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Budweiser Vetos Genetically Modified Rice

fishdan writes "Anheuser-Busch the makers of Budweiser and other beers, has stated that they will not buy rice from Missouri if genetically modified crops are allowed in the state. Budweiser is claimed to be the best selling beer in the world Bud Light is the second best selling. I wonder about the stats of Tsing Tao I'm not sure what they're afraid of from genetically modified rice. Do they think their beer could get any worse?"

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  1. Rice? by turtled · · Score: 2, Funny

    Who cares when you are gettin drunk and watching the race!?

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  2. because not only americans drink it by feandil · · Score: 4, Interesting

    there are plenty of people in the world who do not want anything to do with biotech food or drinks, so if it was known that budweiser contain GMO their sales would plummet in the world, especially in europe.

    1. Re:because not only americans drink it by sfjoe · · Score: 4, Interesting


      Beer isn't the only thing. California has banned GM rice because the largest consumer of California rice is Japan and they will NOT buy GM rice.
      Personally, I haven't made up my mind one way or another. However, having been lied to any number of times by people whose only motivation is profit, the burden of proof beyond reasonable doubt is on the corporations.

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  3. Beer? by Prien715 · · Score: 4, Funny

    All this time I thought Buddweiser only sold water!

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  4. They are afraid... by jangobongo · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'm not sure what they're afraid of from genetically modified rice.

    They are afraid that they will lose customers. Since the public has not made up its mind as to whether genetically modified foods are safe to ingest, Budweiser does not want to alienate anyone who purchases their products.

    Remember, people are afraid of the unknown. "Will it cause cancer?", "Am I going to turn into a mutant??", etc.

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    1. Re:They are afraid... by moof1138 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This has nothing to do with cancer fears or even GM food. The modified rice is genetically enhanced with synthetic human genes to produce lactoferrin and lysozyme, which are intended to be used in medicines so they would be very likely affect someone who consumed them. They are afraid that the modified rice could cross pollinate with standard rice. It is well known that pollen can travel large distances, so the possibility of contamination is very real and could in theory have serious negative consequences. It may be that their concerns are unfounded, but that is really something that only an expert could make the call on.

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    2. Re:They are afraid... by sagekoala06 · · Score: 2, Informative

      AFAIK lactoferrin and lysozyme are both in production by every single person who would be able to read this sentence. Lactoferrin and lysozyme are really nothing but enzymes that kill bacteria that are already found in our spit, snot, tears, and just about any other mucus that comes from our bodies. I wonder why they would produce these enzymes in rice for consumption because the instant they would hit the stomach (with a pH ~2) the protiens would denature and be rendered into useless macromolecules. A more likely use would be to prevent some bacterial rice disease caused by a gram positive bacteria.

  5. Business opportunity! by TripMaster+Monkey · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I see a clever new business opportunity here:

    GenetiBrau: the Beer made from 100% genetically modified ingredients!

    (I'd drink it.)

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  6. Re:But does it taste different? by tOaOMiB · · Score: 5, Informative

    If you RTFA, you'd notice that this is not about genetically modifying rice to have to grow better or faster. This is about a drug company that wants to use rice to produce human proteins to be used at drugs--not rice for consumption! The fear here (from Anheuser-Busch) is about cross-pollination with normal rice strains.

  7. Real Beer has no rice by gvc · · Score: 4, Informative

    Where I come from, beer is made from barley, hops, yeast and water.

    Not rice, corn or potatoes.

    1. Re:Real Beer has no rice by Guido+von+Guido · · Score: 4, Informative
      How did this get modded informative? First, even the Germans make plenty of wheat beer. Last I checked, malted wheat ain't barley.

      Second, the quality of the finished product has little to do with whether or not the brewer uses rice, corn or potatoes. Budweiser sucks because they use less malt and hops than in a traditional pilsner, and because they go to extraordinary efforts to remove whatever flavor they do add to the beer.

      For that matter, I've had some excellent beers made with all three of your verboten grains (yes, including potatoes), and some of the best beers in the world are made with added sugar.

      For an example of a classic beer made with corn, check out the Classic American Pilsner. This is a style of beer brewed in America before Prohibition, and which was revived in large part through the efforts of homebrewer Jeff Renner. Unfortunately, it is true that there aren't any good commercial examples.

  8. Another Misleading Story... by tOaOMiB · · Score: 5, Informative

    Please do note that this is not a story about Budweiser not using GMO. In fact, there is nothing that says they are even against GM rice--just rice being modified to produce drugs grow outside, where it can potentially crosspollinate with rice meant for consumption. While the summary states that Anheuser-Busch "will not buy rice from Missouri if genetically modified crops are allowed in the state," the article clearly states they "won't buy rice from Missouri if genetically modified, drug-making crops are allowed to be grown in the state."

    The trolling summary then continues on with links to the popularity of Bud and the uprising Tsing Tao for no obvious reason.

    1. Re:Another Misleading Story... by gstoddart · · Score: 2, Interesting
      In fact, there is nothing that says they are even against GM rice--just rice being modified to produce drugs grow outside, where it can potentially crosspollinate with rice meant for consumption.

      Yes, Budweiser hasn't said "no GMOs", they're afraid of this particular crop.

      That's true.

      But every single one of these damned GM plants that have been deployed have cross-pollenated and caused problems. Monsanto's wheat being the most eggregious example.

      I'm absolutely terrified by all of this stuff, because it won't take long before the native species we started with are all wiped out in favour of these GMOs.

      In this case, even though we can do this to a plant, I'm not 100% sure we should until we know how to control it/fix it.
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  9. This decision on GM rice says a lot about.... by scupper · · Score: 4, Interesting

    what Anheuser-Busch thinks of it's customers, about who they see as their potential new customers, and how they approach advertising to them.

    They are fearful, not of the average white american's reaction to GM rice, but of the reaction from Hispanics, who are coming from agrarian cultures, and are doubly suspicious of any gm agri products, especially corn and rice.

    Hispanics also represent the fastest growing group of drinkers of "Bud".

  10. Re:To hear many foreigners talk about US beer by afabbro · · Score: 2, Interesting
    In my experience, 99% of people who say "American beer sucks" or only drink micro- or foreign brews would happily drink Budweiser if it was named something else. Give them a glass of Bud and tell them it's Pete's Wicked Spring Blonde Ale or something and they'll coo about the taste.

    Most people are idiots. Pretentious beer drinks are worse.

    (I don't drink beer. I'm pretentious about high-end vodkas).

    Wikipedia on Budweiser

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  11. Re:To hear many foreigners talk about US beer by Uber+Banker · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I RTFA, and this really isn't so much about GM rice, more about other effects of GM, but no doubt the GPs point is still valid.

    To answer your question:
    Budweiser is by far the most widely consumed US originated beer here in the UK. That is if you call it beer. Having lived in the US for some time I appreciated most beer sold in bars was very cold (glasses often kept in a fridge), very fizzy (unless the bar was out of CO2/N) and quite tasteless. That wasn't/isn't always a bad thing - if dehydrated I don't know what could be nicer than a watery cold drink - and if going out with the aim of getting drunk I don't think the quality matters after the second pint - but if drinking beer for beer the taste is extremely important and that's what US mass brews lack - taste. If looking for a fizzy somewhat (but not very) tasty beer that will deliver sugars in your blood Bud is a good choice of many (bar excellent German lagers which are not highly available in the US).

    This is not to dismiss US beer as a whole, micro-brew is a massively growing industry and has some excellent choices. But to drink beer for being beer ice cold piss isn't always good. If you're not a big beer drinker why not try something like Old Speckeld Hen or whatever local micro-brew markets itself as strong in taste, it could give you a fresh perspective.

  12. genetically modified rice by wertarbyte · · Score: 4, Funny

    I don't know which scenario is scarier: modified rice, or rice in a beer!?

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  13. Re:To hear many foreigners talk about US beer by TripMaster+Monkey · · Score: 2, Funny

    Exactly. American beers like Bud and Miller are designed to be drunk ice-cold, so you can't actually taste the rankness.

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  14. Re:To hear many foreigners talk about US beer by Captain+Splendid · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Pretentious beer drinker here...

    Simply put, Budweiser tastes like hobo ass. The only lager that tastes worse, IMO is Foster's. They both have the defining characteristic of wickedly nasty aftertaste.

    As a Guinness drinker, I'm blond-beer biased anyway, but in those rare instances when that's not available, there's a dozen beers I'd rather have first. Heineken is quite smooth, Castlemaine XXXX has a nice punch to it, for example.

    Disclaimer: I have not tried any of the American bargain beers: Pabst, Schlitz, Colt 45, etc., so I could ultimately be wrong.

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  15. Simple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Real men drink only Real beer, not some suped up, GMO'd, fancy-pants lab engineered, hyper-modern Monsonto @!$#%. PERIOD

  16. Re:Since... by exp(pi*sqrt(163)) · · Score: 2, Insightful
    natural foods/meats and their cultivation are the keystones to human-thought evolution.
    Are they? I've been eating processed foods all my life and I can still think. On the other hand I haven't evolved recently so maybe you have a point.
    Modifying them isnt part of cultivation
    That's an uninteresting semantic quibble.
    it's bastardizing an organism's growth process
    Emotional language like this suggests you've retired your ability to actually think.
    for profit.
    What does that have to do with it? Why do you think people sell organic foods or work on organic farms? For love? Actually, it's for profit.
    Plants/animals function in periods of seasons
    Eh? Do you know any biology.
    and to try and alter
    "Try and". That's horrible writing.
    that effects
    Affects, affects, affects.
    the nature of the plants ability to mature - which can deminish the amount of nutrients in the organism,
    Do you have a citation to a paper you can post to back up your claims.
    and its consumer.
    Well, if you're not eating GMO foods I suggest you examine your diet closely to find out what's inhibiting your thought-evolution.
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  17. Re:To hear many foreigners talk about US beer by Exocet · · Score: 2, Funny

    I'm like you - I prefer not to be able to see through my beers. Even better if light appears to bend into the the beer's event horizon.

    That being said, I love Red Stripe beer. If you hate most lagers you might like Red Stripe.

    PS: For dark beers, Deschutes Brewery makes Black Butte Porter. Their Obsidian Stout sucks, IMO, but the Black Butte is awesome.

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  18. Budweiser is Tasty.... IF... by Wandering+Wombat · · Score: 2, Informative
    ... you buy it in Canada. Budweiser brewed in Canada is brewed by Molson (I think... or Labatts)... using Molson's techniques. In a recent taste test, 3 out of 5 people couldnt tell Canadian beer from Budweiser brewed in Canada. 5 out of 5 knew EXACTLY when they had tasted the American Bud.



    I just think it's funny that Budweiser, knowing that not a single damn Canadian would buy THEIR Beer, just brew Canadian beer and stick it in Bud cans. There's a metaphor there, but I can't quite get a grip on it.

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  19. Re:Not Exactly by glesga_kiss · · Score: 2, Interesting
    I am all for genetic engineering of pretty much everything, including things I stuff in my mouth... [snip] ...so long as there is nothing in them that could potentially be harmful.

    And thanks to you (and your children), we'll all know if they are harmful in about 10/20 years. There have been many things hailed as harmless by the companies hawking them; absbestos, Thalidomide (v. nasty), tobacco blah blah blah. They are just molecules, now we're talking genes. God, how often do we hear of the "unknown long term effects of Ecstacy" been touted as reason not to take it?

    If you want to take their word for it being "harmless", then I am quite glad to have you as my guinea pig!! :-)

    The problem is not that Anheuser-Busch is worried about pissing off Europe. The problem is that a drug company wants to produce rice designed to create a drug in open fields. Anheuser-Busch doesn't want that rice to contaminate their rice.

    Opinions here in Europe on GM are mostly sceptical. "GM free" is a selling point, and Bud cares about how many units it shifts more than anything else on the planet. If there rice were to be contaminated, it would definately make the news and cost them sales. No one would be pissed off, they just wouldn't sell any.

    Sales of Bud aren't as high as they once were say 10 years ago. It's got an "asshole" stigma about it here now; it's kinda what US style "jocks" would drink if I were to think of an equivalent social group to what we have here. European beers had lots of ad drives over the last while, and frankly few could argue that Bud wins on taste. So, bud took a pasting. Risking further losses would be dangerous as they have investments in "brewed under license" franchises.