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Apollo 13 Engineers to be Honored

sconeu writes "Yahoo! News is carrying a story that the engineers who helped save the crew of Apollo 13 will be honored by GlobalSpec. The article mentions the jury rigged air scrubbers, and gives duct tape its due." Here is our coverage of the 35th anniversary.

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  1. The real hero was of course by beders · · Score: 5, Funny

    An inanimate carbon rod

  2. Obligatory duct tape joke by gowen · · Score: 5, Funny

    Duct tape is like The Force. It has a light side, a dark side, and it's used to bind the universe together.

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    1. Re:Obligatory duct tape joke by telecsan · · Score: 2, Insightful

      At least with Duct Tape, the light side and dark side are always in equal proportion.

    2. Re:Obligatory duct tape joke by TheHawke · · Score: 2, Funny

      Until you mangle a strip by jamming the sticky sides together, then it's all DARK!

      I hate when that happens...

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  3. Who? by FTL · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Who the heck are GlobalSpec? Is it news when some random company decides to award someone famous? Can I get also get front-page Slashdot story if my company gives "a crystal globe" to Linus Torvalds and/or Bill Gates?

    No criticism to the Apollo 13 engineers. What they did was amazing. But what's this story got to do with them?

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    1. Re:Who? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Who the heck are GlobalSpec [globalspec.com]?
      They are, according to themselves "The Engineering Search Engine".
      Is it news when some random company decides to award someone famous? Can I get also get front-page Slashdot story if my company gives "a crystal globe" to Linus Torvalds and/or Bill Gates?
      No you probably wont get front page Slashdot publicity if you try and do something similar to what Globalspec has done. If only because they thought of it before you did. Unfortunately, for your company, this is how the world works.
    2. Re:Who? by gowen · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Who the heck are GlobalSpec?
      They're an engineering company. They make motors, bearing, compressors and the like. This is simultaneously
      i) a publicity stunt for themselves
      ii) an attempt to improve the standing of engineering (and engineers) as a profession.
      Is it news when some random company decides to award someone famous?
      Apparently so.
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    3. Re:Who? by artifex2004 · · Score: 3, Informative
      They're an engineering company.


      Actually,

      "GlobalSpec is a rapidly growing B-to-B, Internet-based, 'media-model' business linking buyers and sellers in the $500 billion electrical, mechanical and optical products markets."

      You must have mistaken their front page search links to mean they actually had something to do with those things?

      They do seem to be good at generating hot air and pageviews with press releases, anyway.
    4. Re:Who? by houghi · · Score: 5, Funny

      Can I get also get front-page Slashdot story if my company gives "a crystal globe" to Linus Torvalds and/or Bill Gates?

      No, but give either/both an enema and it will be frontpage news.

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  4. Duct tape saves the day by kiljin · · Score: 5, Funny

    Now we just have to figure out how to use duct tape to convert from english to metric units.

  5. Thing I'd like to know is... by Smiffa2001 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    ...why the air scrubbers were different shapes in the first place? Was it because of an engineering reason (room/volume to fit into) or because two different teams were working on the designs of the two modules? Seems daft that on essentially the same spacecraft, there are two devices that do the same job with different designs. It's always bothered me...

    That aside, it is good to see these guys being recognised.

    1. Re:Thing I'd like to know is... by jonwil · · Score: 4, Informative

      The command module was build by North American Aviation and the Lunar Module was built by Grumman Aerospace.
      So it could well be the case that since 2 different companies built the 2 different air systems, they used 2 different shapes of CO2 filters because no-one bothered to make them the same (after all, it didnt matter much at the time)

    2. Re:Thing I'd like to know is... by macpeep · · Score: 4, Informative

      Because the command module was made by a different company than the lunar module and nobody thought about coordinating / unifying components between the two since nobody ever envisioned that there would actually be any need to use parts from one as spare parts for the other.

      Contrary to popular belief, NASA does very little itself. Pretty much everything is done by subcontractors.

    3. Re:Thing I'd like to know is... by CausticPuppy · · Score: 4, Funny

      done by subcontractors

      And not just any subcontractors, mind you... but the lowest bidders. :-)

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    4. Re:Thing I'd like to know is... by Steven+Edwards · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yes I laugh whenever I hear/read someone bitch about lowest bidders on a contract. The most impressive enginering feats were done with slave labor. Throwing money at a problem solves nothing.

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    5. Re:Thing I'd like to know is... by Illserve · · Score: 4, Funny

      The obvious answer is because the entire thing was a hoax. Ron Howard was contacted at the time (he was already 15 and NASA computers predicted he would be a great film director) and asked what would make his movie (already planned for production in 1995 back in the 70's) dramatic, and he came up with this idea.

      It should also be pointed out that Tom Hanks is a robot specifically made to star in Apollo 13, which explains his meteoric rise to acting stardom. In fact, Bosom Buddies was created to serve as his vehicle by NASA.

      NASA has more plans in place for both Ron and Tom in further upcoming movies about the "moon landings". Just you wait.

    6. Re:Thing I'd like to know is... by Daniel+Dvorkin · · Score: 2, Informative

      The most impressive enginering feats were done with slave labor.

      Please name some of these feats. If you're thinking of the Pyramids, BTW, you're wrong.

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  6. Damn it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny
    "the jury rigged air scrubbers"

    I knew they didn't get a fair trial...

  7. Good training and preparedness by GomezAdams · · Score: 5, Interesting
    One of the processes of setting up any critical mission whether for space or here below is doing the 'what if' drills. As a former submariner we trained to do our jobs under normal circumstances, then drilled even more for doing that job and several others under duress. Same with the space program. They have procedures for every almost every contingency and drill the crew and staff untl they could handle stress and deliver.

    Bravo to them and the Apollo 13 crew. Well done!

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    1. Re:Good training and preparedness by sgant · · Score: 2, Interesting

      What's even more impressive is that the problems with Apollo 13 weren't even simulated...hell, they weren't even thought about. It's amazing that they all got together and actually solved the problem by winging most of it.

      All with computer systems with less power than the C64 and slide-rules...and yes, duct-tape!

      I'm in awe of these guys.

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    2. Re:Good training and preparedness by peshewa · · Score: 2, Informative
      Actually, they did simulate almost this exact scenario. In fact, as a simulator exercise for Apollo 10 they "failed" the fuel cells at almost exactly the same point in the flight where they failed on Apollo 13.


      The "LEM as a lifeboat" scenario was pretty thoroughly considered a few times. While they did have some "real-time problems" to solve, the general approach had been worked out ahead of time.

    3. Re:Good training and preparedness by orac2 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Actually, if you read the original article in Spectrum, you'll see that a lot of it was simulated: in particular critical lifeboat procedures (including the important power-the-CSM-from-the-LM-through-the-umbilicals bit) were developed after an Apollo 10 sim where three fuel cells were failed at almost the same point that they did on 13.

      And they did have a bunch of mainframes on the ground for the heavy lifting with the trajectory calculations.

      While there was some brilliant improvisation (the LM controllers hack to power up the LM for example), the controllers were by no mean 'winging it': thanks to leadership, teamwork, dedication and skill, when it came to crunch time, they'd already had a lot of the work done.

      Disclaimer: I'm the author of the Spectrum article!

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    4. Re:Good training and preparedness by EvanED · · Score: 2, Informative

      Actually, if you read the original article in Spectrum, you'll see that a lot of it was simulated: in particular critical lifeboat procedures (including the important power-the-CSM-from-the-LM-through-the-umbilicals bit) were developed after an Apollo 10 sim where three fuel cells were failed at almost the same point that they did on 13.

      I'll add to this another example:

      In the movie the over-dramatized manual burn is proceeded by Tom Hanks figuring out that they can use the Earth's terminator as a reference point they would be able to burn, an idea that fully escaped Houston.

      In real life, the whole (or at least most of the) procedure was tested during Apollo 8, which, coincidentally, Lovell was also on. When 13 was faced with that problem, Mission Control called up the procedure to 13, and Lovell responeded with something like "hey, that sounds like what we did on Apollo 8", and Mission Control responded "we were wondering if you would recognize that."

      The movie is pretty accurate if you ignore the things that are pretty much obviously dramatized (VERY accurate by Hollywood standards), but you should still read up on what happened, for things that are both changed and left out of the movie. I can't speak to the quality of the Spectrum article because I haven't read it (sorry!), but I strongly recommend Lovell's book. Depending on when it was printed and whether you have paperback or hardcover, it might be titled either Lost Moon or Apollo 13; in either case, it served as the basis for the movie.

  8. Engineering 101 by jag2k · · Score: 5, Funny

    No engineering project is complete unless it's held together by copious amounts of duct tape. No exceptions.

  9. Re:damned grammar. by bobstaff · · Score: 2, Informative

    Jury-rigged or Jerry-rigged are both valid with slightly different meanings http://www.yaelf.com/aueFAQ/mifjrrybltjryrggd.shtm l

  10. Good Idea by lbmouse · · Score: 4, Funny

    Congratulations to the Apollo 13 engineers.

    They should do something like this every year. They have the Grammies, Emmys, etc., why not the Nerdies? They could use Slashdot sections as the categories.

  11. Wow... did you take the time to look that up first by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Because a quick search of bartelby.com would let you know that "jerry-rig" and "jury-rig" are valid terms, with "jerry-rig" implying shoddier work. Make sure you're right before you flame next time.

  12. Great quote about duct tape... by tyroneking · · Score: 4, Funny

    "One thing a Southern boy will never say is, 'I don't think duct tape will fix it.'"
    That's so cool, but obviously means I'll never want to visit the South without my own personal surgeon.

  13. Re:Duct tape.. by thevoice · · Score: 3, Interesting

    For that kind of industrial strength goodness you need gaffer tape.

    I've seen doors hinged on that stuff alone, it leaves duct tape for dead.

  14. Re:damned grammar. by Bush+Pig · · Score: 4, Informative

    No. It's "jury rigged" and "jerry built".

    "Jury rigged" implies a kludge that allows you to survive (say, if your ship got dismasted, or something). "Jerry built" applies mostly to extremely poorly built houses (the kind that has mortar made of flour paste).

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  15. Re:The term is jerry rig by Silver+Sloth · · Score: 2, Informative
    From dictionary.com (and my childhood)

    jury-rig (jr-rg) tr.v. jury-rigged, jury-rigging, jury-rigs

    To rig or assemble for temporary emergency use; improvise: The survivors of the wreck jury-rigged some fishing gear.

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  16. Houston We('ve) ha(d/ve) a problem? by McFadden · · Score: 5, Interesting
    What I found most interesting from the Yahoo! article was the "Houston we've had a problem" quote. Assuming the journalist has done his homework (and a quick Google search would indicate that he probably has), it's interesting that the phrase "Houston we have a problem" seems to be the one that has entered the public consciousness (or at least amongst the crowd that I hang out with).

    As for which was uttered on Apollo 13, I think the latter phrase is the one that accompanied the eponymous movie about the troubled flight (IMDB confirms this) and so has become more well known amongst a certain generation than the original.

    As someone who used to teach English, hats off to Swigert, who in his moment of crisis used the more appropriate present perfect tense (have + past participle) to suggest an incident that happened in the (recent) past but is still (extremely) relevant now.

    Sorry.... I really should get out more.

    McF

    1. Re:Houston We('ve) ha(d/ve) a problem? by peshewa · · Score: 5, Informative
      From the actual air-to-ground transcript:

      02 07 53 12 CMP Okay. Stand by.
      02 07 55 19 LMP Okay, Houston - -
      02 07 55 20 CDR I believe we've had a problem here.
      02 07 55 28 CC This is Houston. Say again, please.
      02 07 55 35 CDR Houston, we've had a problem. We've had a MAIN B BUS UNDERVOLT.
      02 07 55 42 CC Roger. MAIN B UNDERVOLT.

    2. Re:Houston We('ve) ha(d/ve) a problem? by orac2 · · Score: 2, Informative

      A note of caution: as Sy Liebergot says (the White EECOM on 13), says, you can't always trust the transcripts.

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  17. Re:The term is jerry rig by Junior+J.+Junior+III · · Score: 2, Informative

    It's a common corruption of the term. GIs weren't always known for their spelling prowess.

    Incidently, Google returns 173,000 hits for "jerry rig", while coming up with only 109,000 for "jury rig".

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  18. How about we honor them... by DaGoodBoy · · Score: 2, Funny

    ...by putting the engineering plans and documentation on the Internet! Then we can build some and make a Beowulf cluster... oh wait.

    DaGoodBoy

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  19. What about the engineer... by ch-chuck · · Score: 2, Funny

    who put the 12 volt oxygen tank heater in a 72 volt circuit? I'd like to know what happened to that guy ;)

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  20. Re:The term is jerry rig by Silver+Sloth · · Score: 2, Informative

    But the term is far older than WWII. It was in common usage in the British navy in the 1700s. One posible origin is the old Frence 'ajurie' - to help.

    Sorry - you're WWII origin is an urban myth.

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  21. I was the film but can't remember by jago25_98 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Guess it was a while ago but I can't remember how they did it. That's Tom Hanks for you.

    As a result here's my executive summary:

    - oxygen tank exploded
    - 2 of 3 fuel cells lost
    "Houston, we've had a problem."

    - Ed Smylie, engineer at home watching TV disaster rushes into the centre
    - O2 buildup fixable with lithium hydroxide canisters to help CO2 buildup...
    but some of the backup square canisters were not compatible with the round openings in the lunar module

    "If you saw the movie (`Apollo 13'), it wasn't like that," Smylie said, adding there wasn't any hollering and screaming. "Everything is pretty calm, cool and collected in our business."

    - used duck-tape to convert the backup square canisters to fit the round lunar module fittings

    - this allowed the astronauts to breath just that little bit longer

  22. Long Overdue... by IdJit · · Score: 3, Interesting

    These guys deserved special recognition decades ago. What they did for those guys up there was nothing short of remarkable, especially in a highly dangerous environment such as space, and most remarkably with the fledgling technology they had available.

    Kudos to the often-uncelebrated ground crew and their determination to get Lovell and crew back safely.

  23. What about the... by dayid · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Ahem, what about the Central Floridian Middle-School Teacher who took out his astronomy class to chart stars, and found out that if NASA had "fired the thrusters" at the time they had planned to - because they had charted the moon's alignment improperly - would've completely missed the mood and sent these guys spinning out into the middle of no where?

    I mean, I figured when the movie came out that no one was going to mention that little "goof up" that NASA had - you know, it's not all good having your measurements and projections corrected by some teacher and his students from a junior high school while they're out stargazing with whatever telescopes their money could buy them - but I would love to see this at least mentioned somewhere.

    They each got a certificate and I think even perhaps a hand-shake.

    Ah, the little forgotten unsung heros of history.

    P.S. Yes, I do rant about this everytime anything with Apollo 13 comes up in conversation.

  24. Its obvious... by DeathByDuke · · Score: 2, Funny

    ...the Apollo engineers had been watching too much MacGyver.

  25. Re:Ob. QDB ref by telecsan · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Duct Tape can be used for all sorts of neat things... duck tape, otoh, should only be used on Ducks. Well, I guess I'll leave that as an exercise for the reader.

  26. A Top Ten Geek Movie by theonetruekeebler · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Apollo 13 is easily one of the ten best geek movies out there. I really and truly admired the engineers the film portrayed---they were clever and resourceful, kluging up a solution to a life-threatening problem tens of thousands of miles away.

    The reason this is such a wonderful geek film is that there is no bad guy. No evil to overcome. It's not even man versus nature. It's man versus The Problem, and man, brandishing a slide rule and some duct tape, triumphs.

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  27. Re:News? by AviLazar · · Score: 3, Funny

    When I first read this article on /. I was about to make a post "uhm hasn't this already been posted on /. before?" Then I realized I had read it on CNN one or two days ago...

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