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Microsoft Proposes Thumb-Driven Interfaces

bonch writes "Microsoft Research has demonstrated examples of two thumb-driven interfaces for handhelds proposed a few weeks ago. Today's devices require the use of two hands; Microsoft wants to reduce this to one. Usability tests showed, however, that some users had difficulty adjusting to the thumb movements. Full researcher's report here."

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  1. Discrimination by y0bhgu0d · · Score: 4, Funny

    It is of my opinion that these new technologies are being put forth by Microsoft to quite openly mock those without thumbs.

    I see through your ruse, Microsoft! HA! WHAT NOW??

    1. Re:Discrimination by jacen_sunstrider · · Score: 2, Interesting

      You'd think this is funny, but I know a suprising amount of people missing at least 1 thumb. THis device would be handy for those with incomplete digits.

    2. Re:Discrimination by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      "Sometimes I wave to people I don't know. It is very dangerous to wave to people you don't know, because what if they don't have a hand? They'll think you're cocky. 'Look what I got motherfucker, this thing is useful...I'm gonna go pick something up'"
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    3. Re:Discrimination by Prof.Phreak · · Score: 2, Funny

      Although that would explain why `laptops looking desktops' on startrek only have 1 big button...

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  2. TDA? by Bananatree3 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This sounds extremely familure to the already-on-market TDA (Tactile Digital assistant). Is this a Microsoft copycat?

    1. Re:TDA? by mingrassia · · Score: 4, Insightful

      >> This sounds extremely familure to the already-on-market TDA (Tactile Digital assistant).
      >> Is this a Microsoft copycat?

      This idea is similar but not a copycat. From TFA ...

      "Current handhelds generally require the use of two hands: device in one hand, stylus in the other. Microsoft hopes to allow future devices to be used with a single hand."

      The two UIs created and their research takes into account the limited range of motion of your thumb and designs a UI that can be used with one hand.

      The Jackito-TDA is simply a normal PDA with bigger buttons so you can use two thumbs to operate things.

      Besides, the TDA is still not "already-on-market" as you put it. The article that you linked to mentions that it was considered vapor ware. Even the buy it now page on the Jakito wesbite still lists it as only taking pre-orders.

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  3. sounds familiar by thundercatslair · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It seems that microsoft is looking to have some kind of setup like apples iPod, but for a PDA. This might be a problem for some though, my thumb is gigantic so trying to make precision movements might be difficult.

  4. Two hands?! by Richard_at_work · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I can handle both a trackpad and a trackpoint very well with one hand - a finger for the pointer and a finger or thumb for the button(s). Ive been doing this for years. How is this new?

  5. One handed PDA browsing? by Michalson · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Ever use a Palm (outside of the low end Zire models) in the last 2-3 years?

  6. Ah, I see. by ShaniaTwain · · Score: 2, Funny

    This must be for people who are all thumbs around technology.. now if only they could develop something for people with two right feet..

  7. innovation? by justforaday · · Score: 5, Funny

    Today's devices require the use of two hands; Microsoft wants to reduce this to one.

    Who says porn doesn't drive innovation in the computer industry?

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    1. Re:innovation? by Jorkapp · · Score: 3, Funny

      Porn also fuels spending and upgrades in the industry. Think about it:

      People want porn faster - ISP's upgrade equipment to provide faster connections.

      As the amount of people with faster connections rises, so does the quality and hence the file size of the porn.

      As the file sizes get larger and larger, the time it takes to acquire them gets longer, and people want them faster. So, the cycle repeats again.

      Lather. Rinse. Repeat.

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  8. Actually a really big improvement by mrRay720 · · Score: 4, Funny

    The one thumb interface is significantly better than the three finger salute.

    It's not every day we get a 3x improvement in productivity!

  9. Thumb-driven interfaces?... by meringuoid · · Score: 5, Interesting
    ... Like a mobile? Like an iPod?

    I bet when they patent it it'll be broad enough that both the above are covered.

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  10. i guess by Sv-Manowar · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I guess this won't help the generation who are growing up using their thumbs as fingers due to mobile phones.

    It's good to see Microsoft being innovative towards something they had previously not been, It's always good to see original ideas going into practice, and new ways to operate products.

  11. new tech by ceejayoz · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Usability tests showed, however, that some users had difficulty adjusting to the thumb movements.

    So, usability tests showed a bit of a learning curve on a new, very different way of doing things?

    Fancy that.

  12. I'm all thumbs today. by Spudley · · Score: 4, Funny


    Well, whaddya know? Mircrothoft does thumbtimeth come up with good ideath.

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    1. Re:I'm all thumbs today. by linguae · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I know you're trying to be funny, but Microsoft's research is very interesting. I don't know if its on the level of the old Bell Labs, but many of the stuff is very interesting. See for yourself to see what I mean. That is where most of the innovation seem to stem from. Too bad I haven't seen much of their research being used in their latest Windows and Office offerings, though.

      The thing to remember about Microsoft, though, is that the marketing department, not the actual engineers, seems to run the company. Microsoft is so into destroying the competition that sometimes the implementation of their products get a bit sloppy, because of rushed deadlines, demands from the marketing department, and other issues. Look at history of Windows, for example. Windows didn't become fully stable until about Windows 2000, and they're still working on Windows's security (even though a competent user can deal with this with a firewall and Firefox).

      Even so, the quality of MS software has improved over the years. Windows is a stable operating system, Office is a great tool if you ignore Clippy, and Visual Studio is a very nice IDE. It might not be the most "innovative" software, but it works just fine for most tasks. I feel that the company is finally realizing that it should focus on making good quality software rather than just shipping an unpolished product. Now, this doesn't mean that I'm dumping *nix for Windows anytime soon, but anytime I must work on a Windows box, at least I feel a bit more comfortable.

  13. Microsoft patents the thumb by oogoody · · Score: 4, Funny

    Chimps counter sue.

  14. this is actually kinda cool by jessecurry · · Score: 2, Insightful

    despite the fact that none of this technology is ground breaking, it's nice to see new directions in interface design, I sure hope that the mouse doesn't end up being the best computer interface.

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  15. how is this new? by strider3700 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    My current job is building a program for a handheld device. Because the unit will be used outdoors while the users are wearing gloves in winter I also came up with the idea of really big buttons on screen.

    The secret to writing easy to use applications for CE .Net or mobile devices is to completely ignore the programming standards as recommended by mircrosoft.

    Out main issue is finding hardware that is robust enough (IP67 should be tough enough, IP65 is not) with all the bells and wistles and most importantly they need a good keyboard for lots of data entry. The industry seems to be moving away from keyboard entry but if you're doing lots of data entry it is the only way to go. I've also found that units are failing tests that they are rated to survive easily.

    At this point It's almost looking like having custom units built is the way to go

  16. Repetitive strain problems doubled? by sbaker · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It's bad enough that we have to dial phones and enter text messages with such a crappy interface. Going from two thumbs to one means that the devices are marginally cheaper - but it means that ALL of the work now happens with one thumb instead of two. It seems pretty likely that this will double the load on the thumb - making all sorts of repetitive strain problems more prevelant.

    We should be looking at technologies that allow you to use MORE fingers - not LESS.

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  17. I have a bad feeling about this... by Eminence · · Score: 2, Insightful
    I sense a lot of thumb injuries in the future...

    And I'm not kidding. I really prefer to use two hands rather than put additional strain on my thumbs.

  18. Um, Treo? by GrouchoMarx · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Oh, this is on Brighthand. No wonder they think Microsoft is novel...

    Seriously, though, there's a good one-thumb or nearly one-thumb interface out there now on the palmOne Treo 650. (Not from Microsoft, of course, so they don't acknowledge it.) It's not perfect, but the learning curve is very low. It supports both one-thumb and two-thumb interaction, or stylus interaction if you want. However, with the thumbboard and good software integration I was able to go a week with it without using the stylus in any of the included programs.

    Sorry, MS, you're not being innovative. You're following palmOne. How sad is that. :-)

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  19. Thumbs down by symbolic · · Score: 2, Interesting


    I remember reading an article not too long ago that discussed problems people were having from extended use of their thumbs for things like text messaging, and gameboy-like appliances. The condition is now commonly referred to as "Nintendo Thumb". I guess Microsoft wants its share of this market as well.

  20. Treo 650 is already very close. by Ira+Sponsible · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The PalmOne Treo 650 pda-phone is already very close to being a thumb-operated device. You can navigate almost everywhere and select almost anything using the 5-way navigational keypad, then there's the built-in hardware keyboard. I routinely use this device single-handedly, using only my thumb to navigate and enter text. It's actually pretty rare that I HAVE TO break out the stylus and tap something on the screen (usually my thumbnail is good enough). The bigest limit is the size of the keyboard is larger than the range of motion of my thumb, requiring slight shifting of the way I hold it in my hand as I'm using it, but I would not categorize that as a problem with the design as it's not something that is a nuisance to work with. Bottom line is, what is the innovation we're seeing from MS? We already HAVE this.

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  21. Re:Hrm. Remember the tablet PC? by Aphrika · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I wouldn't say the Tablet PC has failed (I own one, and I think it's an awesome device), but if the basic forms of computing gadget for the foreseeable future are limited to desktop, notebook and PDA and we're happy with that, then we may as well stop innovating now. I sure as hell don't want to be stuck with three form factors 20 years from now...

    Desktop computers, servers, laptops and phones have all started in their niche markets in the past, and I'm happy for MS to use their cash to kickstart market segments that may or may not yield results. In some cases, they might stumble on something worthwhile. A one-handed interface has benefits for in-car PCs, industrial devices, phones and related devices like touchscreens and mouse design. Long term, the aggregation of ideas from this with existing PDA and tablet technology might yield devices that appeal more to the mainstream.

  22. what about arthritis? by jack_call · · Score: 2, Informative

    Not having RTFA I don't know how MS wants people to use this, but if it's for all input, it won't be good.
    I used to use a trackball, and I ruined my righthand thumb. I can just operate my cellphone, but even though I haven't used it today, I still have a slight pain in my thumb.

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  23. UI from hell by Zhe+Mappel · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Forget the thumb. Those UIs look like nightmares. Their sense of organization reminds me of the visual clutter popular in U.S. cable TV news broadcasts--the widest-possible-net theory of information design.

    Maybe this interface is right for someone (corporate drones, perhaps, whose work lives are drowned in minutaie). But when devices or broadcasts make you shuffle through a maelstrom of information to learn or get something done, you're submitting to someone else's taste for disorder.

  24. nothing new here by FudRucker · · Score: 2, Funny

    RE:thumb-driven interfaces also known as hitchhiking

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  25. Thumb driven joysticks are pretty good by Xenna · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I was thinking more along the lines of the thumb driven tiny joysticks on my Garmin Etrex Vista GPS, my Nokia 9300 and my mother's Konica X31 camera.

    I kinda like those, they're small, easy to control movement in 4 directions and can be pressed for enter. A pretty cool device for controlling menus with one thumb.

    X.

  26. Very useful by FuturePastNow · · Score: 2, Funny

    Today's devices require the use of two hands; Microsoft wants to reduce this to one.

    That could be very useful for handheld devices that connect to the internet... one-handed browsing is simply a must for some people.

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  27. Reviews by metamatic · · Score: 3, Funny

    Well, I'm sure Ebert and Roeper will like this new interface.

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