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Turing's Original Test Played First Time Ever

aykroyd writes "Students at Simon's Rock College conducted the original test that Turing suggested in his 1950 paper, Computing Machinery and Intelligence. Often misunderstood, the Turing Test has never actually been conducted as laid out in his paper. The experiment utilized a program called A.L.I.C.E., which is designed to hold one end of an interactive conversation. The program was provided by the ALICE Artificial Intelligence Foundation. Dr. Richard Wallace, who was on hand during the experiment to troubleshoot the AI robot, later gave a lecture about it called "The Anatomy of A.L.I.C.E." and also blogged the event."

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  1. Must be over 18? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Is our world SO screwed up that there is an age restriction on talking?

  2. Live Gender Guessing Game by mrRay720 · · Score: 1, Insightful

    What is it with computer ners and doing things the long complicated way? If you want to tell if someone is male or female, it's much easier to do it in person than over a computer. Heck if you insist on using a computer at least give yourself a headstart and use webcams.

    Anyway, isn't the idea that a good AI is indistinguishable from a female just a little bit.... sexist?

  3. So where's the results? by gyg · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What's the point of proclaiming proudly that "a test has been conducted" without outlining the results? TFA refers vaguely to a forthcoming paper - WTF?
    If there's anything interesting about the story, it's how successful the judges were with M/F vs. AI/F pairs - and as far as I can see, there's no data whatsoever of this kind.

    Am I missing something?

  4. AI by gowen · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "I propose to consider the question, `Can machines think?'" -- Alan Turing

    "The question of whether a computer can think is no more interesting than the question of whether a submarine can swim." -- Edsger W. Dijkstra.

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    1. Re:AI by gowen · · Score: 2, Insightful
      They are similar questions, and I think they both have similar answers -- IMHO it depends where you choose to draw the line, because there's no natural border.
      Well. Err. Yes. And, furthermore, that's self-evidently Djikstra's entire point. Sheesh.
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    2. Re:AI by Vellmont · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I think you've missed the point. What Dijkstra was trying to point out is that the question itself isn't an interesting one. In the analogy we know what a submarine does exactly. Is that swimming? Who cares? It doesn't give us any more information or insight into anything. In both cases it comes down to defining what we mean by swimming, or thinking. If that's the case, why ask the question? Maybe those questions are interesting to a dictionary writer, or linguist, but it's irrelevant to a computer scientist.

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  5. Re:Make it more challenging... by earthbound+kid · · Score: 2, Insightful
    self-persecution

    Yeah, I thought it was kind of weird how Turing ordered the British government to order him to take hormone therapy too. Strange, huh? Why would a guy in charge of the British government, have the government order him to do stuff that drove him to insane despair?

    Well, I guess we'll never know.

    (I know, I know, don't feed the trolls.)
  6. Turning's Test is used all the time by anoiniminious+cowher · · Score: 2, Insightful

    To Create a /. (or Yahoo!, Gmail, etc.) account, you need to pass a Turing Test.

  7. Re:Make it more challenging... by mankey+wanker · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I think we should persecute people of ambiguous or alternative sexual orientation because all they have contributed to civilization is nearly the whole of western culture via the ancient Greeks. And nothing excuses Turning himself being pivotal in the cracking of the Enigma code and developing a whole host of computer theories and ideas. We must burn these people out of our culture because of their failure to contribute to society in the genetically prescribed manner!

    Where's my lithium...

  8. Turing's Original Test Played First Time Ever by chrisnewbie · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Whta's botheirng me is people are trying to get an intelligent conversation between human and machine and they are making no effort whatsoever to bridge the gap that already exist between human beings.

    Seems to me we should concentrate on mastering intelligent discussion between all humanity before turning to computers for companionship.

  9. Turing's "test" was a reductio ad absurdum by hqm · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The original poster of this message is totally misinterpreting the spirit and intent of Turing's proposed 'test'.

    Turing did propose this test as some sort of threshold of intelligence. What he was arguing was more of a playful jest. He was saying that if you had a system which could carry on a conversation indistinguishable from a human ,and the critics *still* denied that it was intelligent, then the critics were simply incapable of accepting that a machine could ever be intelligent. That would apply to John Searle and his pathetic "Chinese Room" as well.

    Turing's 'test' was a mind experiment to reduce the religious and other ignorant criticisms of machine intelligence to their absurd extreme. Passing Turing's test is sufficient but not necessary to demonstrate useful levels of intelligence.

  10. Double blinded test by houghi · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I hope they use the double blind test as in 1 test with ALICE and one without. Naturaly the testes should not be aware who is what. That way you can see how many false positives and false negatives there are.

    How many people will be identiefied as a computer?

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  11. Re:Make it more challenging... by WaterBreath · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I'd check your facts on that troll, unless all those black males are gay, which I highly doubt.

    Although I am also dubious of the factuality of the statement, I'd hesitate to call it a troll unless I could show he was actually wrong and that he had no intention of checking his facts.

    Now, with that behind me, your statement about black males introduces a completely new set of questions. Are black males actually physically more susceptible, or do they just have more sex than the other demographics? If one of those is true, then the statistic itself bears no evidence of falsity in the statement that homosexual sex transmits AIDS more effectively.

  12. Re:Bots in the wild != controlled experimentation by blincoln · · Score: 2, Insightful

    After all, why would you expect to be able to tell the difference between a male and female chat participant in the first place?

    It isn't sexist to realize that because of our culture as well as genetic factors, there are generally speaking differences in the way women and men communicate.

    I doubt it could ever be reduced to an equation, and it's certainly not foolproof. I know girls that IM and email in a way that reminds me of guys and vice-versa. This is especially true if the guy has a personality with aspects Western culture considers effeminate, or if the girl has has a more traditionally masculine personality.

    I also doubt that current technology could really replicate that in terms of creating a chatbot that could incorporate those sometimes subtle differences effectively.

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  13. Re:Answer by StikyPad · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ALICE is the *real* female -- she can't stop arguing and she's better at it.

    That's only because men have the distinct handicap of using arguments that make sense.