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FCC to Push VoIP 911 Requirements

maotx writes "Originaly declared a regulation free area, VoIP is going under a new look. With complaints against it, the FCC has decided to move forward with its original plan to require VoIP providers to provide 911 support. This brings up interesting questions on how they're going to know where in the world your VoIP enabled laptop is when you call 911."

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  1. Re:cell-phones? by The+FooMiester · · Score: 4, Informative

    Yeah they can. Both from tower information/ triangulation and GPS.

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  2. Revenge of the Bells by prurientknave · · Score: 3, Informative

    This looks like a decision passed to kowtow to the region bells who think they're unfairly harassed by providing 911 services.

    With wifi, ssh tunnels and unspecified internal deployment of handsets in a corporation it's ridiculous to expect vonage et al to provide 911 services comparable to the regional bell.

    I fully expect 911 calls to end up getting into a frenzy for an incident that is eventually located in bombay.

  3. Vonage has 911 service by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    I just got Vonage, and it has pseudo 911. You activate it by entering your address.

    It's not real 911 because it connects to an intermediary service that then connects you to the real 911.

    http://www.vonage.com/help_knowledgeBase_article.p hp?article=394

  4. Re:Follow the ping packets! by Nos. · · Score: 5, Informative

    The CRTC in Canada made 911 mandatory just recently. I wrote about this earlier. They basically say that for a roaming type service (I don't know of any VoIP that isn't), the provider does not have to connect you to the correct call center automatically. Instead, the caller should be able to identify his/her location and then the call can be transfered to the correct center. Not idea, but there is not a reliable way to no location based on IP, or even something like GPS. The other big thing that the CRTC said was that the service provider had to inform the customer clearly of these limits to 911 before the customer signed up. The CRTC news release is here

  5. Re:GPS by squiggleslash · · Score: 4, Informative
    Another option might be for people to enter the location of where they are on a website when they set up their VoIP service, the one replacing their landline, that goes over their DSL or Cable connection and is therefore tethered to one location.

    For those cases where they are in a hotel, and have their laptop with them using the hotel's WLAN, a great option might be for those people to use the hotel phone when calling 911. Likewise, if they're in a coffee shop, or a client's site, and they have an urgent need to call 911, they can use the coffee shop or their client's telephone to make the call.

    For those cases where they're running VoIP over, say, a cellphone link, perhaps the best option might be to unplug the cellphone and then call 911 from that. I'm not sure how effective VoIP over GRPS/UMTS/cdma2000 would be anyway, but I'm pretty sure the 911 service built into the phone would work better. And remember folks - for GSM and UMTS, if you're in some obscure part of the world and don't know the local number (911 isn't universal), you can always dial "112." It's standard on all GSM phones. You can use the local emergency number too, it's just 112 works everywhere, unlike 911 which is largely a North American thing.

    Am I missing something here? I'm pretty sure I've covered all the bases. Is there some pressing need for a GPS system in every laptop?

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  6. Won't work. by jd · · Score: 3, Informative
    Any kind of VPN tunneling will make using traceroutes or pings useless for tracking purposes.


    IPv6 would allow you to deduce the geographical location, as the IP address is a function of the logical location, which can then be used to infer the most probable geographical location. However, IPv4 has nothing that allows you to infer location by address. This may actually be the driving force for IPv6, given that none of the other reasons (privacy, addressability, etc) have ever worked with people.

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  7. Re:VoIP e911 works for me by adolf · · Score: 5, Informative

    I've spent the past few days working in the dispatch center of an small county sheriff's office, installing some new gear.

    Today, someone brought in chili, which was excellent. Someone else ordered a sack of hamburgers from the joint down the road (which were delivered, and were extraordinarily tasty). People were generally enjoying their servitude in that small, locked-down room.

    On top of the dispatch console was some eccentric 911 industry trade rag. The cover story was about VOIP, and how it currently relates to 911 service as we know it.

    Therefore, they're aware of it, and the possible problems it might have.

    The 911 phone nearly never rings. And, at least today, it only rang once for an emergency. The rest of the calls (a half dozen, or so) were all from MCI, who were running tests on a new-ish overlay area code.

    Every now and then, the radio would make some noise that the dispatcher would respond to.

    The dispatchers spent the rest of their day waiting for the phone to ring and shooting the shit with eachother.

    So, just to reassure anyone who's wary:

    Go ahead and test your 911 service. Just make sure that you've informed them beforehand, and don't waste their time with superflous verbiage.

    And if, for some reason, it doesn't work: Call them back, and explain that the test failed. If you think you can fix the problem, tell them that you might like to attempt another test later. Thank them, and hang up.

    Believe me: Those are real people on the other end of the line. They're happy to invest a few minutes of their time, if that means a slim possibly saving someone's life.

    They want this stuff to work correctly at least as much as you do.