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Will America's Favorite Technology Go Dark?

Ant wrote to mention that MSNBC is reporting on the upcoming proposed digital television switchover planned for the end of 2006. From the article: "That's the date Congress targeted, a decade ago, for the end of analog television broadcasting and a full cutover to a digital format. If enforced, that means that overnight, somewhere around 70 million television sets now connected to rabbit ears or roof-top antennas will suddenly and forever go blank, unless their owners purchase a special converter box. Back when the legislation was written, New Year's Eve 2006 probably looked as safely distant as the dark side of the moon. But now that date is right around the corner and Congress and the FCC are struggling mightily to figure out what to do."

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  1. A suggestion maybe by hyu · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Perhaps they should delay the switchover if they're not ready.

    1. Re:A suggestion maybe by Dal+Platinum · · Score: 5, Funny

      Delays will make them look weak. There is no room for weakness in the analog-digital marketplace.

    2. Re:A suggestion maybe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      We're doing this in Germany right now. Some areas with high population density have already been switched to entirely digital distribution over the air. There is a difference however: Only a small percentage of viewers was receiving TV programming over the air anyways. Most viewers have cable (mostly analog) or satellite (mostly digital), so they were not affected by the switchover.

      DVB-S(atellite) is very popular, so we're used to set top boxes. DVB-T(errestrial) is very similar technology, so the receivers are already in the same price range (starting at about $65).

      If you delay this, you'll just be in the same situation some years down the road. Without setting a date and sticking to it, nothing gets done.

    3. Re:A suggestion maybe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Analog TV emission is wasteful. Spectrum is a scarce resource (at least the ranges which are well-suited for long distances) and digital transmission makes much better use of it. Spectrum is also a public resource, and some of us don't want to see it being wasted any longer. Your right to use outdated technology collides with my right to put the frequencies to better use.

    4. Re:A suggestion maybe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Tinfoil hat nothing, practical reality. TV is the opiate of the masses in this country. Watch, it will be extended. Money means nothing if you have millions disconnected from the indoctrination engine.

    5. Re:A suggestion maybe by LoadWB · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I have to agree with the parent, and think it should be moded up. This isn't a tin-foil hat situation, this is political economics, pure and simple.

      However, I think about stories a friend of mine tells me of days he worked as an installer for Cox Communications... going into trailer homes which were missing floors to install digital cable. So you take away analogue transmissions; rabbit ears and roof-top antennaes no longer work. That's okay, because the poor will still believe they NEED television, for whatever reason. Be it to escape the ugly reality of class-separation induced poverty or whatever, they won't be able to subside without the daily drama of someone else's life which is better or worse than their's; without the daily cramming of horrible news from around the world; without the daily reminder that their country is the greatest on Earth, so says the President. So on and so forth.

      So, they'll spend whatever little money they can scrape together to buy the three main necessities: cigarettes, alcohol, and TV. Food, shelter, transportation -- those all come into the view later on. But by God, it's down-right un-American not to have TV.

      That's enough of my un-thought-out rant.

      Personally, I'll be fine with no longer being able to use my analogue TV one day in the far future. (2006 affects over-the-air, right? When does analogue cable go the way-side?) I have stayed away from digital cable because I don't want another friggin' box on my entertainment stand, and another piece of equipment complicating my already complex system (select VCR, then put the TV to Input 1, but you can't use the TV volume here unless you actually use it as a tuner, but if you select DVD, you have to...)

      But aside from that, which is really a minor issue, I consider getting rid of cable every time the bill comes due. I don't watch any prime-time network shows because I just can't handle the brain-rot. Phuqn "reality" shows just annoy the hell out of me, and I just can't bring myself to follow any of the shows currently running. I enjoy well-written shows which make me think, all across the board of drama to comedy, investigatory society, etc. Well, I have to admit that some of these real-life video shows (read that as unscripted reality, I guess) do provide some entertainment, but I could easily, and happily, live without them.

      ComCast used to call me every so often to pitch digital cable. I'd ask why I would want it, and hear "well, it adds two hundred channels!" Great, that's 195 new channels that I won't watch, so why in the hell would I want to pay for service, installation, set-top decoder, etc.?

      Perhaps I am robbing myself of some great experiences and entertainment, but it just doesn't seem that way. Blah.

    6. Re:A suggestion maybe by indifferent+children · · Score: 5, Insightful
      If the government didn't mandate format and frequency standards, your TV stations would step all over each others' signal, and you would need to buy a new TV if you switched cable companies (just like you have to buy a new cell phone when you switch cell companies; just like you have to have a different cable-box for different cable companies, and your TiVo can't decode premium channels without a stupid IR-blaster (until we get the new FCC mandated CableCard equipment)).

      The free market is not the answer to every question.

      --
      Censorship is telling a man he can't have a steak just because a baby can't chew it. --Mark Twain
    7. Re:A suggestion maybe by badasscat · · Score: 5, Insightful

      What "situation"? The point is that it's not really important whether we switch or not. It's just television.

      The problem is it's not just television. This is about freeing up radio spectrum for other things (like wireless communications), which is the entire point in changing over to digital TV in the first place, and the reason why the change was mandated rather than allowed to "happen organically". TV stations were given the extra spectrum required for DTV OTA broadcasts with the understanding that they would switch off their analog broadcasts at a certain date. There is no good reason I can see for allowing TV stations to hog all that spectrum, duplicating channels, for an unspecified period of time.

      Maybe not enough has been done to promote the switchover - obviously, there are some people even on Slashdot who don't understand why the switchover is even important. But it is, and it has to happen. I don't know what the solution is, but I wouldn't be averse to simply letting things go and seeing those "70 million" TV's go dark. (I doubt there are nearly that many analog-only sets receiving OTA broadcasts still in use anyway - are we counting analog sets hooked up to digital cable boxes like mine, as well as analog sets that are just sitting in a closet doing nothing? My guess is yes).

      I'm a little sick of luddites deciding matters of technology policy for the entire country. This would be the equivalent of forcing our phone system to continue to support the telegraph at the expense of voice communications because a few people still used it. At some point, you say enough is enough and force an upgrade for the good of the rest of the world.

  2. Struggling mightily by Dancin_Santa · · Score: 5, Funny

    Like the brave Ithacans who faced down the deadly cyclops, these legislators are facing down the awful realities of trying to legislate technological progress. And like the Ithacans, they are getting their heads dashed against the rocks and eaten.

  3. Subsidize? by TWooster · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Well, the government had either lift the regulation or start subsidizing these sets somehow. Oh wait, that comes out of our taxpayer money... For the people by the people my ass if this goes through without some kind of recompense. The market simply isn't ready for it...

    But on the bright side, what a way to get your average Joe to take a look at the government and the way it operates than to turn off his idiot tube. Not that this regulation was all bad -- it was to spur on development. Would that they'd do away wth IP patents in the same way.

    We'll see. In this case, the revolution may really NOT be televised.

  4. Already happening over here... by lxt · · Score: 5, Interesting

    ...in the UK, this is already happening, region by region - even though the official switchover isn't until 2008 or so. The first switchover was to a small area of Wales (with a smallish population), who decided by public vote (around 95% in favour) to switch off the analogue transmissions completely. I think my area (south west england/south wales) is scheduled next, although not for a year or so. Obviously, it's a lot easier to provide digital signals to the whole of the UK than it is to the entire of the US.

    Of course, it's also to the UK (and I guess the US's) government's benefit, since by switching off early they can sell of the frequencies earlier, and get cash sooner.

  5. TV sets by Heian-794 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    These TVs aren't exactly obsolete -- they can still function as monitors for game systems, video tapes, DVDs, etc., etc. The question is how expensive these converter boxes will be. I might be willing to shell out the money for one of those, attach it to the oldest functioning TV set I can find, and have a nice retro piece.

  6. Damn the media by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Keep in mind, the original legislation did state that 85% of the TV viewership must be on digital TV before they will simply turn it off: "Under federal law, analog service will continue until most homes (85%) in an area are able to watch the DTV programming." (from http://www.dtv.gov/consumercorner.html#needanewtv) MSNBC is just making news of a moot point. Granted, they mentioned this in the text, too: "That's where the Congressional loophole comes in. Congress can ignore the end-of-2006 cut-off if fewer than 85 percent of households have digital television sets." I really hate the media.

  7. Re:The reason no one is switching over by rpjs · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Being British, but married to an American, I used to subscribe to the "of course British TV is better" point of view, but I have to say that in recent years, the quality of US programming has got better and better and British programming, has tended to get worse and worse.

    Having said that, the sheer amount of advertising on US tv is quite jaw-dropping, and I hate the way they cut straight from the programme to the ad without any "end of part 1" malarky like we still have. US tv news is on the whole worse than the UK's I'd say, although it is good to see truly local TV news unlike the pathertic excuse for it we have in the UK.

    [1] although I do think the BBBC has been getting rather better of late [2]
    [2] contrast though to the howling wasteland ITV has become

  8. It's about plugging the analog hole by Christian+Engstrom · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Perhaps they should delay the switchover if they're not ready.

    Oh, but "they" are as ready as they can be.

    The driving force behind the legislation to abolish analog TV is the big media companies, who want to "plug the analog hole". That's why this is happening simultaneously in most of the industrialized world, despite the fact that no consumers have asked for it anywhere.

    Their motive isn't to give you better quality pictures or (God forbid!) more choice. They want to force everybody to switch to digital because only digital technologies support strong DRM restrictions.

    They can't retroactively change the court cases from the 70's that declared it legal to record TV shows on video for your own use. But by introducing new technology that makes it impossible to do so, they can make the legal point moot.

    And by switching from analog to digial, they move away from the legal area where a reasonable balance has been struck between the interests of consumers and copyright holders, and into DMCA territory, where you're more or less classified as a terrorist if you even try to tamper with the copy protection.

    I apologize for being so dystopian.

    --
    Christian Engström, Former Member of the European Parliament 2009-2014 for The Pirate Party, Sweden
  9. Re:Who really wanted HDTV? by Dachannien · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This isn't about picture quality. It's about phasing out spectrum-hogging analog signals in favor of digital signals so the FCC can reclaim most of the spectrum currently used for analog TV. The increase in picture quality is just a sugar coating to help everyone else go along with it.

  10. A lot of people do not have their facts straight.. by nsafreak · · Score: 5, Informative

    This is NOT a conversion from analogue TV to HDTV. It is a conversion from analogue TV to digital TV and there is a BIG difference. Does sending a digital signal allow the broadcasting station to send a HDTV broadcast? Yes. Do they HAVE to transmit a HDTV broadcast? NO. The fact is a lot of consumers, how many I do not know, already have the capability to receive a digital transmission. This is done through a variety of methods such as subscribing to a cable or satellite service. Folks with either of those services will likely not notice a change.

    Now the folks with an old analogue only TV set that are receiving their signal from rabbit ears are going to notice a change once the analogue signals are shut off. Some may subscribe to satellite or cable I suppose but there will likely be a fair amount that do not wish to and will complain LOUDLY. It will only get louder if the ATSC tuner boxes necessary to get their sets working with the new signal are too expensive. The other option of course will be to buy a set with an ATSC tuner built in but a lot of folks won't like doing that either.

    Right now I would say it's quite probable that the switchover will be delayed.

  11. It's NOT about selling new TVs... by Desprez · · Score: 5, Informative
    I invite evertone to read this article I realise that your not going to, this is Slashdot after all, but it answers many questions.

    To quote from BoingBoing:

    This long, excellent article on the history of broadcast spectrum allocation in America is the single best explanation of the mess that we're in today. In short: greedy broadcasters tricked Congress into giving them free spectrum for a second set of digital channels, so that Americans who bought digital TVs would have something to watch. Then they did nothing with them. Meantime, cops and firefighters and EMTs are (literally) dying for some of that squat-upon spectrum so that they can coordinate their rescue efforts.
    Among other things, it explains WHY a date was set for a crossover to HDTV. Sure TV works just fine now, so why switch you ask? Actually, it's NOT about trying to sell the public new TVs. It sounds simple, but that's a very narrow view that doesn't see the whole picture and all the politics behind what's going on. The linked article sheds quite a bit of light on that.
  12. Re:dvd by Professor_UNIX · · Score: 5, Funny
    They can take my TV set out of my cold.... oh wait, let me see what ad-free dvd movie to watch first...

    According to Star Trek: TNG episode "The Neutral Zone", television as a medium doesn't survive much past the mid-21st century. Around the time of WWIII.