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Black Boxes for Spacecrafts

karvind writes "NewScientist is running story about NASA's plan to put small, heat-resistant black boxes that will transmit data back to Earth when future space probes break up during re-entry to the Earth's atmosphere. NASA will work with Aerospace Corporation to develop black boxes called Reentry Breakup Recorders (REBRs) weighing just 1 kilogram and spanning less than 30 centimetres."

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  1. "When" they break up? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Shouldn't that be an "if"?

  2. Re:This sounds fatalist by 01000011011101000111 · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Umm... they're talking about unmanned craft dude...

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  3. Know thine enemy by mrRay720 · · Score: 1, Insightful

    How can you avoid it if you don't know how it happens?

  4. Re:This sounds fatalist by WolfWithoutAClause · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If we made stuff that never failed, how would we ever know we'd done it? We only learn that we haven't successfuly made things that never fail when things fail, and when things fail then we need the best evidence as to how they fail so we can stop it happening again.

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  5. Re:Why just for recorders? by YrWrstNtmr · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Because it would be too heavy to actually fly. A 1 cu ft box can be made out of whatever material you want. 1/2" thick steel, titanium, whatever. That can't scale up to the entire craft.

    I've seen wreckage of large aircraft. A lot of pieces were very recognizeable, or still in one piece. Engine turbines, weapons hard points. But obviously, you can't make the whole aircraft out of that. It would never get off the ground.

  6. Isn't that a bit heavy/large? by bcmm · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Launching an extra kilo into orbit? That's actually pretty expensive isn't it.

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    1. Re:Isn't that a bit heavy/large? by YrWrstNtmr · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Crashing the next craft because you didn't know how to prevent it is even more expensive.

      And it's probably not an 'extra' kilo, it's one less kilo of payload.

  7. If Low-Gain Antenna fails.... by Hao+Wu · · Score: 2, Insightful
    This will be useless without a functioning omni-directional communication system.

    Keep that in mind.

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  8. Its all well and good... by BlacBaron · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ...but I'd think desinging the spaceships so they don't break up on reentry might be a better idea.

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  9. I, for one, welcome... by marcsiry · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ...our new era of information saturation.

    As sensors become smaller, lighter, and more networked, it makes sense to put recording devices on ANYTHING remotely mission critical, mainly because at a certain point it becomes negligent not to.

    When I ride over the Queensboro Bridge in NYC, I stare up with apprehension at the thousands of rusting girders that hold that rattletrap together. The only thing forestalling a collapse is having actual dudes crawling over it all the time checking visually for cracks and obvious failures. The smart pebble technology previously mentioned on Slashdot - http://www.betterroads.com/articles/feb03b.htm - would make me feel more comfortable.

    I feel the same way on airplanes- do I trust that a ground tech working for a lowest-bidder maintenance company has adequately checked the airframe? I sure would like real-time fatigue information being beamed to the pilot, so he can decide wether to fly or not based on risking his own skin.

    The most amazing thing about our age of astounding engineering is still the amount of ignorance we maintain about our constructions (Bucky Fuller's famous, and unanswered question to an architect: How much does your building weigh?). Thus, safety margins, inspections, building codes, all serving as bandaids to a fundamental ignorance that bites back BIG when a failure does occurr (sure, the WTC can absorb the impact, but can it survive the potential energy bundled in a plane, including the BTUs in the fuel? Nope).

    Privacy wonks will worry about networked sensors in their toilets watching them take a crap, but really, if anyone wants to see mine, they're more than welcome to it- I just don't want to hear about it (eeewwww).

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  10. Re:Phone Home by krunk4ever · · Score: 2, Insightful

    how bout we make it less dense then water so it'd float? or have it release inflate a tube around it upon contact with water?