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Aquarium Full of Oil For PC Cooling
JaredOfEuropa writes "Forget fancy watercooled CPUs or complicated heat pipes. Annoyed with the noise of the forced-air cooling in his computer, this guy simply dumped his entire motherboard in an aquarium filled with mineral oil. (coral cache). No modifications were necessary; he even left the fans running to keep the oil moving about. The only thing not submersed in oil is the hard disk."
Original site here.
I'm surprised that the PSU and all the cables (like speaker/CAT5) work at all, I feel so uneducated.
And I guess his parts have very little resale value?
Rock that crushes, Paper & Scissors that don't matter.
I don't see any fans or other way the heat is dissipated into the air, from the oil.
I guess he uses it for an hour, then the oil becomes the same temp as the cpu.. and then shuts it off? Since he says that the forum isn't in english, I didn't bother to check.
However, nothing is visible in his pics...
I'd say that the only reason this hasn't gone *boom*, is because it looks like a PII or Celeron (Slot 1 card).. and he hasn't really pushed it for long periods of time.
Why doesn't submerging it in oil just destroy all the parts on the motherboard?
Because mineral oil is (basically) electrically inert.
Can we do the same thing with water instead?
Well, you certainly can, but the only way I'd be involved is if I'm allowed to take pictures from a safe distance.
The reason that you can't submerge electrical parts in water is the simple fact that water is electronically conductive given the presence of electrolytes (which is so hard to guarantee against in practice, that you can rest assured that water is bad.) Many oils, however, are not electrically conductive. Therefore, as long as the medium used is electrically inert and does not chemically react with anything you're submerging in it, you can consider it a viable medium for immersion cooling assuming that heat transfer properties are favorable.
This has been done before. Interestingly, some projects have looked to it for outdoor computer use (stationary) due to the water-repellant properties of many oils.
I saw a few years ago (probably here on /.) where someone put a MB into a tank filled with glycerin, then put an air conditioner cooler grid into the tank with it. A pump curculated the glycerin over the cooling grid and around the MB. I thought that was pretty extreme. I guess the main point is that you don't want something corrosive or conductive, and you do want something with a sufficiently high specific heat to take the heat away without cooking the board.
There is nothing so silly as other peoples traditions, and nothing so sacred as our own.
I'm an elevator Engineer. This reminds me of a very old residential elevator controller I saw recently that was installed in 1917 and still had all the original equipment in good working order. The controller was in a cast iron tub with all the relays mounted to the lid and suspended in transformer oil. There was a hoist in the ceiling to enable lifting the lid for access to the relays. It would cost a fortune to build something like that today, but it certainly was durable.
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This thread is useless without pics!
There's not even a Google cache of the site. Oopsie.
For the curious, here's someone else who had a similar idea.
Of course, none of that really matters, since the images are on a different server that neither Coral nor the original site are able to access.
I've got a mirror of the images building here. The server is dying quickly, but I should be able to complete the collection.
he should make that sucker into a lava lamp
it would show/highlight the oil currents/flow by the fans (that are still turning, BTW)
whoah
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Yah- I remember an experimental F-5 radar that emitted 40Kilo Watts (take that, Pentiummmm!). It was about the cubic of a full tower ATX case. Aluminum case, machined heat sinks on the inside, the outside was mounted to a cold plate that was chilled with turbine bleed air. The R/T was mounted inside the case in a three dimensional kind of array of solid state and passive components. Fluorinert filled the cavity. Screwed the lid on, and it went to work. Heat flowed pretty well (thermal sensors built in to the circuitry at various spots) so straight convection was used (no fan, etc.). Worked great !
I'm surprised that the PSU and all the cables (like speaker/CAT5) work at all, I feel so uneducated.
Actually, I'd be more worried about the high-speed circuits in the machine. Oil does not conduct electricity, but that doesn't mean its electronically equivalent to air.
Oil has a dielectric constant of between 2 and 3 (depends on the oil) and that will affect the capacitance on and between the traces of the circuit-board. The signals will run a little slower on the board and have a bit more cross-talk. Its probably not a big deal -- the materials in the circuit board have a bigger effect -- but it could slow the signals enough to reduce reliability in a marginal design.
Two wrongs don't make a right, but three lefts do.
He doesn't mean the insulation. Mineral oil won't eat through that (usually). He means the wrapping of the cables. Inside that, the conductors are indevidually insulated with an oil-resistant material (pvc, often). Transformer coils are insulated with a different kind of oil resistant plastic, and are often submerged in oil.
No, they aren't sealed. They do have a lot of filtering between them and the surrounding air, but they aren't sealed.
And you could add 2 giant fans to blow air across the fins to keep it even cooler!
That is actually a good idea that really would make cooling more efficient. Larger fans can move as much or more volumes of air at slower RPMs than smaller fans. Lower RPMs means less wear on bearings and quieter operation.
IIRC that is the strategy used in the new BTX form factor cases--the heat sync on the CPU is really big with a lot of fins and a big fan that draws air through those fins and over the motherboard (to cool the chipset). Current ATX setups are most often laid out poorly for cooling, and you end up seeing high-end systems with 3 or more fans in the case. It is the need for multiple small fans that makes these PCs noisy, not the fact that they require fans at all.
I still think it would be great to see the return of the days when chips and power supplies ran cool enough to allow for practical convection cooling. My fanless Atari ST was blissfully quiet--even the comparable IBM ATs of the day that only had a single fan in the power supply were horribly loud next to it.
As this is really a re-hash of an old story, I'd be more interested in what happens to these rigs over the long haul. How long does the computer last in oil? How often does he have to change the oil? How does he cool the oil? How long before the mobo and cards are somehow affected by the oil?
Answering *these* questions would make for a much more interesting article than just "Hey, dude, I put my mobo in oil! I'm l33t!"
So what about the connections in the PCI slots and such? Can't mineral oil get between the card and slot's contacts?
Do you have to keep the cards perfectly still to keep a strong contact?
Can you swap cards in the tank?
Can you adjust a connection (USB) while the machine is on?
I looked in the forums and nobody mentions this in english. Just stuff like "bloody brilliant"..
I don't know how pure the distilled water sold at shops is, but the problem is *keeping* it distilled, just think how many things will disolve in water. You would have to be very, very careful when handling the water (you'd have to clean every surface before letting the distilled water touch it, and are you going to clean it with regular water?). I wouldn't risk it, not with a few thousands in hardware, without a high investment in good gear to do so.
is that every last connection has to be SOLDERED DOWN in order for this thing to work for more than half an hour.
The problem the guy ran into six years ago was that the mineral oil seeped in between all of the connections and disrupted the flow of electrons; PCI cards, AGP card, CPU, IDE, power... everything. A stock motherboard simply won't cut it, you have to have a custom board with everything hard-wired to it to survive the submersion.
This story is a dupe because it doesn't solve the basic problem.
Does anyone take basic high school chemistry anymore? Holy shit. It was required where I went, and we had a little "lab" where we measured the resistance of pure water and some salt water, and then lit a bulb with probes in salt water. Maybe you went to one of those schools where they teach creationism or that inteligent design malarky.
Back on subject: it dosen't take much to make water mildly conductive. Dust, for example in sufficient amount will do a great job at it. I'd want to thoroughly clean and rinse any electronic parts that I intended to be sunk in distilled water.