomakis · · Score: 2, Informative

    I highly recommend the book "How The Mind Works" by Steven Pinker. It does an awesome job at explaining the workings of the human mind. He treats the mind as software that was written by evolution. Unlike the book "Mapping The Mind", it doesn't really get into the physical details of the brain at all. After you read the book I guarantee that you'll have a much larger appreciation for the amazing tasks that our mind performs. Truly remarkable book. It's the only non-fiction science book that I felt like reading cover-to-cover in one sitting, and the only non-fiction science book that I'm considering reading a second time.

  27. I hope the author of the book is more careful... by divisionbyzero · · Score: 2, Insightful

    with the facts then the reviewer. Many of the reviewer's comments seem to impute causality to certain structures of the brain, but it's often an open question whether the deviant structures are cause or effect or side-effect. The question is open because these are simply correlations between behaviour and structure, but there is no causal explanation. It's somewhat similar to these "studies" that come out every so often about diet. People who drink coffee die earlier than people that don't. Then the next study says, "Oh wait, no, it's the other way around!" And so on... They flip-flop because they have no fucking clue by what causal mechanism the effect is produced. So, till a causal mechanism is elucidated, I recommend taking these "studies" that map function to location as the beginning of the inquiry, not the end.

  28. Synaesthesia by SVDave · · Score: 2, Funny
    There are bugs in every program; your mind is no exception.

    My synaesthesia is a feature, not a bug.

  29. Free will an illusion? Lies, I tell you! by spun · · Score: 2, Interesting

    If free will is an illusion, how can I go on believing that I am a better person than all those bad, evil, stupid people out there? I have made better choices in my life and therefore am more deserving of all the good things I have. Why, I might actually have to feel empathy for them instead of the smug superiority I feel now!

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    1. Re:Free will an illusion? Lies, I tell you! by KalvinB · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Some thoughts on Free Will

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      "Structuralism has often been criticized for being ahistorical and for favoring deterministic structural forces over the ability of individual people to act"

      The good old "free will v. predestination" problem. I never understood why rules conflict with free will. Does the fact that gravity exists deprive me of the ability to make choices? Consider any important point in your life. Now consider how much of it you had control over. Yet, at that point in your life, faced with the laws (circumstances out of your control), you made a choice.

      Just because you don't like the fact that a drunk driver could kill you tomorrow, doesn't mean it couldn't happen. You, quite simply, are not in control of your life. When you are on the road, your life is not in your own hands alone. Your life is in the hands of everyone around you. The lives of those around you are in your hands. When you apply for a job it's ultimately up to those hiring you to make the decision. Not you.

      I remember one evening I was looking to cross an intersection from one shopping complex to another. The driver on the other side was turning left. I delayed and he had to wait for me since I had the right of way. A second or two later some idiot ran the red light on his side. If I hadn't been there and he had simply gone he would have been broadsided.

      I'm pretty comfortable with the fact there are laws of the universe within which I must make my choices. I'm also comfortable with the fact that the small choices people make can lead to big changes in my life.

      From the deconstruction article linked from the Wikipedia

      "In each of these fields, deconstructive readings attempt to show how texts are multivocal: how they cannot simply be read as works by individual authors communicating distinct messages, but instead must be read as sites of conflict within a given culture or worldview. As a result of deconstruction, texts reveal a multitude of viewpoints existing simultaneously, often in direct conflict with one another. Comparison of a deconstructive reading of a text with a more traditional one will also show how many of these viewpoints are suppressed and ignored."

      Basically this says there is no truth. Anything says everything. This idea goes way back to the Sophists in ancient Greece who believed nothing and would argue the case for anything for anyone who paid them. We call these people lawyers today. Structuralism is objective while decontructionism is subjective. In today's society, it's far more popular to not believe in absolutes. Believeing in absolutes alledgedly makes you old fashioned and close minded.

      But, it's a poor reason to reject something as obvious as structuralism just because you don't like the idea of objective facts and rules that govern. The fact of the matter is that there are objective truths and there are subjective opinions.

      No matter how much free will you think you have, there are clear laws of nature that dictate eating jell-o will not cure cancer. You can not choose to make jell-o a cure for cancer simply because you say it is.

      Both of these schools of thought can exist perfectly together. There are many things in this world that fall under structuralism and many things in this world that fall under deconstructionism. But nothing, by definition of these two theories, can exist in both schools of thought simultaniously.

      Every theory has it's detractors. There are still people who think the earth is flat. But they're going to need better arguments.

      "I don't like the idea of not being in control" is not a good argument against structuralism. The more aware of the laws around you the more in control you will be. Man cannot fly on their own. Laws of physics dictate we stay on the ground. However, by understanding the laws of physics man found a way to use those laws to allow him to fly.

      And now we all have more choices. If I want to jump off a large cliff and not die I can do that now using tools that work within the laws of nature to slow my decent.

      And I am okay with this.

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  30. Re:When will these scientists learn by tgibbs · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The mind is more than the brain. The brain is merely a processing unit.

    And the mind is software running on it.

  31. Re:Next round in: free will vs. biological machine by kebes · · Score: 2, Interesting

    To my knowledge (from studying quantum mechanics and discussing with philosophers) the "quantum brain idea" doesn't make much sense. Quantum mechanics has more or less proven to us that we cannot predict all events with certainty. Some are necessarily 'random.' However, we are inherently observers that are inside the universe, interacting with all other elements within it. Thus, it is as yet not known whether the fundamental physical laws are truly random or deterministic (both are compatible with quantum mechanics). But there is no scientific support for theories that quantum mechanics "explains" free will by superpositions of states and so forth. QM is a physical theory (i.e.: set of rules) like any other.

    In either case, I don't see how free will really exists. Either our actions are entirely predictable (in principle) from a set of physical laws, or our actions are controlled by fundamentally random processes (which means our actions are not controlled by us!).

    And, even if there is no free will: we cannot determine it either way.

    That's the crux of it, IMHO. Regardless of what is occuring at the most fundamental level, it will always be that we cannot, in principle or in practice, make proper predictions about what others are going to do. Thus, for all intents and purposes, people do have free will. I, for one, accept that free will is an illusion, but that doesn't affect the way that I make choices in my day to day life. It doesn't invalidate the way societies are run (an accused who argues to the judge that he "had no choice but to comit those actions, since free will doesn't really exist" will hear a judge retort "well then I can't stop myself from sentencing you, can I?")

  32. The main site has some crackpottery... by benhocking · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The main site has a bit of questionable material (not all bad, but not all good, either), but his criticism of Rita's work rings true to me.

    First of all, he does tell you to feel free to take it with a grain of salt, but "to check it with an expert on brain anatomy or clinical neuroscience".

    Secondly, what he says (for the most part) agrees with what I've learned in my research. I am no expert, but my research does involve reproducing cognitive and neurophysiological phenomena of the hippocampus (working on a Ph.D. in Computer Science), and much of my background reading agrees with what Yehouda is saying. Assuming that his quotes of Rita's are valid (I have not read her book), Rita is vastly exaggerating what we know about the brain.

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  33. yeah, right by maxpublic · · Score: 3, Funny

    Carter explains the illusion of the free will and its evolutionary origins.

    Jesus H., another pseudo-intellectual blathering on about the 'illusion' of free will. I certainly hope this sophomoric proclamation is an invention of the reviewer and not the author. The last thing I'd want to read is a book by someone who never got past how 'cool' it was to be able to use what he learned in Philosophy 101 to annoy the shit out of his party guests.

    Max

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  34. Remember... by Penguinshit · · Score: 2, Funny


    ...in Soviet Russia, the Map minds You!

    (oh christ I can't believe I just did that...)

  35. A few pointers that might be helpful by Quirk · · Score: 2, Informative

    Gerald Edelman, nobel laureate, and author of a series of books on human consciousness, is the only author I've read who has openly stated he has defined consciousness. His book Bright Air, Brilliant Fire is a summary of his previous findings. Antonio Domasio has studied consciousness for decades. His earlier work Descartes' Error : Emotion, Reason, and the Human Brain is a good jumping off point, especially as he starts off with a recounting of the case of Phineas Gage, a patient whose case was key to studies of the brain by way of studying brain injuries. Damasio's other book, The Feeling of What Happens: Body and Emotion in the Making of Consciousness should be of interest to those studying AI, as the book takes a close look at the issue of emotion/feeling in decision making. It takes note of interesting cases where damage to areas of the brain leave patients able to reason clearly but unable to arrive at decisions as their emotional centres are impaired.Calvin Williams is worth a read, recently he published A Brief History of the Mind: From Apes to Intellect and Beyond which makes for a quick, easy read and an intro to his ideas. Generally the best and the brightest still view consciousness as an enigma but much has been accomplished in unraveling the mystery. Perhaps the most telling point is that neuroscience has taken the lead and the philosphers now follow in their footsteps.

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  36. Re:SnowCrash, anyone? by RM6f9 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Granted, senses have been replaced/repaired, with the patients *taught* how to apply meaning to the new inputs: we do the same learning a new language. The pleasure center and pain center are roughly known locations (the "wireheading" in one of Spider Robinson's novels scares me spitless) - rather than providing an input that meaning must be learned for, why not focus *more* on empirically/objectively proving: if (sensory input combination) A, then (impression/reaction/response combination) B?
    IANANP, but 'twould seem to be a more fruitful approach when considered logically.

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  37. Re:Next round in: free will vs. biological machine by danila · · Score: 2, Informative

    Actually the book touches on this problem as well. For example "A brain scanning study of forty-one convicted murderers (thirty-nine men and two women) found that the majority showed reduced frontal lobe activity, which, as we shall see in Chapter Eight, may severely compromise a person's ability to control their impulses." Another example is the case of Julie (covered in more details in The Mind Machine by Colin Blakemore), a woman who has developed regular panic attacks and one day in such a state knifed another woman through the heart. She was studied by a neurosurgeon, who located the part of the brain that was causing the panic attacks. He then burnt it out and Julie's rages disappeared.

    A wonderful book, it really has it all. :)

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  38. I agree, Jerk! by KingPrad · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Yeah, people who survey the esoteric knowledge of scientists and present it in a summary form so that non-experts can learn something are monsters. They are ripping off the scientists who spend decades getting to the frontier of their field. The knowledge was hard for them to get - it should be hard for everyone else too!

    Don't stand on the shoulders of giants! Pick your field of specialization and be completely ignorant about everything else! Knowledge is scare and should be hoarded! Fight the educators!! TAKE BACK THE KNOWLEDGE FROM THE LAYMEN!

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  39. Male mind has been mapped already by elgatozorbas · · Score: 2, Funny
  40. Re:On Consciousness.... by danila · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Chinese room is an old fallacious argument. The person there doesn't speak Chinese, but the system comprised of the person, the book and the room, does speak it. Similarly, parts of the computer will not be conscious (just like parts of your brain aren't), but the whole system will be.

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  41. Also read "On Intelligence" by atomm1024 · · Score: 2, Informative

    An excellent complementary reading would be On Intelligence, by Jeff Hawkins, the founder of Palm, Handspring, and most recently, Numenta. It specifically explores the workings of intelligence and memory. (Don't let the rather uninspired title deter you. It was actually a very fascinating read, and very easy to understand -- full of metaphors and examples.)

    I haven't read "Mapping the Mind," but it sounds like an equally good read.

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  42. Oh dear oh dear oh dear by Hortensia+Patel · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The quoted review displays the sort of vehement ignorance characteristic of religious types, who seem to think that impassioned handwaving and endless repetition can somehow substitute for a cogent argument.

    Specific thoughts, memories etc can already be mapped (with the subject's cooperation) fairly precisely to areas of the brain. F'rinstance, stimulating a particular point can reproducibly trigger a particular memory - a face, a place, a Guns'n'Roses song. Similarly with brain damage to particular areas disrupting particular functions. There are numerous examples quoted in Dennett's excellent (if over-ambitiously titled) "Consciousness Explained", which must be a decade or so old now. Denying this stuff is heading into Flat-Earther territory.

    The "objective correlate" bit is bizarre; it reads like a sort of reverse epiphenomenalism. As if subjective qualia were the only "significant" aspects of a mental occurrence, and the physical aspects are just an irrelevant side-effect. There are certainly open questions regarding qualia and their place in an ontology of the mind, but religious prejudices like this don't contribute anything to the debate.

    The last two sentences are nonsensical garbage. I'm not sure whether the author is deliberately misrepresenting physicalism or just misunderstanding it, but the claim made is roughly equivalent to "software can't just be a bunch of bits, because there's a Slashdot page in my browser window and there are no 'Slashdot' bits versus 'kuro5hin' bits, there are simply bits".

    (Yes, I'm aware that you were just quoting this review, not necessarily supporting it. As you can tell, this kind of dogma-dressed-up-as-argument gets me riled.)

  43. Phantoms in the Brain by vivin · · Score: 3, Interesting

    If you find material like this interesting, you'll also find Phantoms in the Brain: Probing the mysteries of the Human Mind and The Man who mistook his wife for a hat: And other clinical tales by V. S. Ramachandran and Oliver Sacks. I've read the first one and Amazon is shipping the second one to me. Ramachandran goes into detail about Phantom limbs and phantom pain, vision processing by the brain, and gleans information about the brain by examining patients who have different kinds of neurological disorders. He makes some really amazing and intuitive hypotheses and tries out some amazingly simple, yet brilliant experiments to figure how exactly certain parts of the brain work.

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  44. Re:Not that bold, ask a creationist! by mrpeebles · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Actually, there are lots of questions that science has never been able to answer. For example, and early challenge to Newton was that he assumed what we today might call "spooky action at a distance" in his theory of planetary motion- in other words, how could planets interact through gravity when they were not touching. Similarly, the "medium" through which EM waves (light) travel was never really explained. Finally, modern quantum theory has its own "spooky action at a distance", which Einstien among others was extremely critical of, that also was never really explained. What happened to these questions? Mostly, people decided to stop caring. How can one argue with such genius, I suppose. Or in other words, why worry about these questions when you can go to the moon. But the questions are still there. What is more, a lot of what we, or at least I, mean by the "mind" is arguably metaphysical, or at least purely subjective. Science can never say anything about either the metaphysical, or about the purely subjective. So when neurobiologists talk about explaining the "mind", they are not necessarily talking about the same concept of mind that you and I are intuitively mean when we talk about the mind. Whether we as a society will eventually decide that their concept of mind is good enough to replace our current one can't really be known at this time. I suppose that probably, most people won't ever really understand the difference well enough to make a judgement. We can look again to the example of physics- if you are not a physicist, your conception of position and momentum and time, and even force, are probably hopelessly naive, at least in the sense that if you tried to do a modern physics experiment, you would have no idea what the results would be.

    But pseudoscience the original post is not. Simply criticizing reductionism doesn't mean you are a creationist. I congratulate you, though, of being suspicions of pseudoscience. There is a lot of it these days.

  45. Neat model of aspects of consciousness by FleaPlus · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Finally, our most unique and advanced feature -- consciousness -- is explained. Carter describes the "working memory" model developed by Alan Baddeley, where images and speech-based information is held for short time in a cache-like space, while the "central executive" part co-ordinates the information processing.

    Coincidentally, today the journal PLoS Biology released an article, where researchers describe a neuronal model they've devised of certain aspects of consciousness.

    Synopsis (for the layman): Assessing Consciousness: Of Vigilance and Distractedness

    Research paper: Ongoing Spontaneous Activity Controls Access to Consciousness: A Neuronal Model for Inattentional Blindness

    In general, Stanislas Dehaene (one of the paper's authors) has some very cool publications on neuroscience, consciousness, cognition, and so forth. You can find them here.

    Here's a quote from the aforementioned synopsis:

    Have you ever walked smack into a parking meter or tripped over something on the sidewalk? Embarrassing as such incidents may be, they're the product of normal brain function. The brain is continuously bombarded with sensory information about the environment but perceives just a fraction of these inputs. The rest--pertinent details or not--is filtered out. It's thought that consciousness emerges from the activity of multiple spontaneous neural processors that run in parallel and connect to a higher order cognitive network that mediates the conscious perception. But this higher order network has limited processing capacity. That means if you're distracted, your brain can't accommodate additional sensory information, like "there's a parking meter in front of you, look out!"

    To understand how spontaneous brain processing interacts with higher order cognition, Stanislas Dehaene and Jean-Pierre Changeux modeled the dynamic properties of brain activity with computer simulations. Their simulations show that while spontaneous brain activity sometimes facilitates processing, more often it competes with external stimuli for access to consciousness. Intriguingly, the results of the computer simulations very closely match physiological and psychophysical experimental data and thus shed new light on how intrinsic brain activity modulates conscious perception. ...

    With higher vigilance states, weaker external stimuli are able to ignite the global workspace. But paying attention to one thing narrows your perceptive capacity. Once ignited by one stimulus, the network cannot consciously process any others. Dehaene and Changeux propose that spontaneous activity--which operates within an "anatomically distinct set of workplace neurons"--offers an organism a measure of autonomy relative to the external world. While this decoupling of internal thought and external stimuli does have its disadvantages--like that pesky parking meter--it also provides the opportunity for introspection and creativity, which the authors argue is likely to "play a crucial role in the spontaneous generation of novel, flexible behavior."

  46. Ugh, another pop-neuroscience book? by jerald_hams · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Books like Rita Carter's are the junk-tabloids of brain studies. Our understanding of the brain is so small and limited...why these books keep coming out? Why do they push fragile disputed theories as "Consciousness Explained!" ?

    If you want to learn about neuroscience in an easy-to-swallow format, read Oliver Sacks

    * He's a practicing neurologist, with a deep knowledge of the subjects he covers (unlike Rita Carter, who's a clueless popularizer)

    * He covers many of the same cases at Rita Carter with greater insight

    * He doesn't throw around wild exaggerations, (it seems that Rita Carter is hoping her reader won't know any better).

    Forget Rita Carter, go pick up Oliver Sacks's "The Man Who Mistook His Wife for a Hat".