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GameStop buys EB

Dram writes "Business Week, among others, is reporting that GameStop will buy Electronics Boutique for $1.4 billion. Hopefully this will allow both chains to better compete with Wal-Mart and Best Buy for our gaming dollars."

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  1. Um... by GoodbyeBlueSky1 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Hopefully this will allow both chains to better compete with Wal-Mart and Best Buy for our gaming dollars.

    I don't understand, both GameStop and EB suffer from varying degrees of suckiness. I've had to deal with enough crap from both stores to wish they'd just go out of business altogether.

    While Walmart and Best Buy might not be all that great either, they are ALWAYS, WITHOUT EXCEPTION cheaper or equal in pricing to GameStop/EB for new games.

    Used games are a different story, but when I see games that retail new for $19.99 selling for $17.99 used, or $49.99 games selling for $44.99 used, I feel like you're a sucker for buying used games there (this intarweb thing works pretty well for that). On top of which is the fact that you won't get more than $5 cash/store credit for selling that $49.99 game that they turn around and sell for $44.99. Bastards.

    Mod me a troll if you must, but I doubt I'm the only one with these complaints.

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    1. Re:Um... by ivan256 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It used to be that Funcoland and EB were both great. Then GameStop bought Funcoland and turned it to shit, and EB dropped their customer friendly return policy. Even more recently both stores have adopted a hostile policy of pushing pre-orders. Perhaps together they can propel the customer service level to lows previously unobtainable in a gaming store.

      Somebody should remind these companies that they are value-added retailers. If they don't go out of their way to please every customer, then there's no reason not to buy your games at Wal-Mart. That means they shoud stock enough games and drop the pre-order shit, and they should have a return policy that doesn't violate the laws of most states.

    2. Re:Um... by generic-man · · Score: 3, Informative

      In Florida, a woman's video games were stolen and then returned by the thief to EB for store credit. EB then resold the games in violation of Florida state law, which requires at least a 30-day wait to resell used goods.

      Ivan256, the original poster, used this one incident to imply that Electronics Boutique has a corporate directive to break the law.

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    3. Re:Um... by GamingEngineer · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The cool thing about smaller game shops like EB and Gamestop is that depending on the management and the area they are located in, you can sometimes find a genuinely cool atmosphere in them. They're also great for those hard-to-find older or niche titles that warehouse stores don't carry, because they don't move off the shelves fast enough.

      My only qualms with EB are the pushes to preorder something or buy an additional item. If you're a gamer, you usually know what you want when you walk in the store. I don't want pushy sales. If I buy a game at Target, I can just get the sales rep to open the glass case, hand me the game, and ring up the sale. That all depends on the management.

      The other thing I have an issue with is how EB has a habit of opening a new copy of a game to be able to put it on the display shelf. If it's the last copy in stock, they want to sell it to you at the price of a new game, even though the goo from the 5 stickers that have been put on the case and the discs that have just been kept in a drawer somewhere can put the game in a condition that can be worse than many used games. No thanks. Why not use electronic security devices or some other method?

    4. Re:Um... by r00td43m0n · · Score: 3, Interesting

      My only qualms with EB are the pushes to preorder something or buy an additional item. I have worked at Best Buy and now I currently work at EB. The reason EB does it (Best Buy as well) because helps increase items per transaction (IPT). We are tracked on that as well as Pre-Orders, Game Guarantees (1-year insurance) and other extras. "Pushing" these things is part of the job. I knew a few people that got fired from Best Buy for not "pushing" Magazines and PRPs (Product Replacement Plans). The other thing I have an issue with is how EB has a habit of opening a new copy of a game to be able to put it on the display shelf. We do this because we keep the boxes on the shelves so people who don't know about the game can see it on the shelf and see what it's about. If it's the last copy in stock...even though the goo from the 5 stickers that have been put on the case and the discs that have just been kept in a drawer somewhere... We put the stickers on the case because it is part of SOP (Standard Operating Procedure) that is set and required by the company. As for the games they are put in sleeves that are filed away with other games. We don't toss them bare into drawers. Why not use electronic security devices or some other method? Have you realized that most EB's are pretty tiny? Having to keep a plastic security case for each game and extra cases (for new games), plus whatever other inventory we have, would not leave us any space for the cardboard stands and other items we keep in back. Best Buy uses the plastic security cases and they take up a considerable amount of space, which most EB's don't have.

    5. Re:Um... by jayhawk88 · · Score: 3, Funny

      He means that EB issue a refund for a game that's been opened, so he can't burn a copy of Halo 2 and take it back for a full refund. Bastards.

  2. Sounds backwards by MBraynard · · Score: 4, Interesting
    EB has a higher market capitalization (1.354bil to 1.185bil), double the earnings per share, and from a consumer's point of view, a much better retail operation.

    So I wonder why it was Gamestop that took the initiative to issue a bunch of debt to buy EB?

    Given the co-operation of the EB people in the vote, it seems more like a merger than an acquasition.

    I really hope that EB doesn't get it's great service dilluted by GS's management.

  3. Consolidation != competition by EnronHaliburton2004 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Hopefully this will allow both chains to better compete with Wal-Mart and Best Buy for our gaming dollars."

    This may suprise you, but when chain stores consolidate, it rarely leads to more and good competition.

    Frequently, the reverse happens. The big chains simplify their inventory, reduce service, and only do the absolute minimum to compete with the likes of Wal Mart.

    Unfortunately, the consumers won't always shop elsewhere. There isn't always a convenient choice.

  4. 1:1 Gamestop to Starbucks Ratio? by lunarscape · · Score: 5, Funny

    My local mall already has TWO Gamestops and TWO EBs. Either some people are going to be out of jobs, or it's going to be hilarious seeing four Gamestops in one mall.

  5. Re:Buy online by SScorpio · · Score: 3, Informative
    Try out http://www.gogamer.com/.

    It has a great selection and awesome prices. The 48 -hour deals are also a great way to pickup some older gems that you originally passed on. While the shipping is $6, you can buy up to 3 games without any additional cost.

  6. Re:Consolidation !always= competition by cgenman · · Score: 4, Insightful

    In this case, though, the idea is valid. EB, Gamestop, and the rest of the specialty retailers are getting creamed by Walmart, Target, Kmart, Toys R Us, Best Buy, and the rest of the superstores. I can't specify numbers, but one could ignore the specialty retailers and still have quite healthy sales.

    In other words, EB / Gamestop / etc aren't competing with eachother, they're competing with the superstores. And they're losing. And they're in danger of disappearing.

    I've not been terribly happy with EB in the past 10 years, and their employees have been legendarily unhappy with corporate policies. I would much rather Funco have taken over EB, and not the reverse. But Funco was even more of a specialty store, catering to the used NES game crowd.

    In my not-so-humble opinion, EB / Gamespot need to work on getting more space, bigger aisles, and not cluttering their stores like they were libraries. Their stores are an intimidating wall of noise, noise which continues inside. Even if they're not going to go full Apple store sleek, they should at least go Suncoast. Simplifying their inventory might be a first step. I don't see how it would be possible for EB to reduce service any, short of slapping every customer that walks in the door. But reducing the noise and helping people to find good games (recommended section?) should be their first steps.

  7. Debunking a few things by Da+Rabid+Duckie · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I'd like to address some of the concerns people are having with this merger.

    1) Their customer service is going to change.
    - Not entirely true. I've worked at both EB and Gamestop, and EB has a strong and well-developed program in customer service and sales training while Gamestop has almost none (as of 2000). Once both companies sit down and analyze each other's practices it'd be logical to assume that EB's method of training will be incorporated. This is also backed by the fact that EB employees make more annually than Gamestop employees, and EB still turned a higher profit last year.

    As for the matter of the return policy, it changed because of copyright laws, not some corporate mandate.

    2) It's going to affect the used games market.
    - It should affect it at all, honestly. Rather, it should help stabilize it. There is a huge glut on the market as far as used product goes. Trade in prices are dictated by the amount the company has already vs the rate at which it's selling. That's why sports games trade in at such a low rate: once the current version comes out, previous versions get traded in at a huge rate and it devalues. Both companies rely on trades, so if trades stifled they would definitely addresss it, therefore it's safe to assume the prices would drop too.

    Btw, the $44.99 game likely had a trade in price of $25 to $35. This is how retailers like EB and Gamestop make profit. Average cost of a game is around $47. Companies like this can't keep their lights on just by selling hardware (which they sometimes lose money on) and new software. The profit margins from preowned is what keeps these companies afloat.

    Plus, with discount programs available, a preowned version of a new release being priced at $40 is actually a good deal sometimes (especially with BOGO sales).

    3) Gamestop is going to close stores in malls with multiple locations.
    - Again, this is not entirely true. Right now, an EB is open because it's getting business. If Gamestop closes a store because it is too close to another, it's a perfect opportunity for a competitor, say... Gamecrazy to move right in because they know that store gets traffic. As it stands, there are actually malls in America that have three EB stores in them, and they all get good traffic. I know there will be closings, but there will be many more openings.

    4) Prices will go up.
    - But they may go down. Prices are dictated by cost vs profits. Right now, the bulk quantity that EB and Gamestop purchase at gets a resulting cost of about $47 a game, as I mentioned earlier. Now, with some 3000+ stores in the US (more in Europe and Asia) Gamestop can now purchase games in a higher quantity, meaning a higher bulk discount and more profit from the $49.99 price point. If anything, it'd be an incentive for prices to stay where they are and more incentive to have sales on games.

    As an EB employee, I'm very optimistic about this merger. If nothing else, I at least made a quick 1k off of stock sales ;)

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  8. It's the employees by M.C.+Hampster · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Everytime I go into any of these little gaming specialty stores (GameStop, EB, GameCrazy), there's always the dude in there who has to bash my system. If I'm in there looking at Nintendo stuff, they'll tell me that Nintendo is dead. The other day I was in there just playing a demo and the two employees were talking loudly back and forth about how the Nintendo DS stood for "Nintendo Dead System". I kept thinking, "Wow, this really makes me want to buy my DS games here!".

    Perhaps they need to be screen out the fanboy's in their hiring process.

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  9. UPDATE! by alachua · · Score: 5, Funny

    Gamestop showed up to pick up their EB today, but were informed that since they didn't pre-order, there were none in stock for them. They were able to special order it, but it may be a few weeks.

    -Cliff

  10. One man can make a (bad) difference by superultra · · Score: 4, Informative

    For all the people that complain about EB, when I worked at EB (3+ years as an assistant manager), there were good, solid, friendly people who visited our store more than once a week. They loved us, and we loved them. These people had been customers since opening day. Our relationships with these people reminded me very much of how it must have been like to run a smalltown hardware store at the turn of the century; we did them good by working deals in their favor when we could, and they always came to us when they bought games. Basically, the way business should work.

    That all changed when they brought Steve Morgan on board, maybe a year after I'd been working there. Up to that point, EB had been essentially a family business. The board had hired people from inside the company to run itself. But Morgan was from a department store. I knew someone who was inside the company enough to have talked to Morgan, and Morgan was quoted as saying that he'd never played a game in his life and never would. He didn't have children, and never wanted them.

    Joe Firestone, on the other hand, was CEO when Morgan was brought on. This guy exemplified leadership. He'd write inspirational, funny columns in our mailbox newsletter every week. Think of a fireside chat for video game employees. He knew what it was like to be one of us, and his emphasis was always the customer.

    The first thing Morgan did was set quotas on the stores for selling Game Doctors. It went downhill from there. When I left, they were changing the return policy to a Best Buy variant (you breath on it and you cannot refund it). He revamped the training that focused less on customer relationships and more on the bottom line.

    Firestone retired soon after they brought Morgan onboard. Jeff Griffiths replaced him, but it was clear even to the 5 hour a week part time employee that he was a puppet for Morgan. I haven't been in EB for two years now, but I have no doubt that Morgan had something to do with this buyout. Only people from outside the company, who had no vested interest in the company itself, no history, would have sold out EB.

    It's sad, actually. Many of the things people complain about when they're talking about EB stem from Morgan's policies. Sure, EB has always had arrogant assholes behind the counter or "unfair" trade-in values, but the underlying philosophy is now (obviously) completely different. The customers were first. Likewise, under Firestone, employees were treated fairly well and with respect. That started to change when Morgan came in.

    Morale of the story? Watch out for outsiders coming in, because they don't give a damn about anything except their own stock values - especially not the customer.

    I can't help but think that this decision hurts the people it really shouldn't hurt: the customers (who no have no choice or direct competition), and the hard working EB employees who will no doubt have to fend for their own jobs against longtime Gamestop employees. You think the clueless employees are bad now? Wait until EB/Gamestop starts to resemble the only competition they have left: Best Buy and Walmart. My guess is that the internal employee relations will reflect the same practices as Best Buy and Walmart too.

    Get out, video game store employees, while you can.