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Offshoring to a Ship in International Waters

JasdonLe writes "Sourcing Mag posted an article about Roger Green and David Cook, who hope to avoid US visa regulations that usually accompany outsourcing, with their company SeaCode, and a used cruise ship, sitting in international waters three miles off the coast of Los Angeles.""

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  1. Should we wait... by rk · · Score: 5, Informative

    until they anchor it three miles off the coast to tell them the US claims territorial waters twelve nautical miles off the coast?

    1. Re:Should we wait... by MasterB(G)ates · · Score: 5, Informative

      yep - check out this info. 3 Miles is wayyy too close http://www.encyclopedia.com/html/w1/waters-t.asp

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  2. They need to do their homework... by Bagheera · · Score: 5, Informative

    "International waters" don't start three miles off-shore. The US maritime claims are as follows:

    Maritime claims:
    territorial sea: 12 nm
    contiguous zone: 24 nm
    exclusive economic zone: 200 nm
    continental shelf: not specified


    In other words, they'd have to be at least 12 miles from shore, and possibly (depending on who's doing the interpretation) over 200.

    Also, as far as I'm aware, the ship will have to be flagged somewhere, which means that it's effectively that country's territory when in international waters.

    Someones tax man will find them.

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  3. Re:International waters by mrgriscom · · Score: 4, Informative

    First of all, the 3-nmi line serves only as the boundary between state- and federally-controlled waters. The end of federal jurisdiction and the beginning of International waters actually occurs at the line 12 nautical miles from shore.

    The official 3- and 12-nmi lines are demarcated on the highest-resolution NOAA charts for a particular area. These charts can be hard to find on-line, though it is possible to find certain areas though various state GIS websites and such. I also think the NOAA is systematically making vector data of the lines available.

    In the case of Catalina Island, it has it's own 12-nmi belt of territorial sea, but the space between it and the mainland (so long as it is at least 12 nmi from either shore) is International waters.

    There is a belt extending 24-nmi from shore called the "Contiguous Zone", in which a nation may exercize authority mainly to enforce environment and customs regulations. This area is still considered Internation waters, however.

  4. Re:Should we wait... Gues they better tell CIA too by xski · · Score: 5, Informative


    CIA Factbook

    Maritime claims:
    territorial sea: 12 nm
    contiguous zone: 24 nm
    exclusive economic zone: 200 nm
    continental shelf: not specified

  5. Re:Is it April Fools Day? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    As was aluded to in the parent post, getting a tourist visa is only trivial if you come from certain countries. Try getting one as a Chilean, for example. You do have to have an interview at the US consulate, and unless you have a steady, well paying job there, have money in the bank, and either substantial property, or something similar that indicates that you will return, the US simply won't give you even a tourist visa. My ex GF in Chile tried many times to get a tourist visa to visit me in the US, but was denied, because she was still a university student, without a good job. This wasn't an isolated case, either. I lived in Chile for a while, and many Chileans there told me how their applications for US tourist visas had been turned down.

  6. Re:How about a pot farm supertanker by SEE · · Score: 4, Informative

    The Convention on the Law of the Sea prohibits four classes of crimes on the high seas (that is, in so-called international waters):

    1) Transportation of slaves
    2) Piracy (private acts of violence, detention, or depredation)
    3) Illicit traffic in narcotic drugs or psychotropic substances
    4) Unauthorized broadcasting

    Now, only 1 and 2 allow a boarding by any nation regardless of the ship's flag (though 4 allows any nation receiving the signals or interference from them to board). However, all countries are obligated to cooperate in the supression of all four; somebody will call your ship's flag country and get their cooperation.

    What if your ship isn't under any country's flag? Well, ships without nationality are subject to boarding at any time by any nation, merely for being without nationality.

    On the oceans, the only times you are not subject to the laws of one country are when you're subject to the laws of more than one country; the only times you are not subject to the laws of a specific country or countries is when you are subject to the laws of any country.

  7. Re:Is it April Fools Day? by DavidTC · · Score: 5, Informative
    Yeah, I think people are confused as to how 'international waters' works.

    Ships have to sale under the flag of a nation. If they do so, they are legally part of that nation, and have to heave to and let the coast guard and navy of that nation board. They can be punished for crimes committed.

    It's just that a lot of crimes are state or local crimes in the US, and don't exist at sea, and of course unless you're on a cruise ship, there's no one to enforce laws anyway. But try to get away with murder and claim you're in international waters...

    The other option is to sale under no flag. At which point you're a pirate vessel, you can't dock anywhere except a few quasilegal ports, and not only can any military board you, they can legally just sink you if they feel like it. (Legally according to international law, that is. Possibly not according to their own law.)

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  8. The Boat is sitting is US Waters by FreeUser · · Score: 4, Informative

    "Staff can make the three-mile voyage into town in their off hours by calling a water taxi."

    I smell something rotten here. Specifically the usage of the word "staff".


    I smell a number of things rotten here, including the fact that the "entrepreneur" (or article writer) hasn't a fucking clue about international waters, which extend twelve miles from shore, not 3. This is the 21st century, not the 19th, and maritime law may not have changed much, but the definition of "international waters" has.

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