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Tracking Domestic Animals?

Solo-Malee asks: "My sister has a blind hunting dog (yes really) and will soon be moving to the wilderness area of Sweden. She is really worried that her dog will run off after the first elk that it sees never to be seen again (since he's already run off numerous times already). Are Slashdot readers aware of any practical inexpensive tracking system that can be applied to domestic animals?"

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  1. Third eye dog? by WFFS · · Score: 4, Funny

    How does he see the elk? Does he need a seeing-eye human?

    1. Re:Third eye dog? by bluGill · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Dogs use scent more than humans do. A blind dog can smell elk just fine (well assuming there are not two handicaps). He cannot chase it was well because he cannot see trees, but he can track it just fine. Until several miles latter he no longer can find home, and is lacking one of the easier ways to orient itself.

  2. Invisible Fence by Aix · · Score: 4, Informative

    Tracking, unfortunately, won't keep your dog from getting hit by a car. It also won't keep you legal if unleashed dogs are against the law (which is quite common in the US, anyway). I would consider an "invisible fence" which is basically an RF proximity sensor on a collar that shocks the dog if it gets too close. They seem to be quite effective and can give the dog a very large area in which to roam. In particular, it makes sense in situations where a backyard-type fence is impractical (such as on a farm), but a border is well-defined by a cattle fence or some such. Here's the cursory google search: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=dog+invisible +fence&btnG=Google+Search

    1. Re:Invisible Fence by O.W.M · · Score: 2, Informative

      Invisible fences are illegal in Sweden (they claim that they are cruel to the animals), but since the dog is blind you could just get a regular visible fence. The dog wouldn't be able to see the difference anyway...

  3. Why track it ... by Rip!ey · · Score: 2, Informative

    ... when you could just stop it from running too far away in the first place.

    Have a battery operated unit fixed to the dogs collar that emits a sound wave (where the frequency is painful for the dog to listen too) if the dog gets too far away from a second unit carried by the dogs owner. The greater the distance, the greater the intensity of the sound emmitted.

    Dogs are fast learners.

    1. Re:Why track it ... by cwebb1977 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Dogs are fast learners? Well, this one better be, or he'll be blind AND deaf. And lost and maybe eaten by an elk!

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    2. Re:Why track it ... by bad_fx · · Score: 2, Funny


      maybe eaten by an elk!


      I hear they only do that sort of thing if you try to karve your initials in them with a sharpened tøøthbrush. No realli!

  4. How not to lose your dog by Motherfucking+Shit · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Are Slashdot readers aware of any practical inexpensive tracking system that can be applied to domestic animals?
    Combine the natural power of a tree with the functionality of a chain. Throw in a collar for good measure, and you've got synergy.

    If the dog can't run off, he can't run off and get lost. I'm not trying to be a dick about this, but unless chaining a dog is illegal in her area, your sister should consider the obvious option. Occam's razor, and all. So long as food and water bowls are within easy reach, and kept in the same place, the dog shouldn't have a problem.
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    1. Re:How not to lose your dog by peragrin · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It doesn't always work. I have seen that fail exactly Once.

      Take a 2 year old Husky -yellow lab mix,

      Add one Nylon choke collar

      One chain with a 500 lb breaking strength

      One metal stake 6' long pounded 2' into the ground.

      Make it hunting season, with an unknown # of deer on the move at dusk.

      The Dog barked like mad as the deer walked about a 100 feet away. Then went quiet. 10 minutes later as that feeling of dread passed over I checked on the dog, and found,

      The stake, the chain pointing the way the deer were walking, 2/3 of the nylon choke collar still attached to the chain, the remaining 1/3 about 5 feet away laying in the fresh snow.

      That's right that Dog checked himself so he could naw his own collar off. Dog showed up 4 hours later, and promptly got a bath that he didn't want. Spent those 4 hours in the swamp and was tired and happy, but no obvious signs he was successful.

      This same dog also learned how to open a sliding glass and screen door. How he could pop the chain off of his stake in the winter by climbing a snowbank from the drive way, how to play rough without causing pain, and mom even got him to do a 2 leggged waltz, though he is a bit clumsy.

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    2. Re:How not to lose your dog by Grym · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Combine the natural power of a tree with the functionality of a chain. Throw in a collar for good measure, and you've got synergy.

      Be careful about this. DO NOT use this type of setup if it is possible for the dog to get hung over something. For instance, short fences or steep ledges can be the death of your best friend if he makes an excited jump. Don't count on the chain being too long for this to happen--dogs have a way of shortening the length by running around objects and the like.

      And even if this isn't an issue, always have a spring attached between his collar and the chain. This will lessen the strain placed upon his throat when he attempts to run too far. A dog's neck is his weakest part. A cheap spring used in such a fashion can prevent a dislodged trachea.

      Also, this should go without saying but, do not use choker (or "check") collars when attaching your dog to the chain. See the aforementioned neck comment.

      Most importantly, don't leave your dog out unattended for extended periods of time. No good can come of it. Besides, why even bother having a pet if you're too busy to pay attention to it?

      -Grym

    3. Re:How not to lose your dog by plover · · Score: 2, Funny
      Good suggestion, but my brother-in-law lost a dog in a thunderstorm when the tree he was chained to was struck by lightning.

      BTW, posthumously nicknaming the dog 'Smokey' was deemed "insensitive" by my wife. 'Sparky' didn't go over too well, either.

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  5. GPS GSM Collar by Yokaze · · Score: 2, Informative

    That may be the keywords for a more extensive google search.

    Here is one for 860EUR, there may be cheeper ones. Just make sure your area is covered.

    Don't know about the services available in Sweden, but it is also technical feasible to provide a localisation service with a GSM mobile alone.

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  6. On second thought... by fuzzybunny · · Score: 2, Funny

    ...Maybe the PR value of owning one of thesemight offset the emotional cost of temporarily losing a dog to some bastard elk gigolo.

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  7. False cognate. In English, it's called a Moose. by SgtChaireBourne · · Score: 5, Informative
    There are no elk in Sweden or any other nordic country except perhaps in the zoo. What you probably mean is a moose or alces alces. Alces alces is called älg in Swedish, elg in Norwegian, hirve in Finnish. The first two probably derive from German, which is elch, thus the mistake.

    elk is Cervus elaphus or wapiti or some such beast.

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  8. NetHack by Pentagram · · Score: 4, Funny

    I've had the same problem playing NetHack. The best option is to use a magic whistle (a blessed eucalyptus leaf will work in a pinch).

    If a magic whistle isn't available, then a leash can work well. Failing that, be sure to feed your pet regularly and always carry some tripe. The dog, attracted by the smell, will follow you more closely.

    HTH

  9. Your problem isn't that the dog gets lost by thenerdgod · · Score: 2, Funny

    It's that he's run away.

    Buy an Invisible Fence and collar.

  10. Blind hunting? by secolactico · · Score: 2, Funny

    My sister has a blind hunting dog (yes really)

    How do you exactly hunt blinds?

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  11. Wheels of Zeus by Karl+J.+Smith · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Woz's Wheels of Zeus is for tracking local objects and pets.

    It's still vapor, though - you can't buy any products.

  12. Re:Wheels of Zeus... by david+duncan+scott · · Score: 3, Informative
    Might potentially?
    The wOz system provides peace of mind for parents, caregivers and others who need to:
    • watch over their children who are too young to carry wireless phones, ensuring they are near their homes, at school, at the playground, or any other place they should be
    • monitor elderly individuals, particularly those impaired by Alzheimer's disease or other forms of dementia, and who may be prone to wandering into dangerous areas
    • ensure pets remain within a yard or other safe zone
    • ensure the security of valuables

    With the wOz solution, caregivers can determine the exact location of their charges and items, and receive immediate notification of a deviation from a specified zone. It also tracks Smart-Tags that have left the zone, giving consumers the information needed to find and recover people and valuables they care about.

    Sounds like that's their top application for it, along with blind hunting dogs.

    Personally, I want this for my car. Not LoJack and all that, just a thing that says, "the car is 25 meters north of here" when I come out of the house in the morning. If wOz can do this on a dog or a child, why don't German luxury cars have this standard? I'm not sure I want OnStar to know where I am at all times, but a short-range where-the-hell-did-I-park dingus would be great.

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  13. Another GPS/GSM solution by raitiovaunu · · Score: 2, Informative

    This company has also a tracking product that might apply:

    http://benefon.com/products/pointer_dog_gps/

    Might cost a few hundred euros and requires GPS and especially GSM network coverage.

  14. umm by austad · · Score: 4, Funny

    My sister has a blind hunting dog ... She is really worried that her dog will run off after the first elk that it sees

    Her worries are unfounded.

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  15. Ask Slashdot followup...lighter tracking device? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    Ok, now let's ask about a tracking device for my...um...Cat, yes...cat...I want to track my cat in case it runs off chasing Elk.
    Obviously, I will need a lighter tracking device than discussed for my dog. It needs to be light enough so my girlfriend..oops..I mean Cat, cannot tell that it is attached to their person...oops...I mean fur.
    Also, I want to purchase this device with cash. That's so the police...oops...I mean the Cat Cabal cannot track me down.

  16. Not quite right. by Jason+Pollock · · Score: 3, Informative

    Actually... It's stranger than that.

    www.dictionary.com
    elk

    n : large northern deer with enormous flattened antlers in the male; called elk in Europe and moose in North America [syn: European elk, moose, Alces alces]

    wapiti
    n. wapiti or wapitis

    A large light brown or grayish-brown North American deer (Cervus canadensis) having long, branching antlers. Also called American elk, elk.

    moose
    n. pl. moose

    A hoofed mammal (Alces alces) found in forests of northern North America and in Eurasia and having a broad, pendulous muzzle and large, palmate antlers in the male.

    1. Re:Not quite right. by wed128 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Mynd you, møøse bites Kan be pretty nasti...

  17. Re:False cognate. In English, it's called a Moose. by mobby_6kl · · Score: 2, Funny

    A Møøse once bit my sister ...

    No realli! She was Karving her initials on the møøse with the sharpened end of an interspace tøøthbrush given her by Svenge - her brother-in-law - an Oslo dentist and star of many Norwegian møvies: "The Høt Hands of an Oslo Dentist", "Fillings of Passion", "The Huge Mølars of Horst Nordfink".

    Ok, ok, I'm sorry =)

  18. hunting the blind? by belmolis · · Score: 2, Funny

    I'm pretty sure that Sweden is one of those highly advanced countries with tons of social benefits. I don't believe for a minute that they allow the hunting of the blind.