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Broadcast Flag 2 - Electric Boogaloo

blamanj wrote to mention that, a week after we reported on the court rejection of the broadcast flag, the MPAA is working on new legislation to broaden the FCC's power. From the article: "The draft bill says, simply, that the FCC will 'have authority to adopt regulations governing digital television apparatus necessary to control the indiscriminate redistribution of digital television broadcast content over digital networks.' The DC Circuit nixed the flag on the grounds that the FCC didn't have the authority. This language would clear that up." Update: 05/13 19:20 GMT by Z : Title amended with apologies to the Bugaloos.

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  1. Just because they're out to get you by WillAffleck · · Score: 4, Insightful

    doesn't mean you're paranoid.

    Sigh.

    The only flag I want is the one sewn on my old uniform.

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  2. Re:Legislative body by emc · · Score: 5, Insightful

    They are not, but Orrin Hatch is.

    He is also the lapdog of the entertainment industry.

  3. Buy your own laws, here by FunWithHeadlines · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Get yer laws, here! Nice fresh laws for sale!

    Whatsa matter, sport? Courts got you down? They say you have no legal leg to stand on? Don't listen to them! Get your own laws! You write 'em. You pay for 'em. You benefit from 'em.

  4. Re:Legislative body by MrAnnoyanceToYou · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Welcome to Corporatized America. If you can afford it, you're a legislative body.

  5. Re:Legislative body by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Look up the phrase "iron triangle".

  6. Routers by KrackHouse · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I get the feeling that a gigantic black market will emerge if this passes. If the internet routes around censorship as if it's damage then technological progress will route around hardware restrictions as if it's censorship.

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    1. Re:Routers by freedom_india · · Score: 2, Insightful
      The internet routes around censorship because it was specification that was speifically MEANT to overcome blockages. Technological progress here is limited to camera phones and car GPS.

      A black market for running tapes will not arise because people are too busy working 50 hours a week to put food on their tables.

      Corporatization of this country is complete.

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    2. Re:Routers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The impact of this legislation has limited technological impact (see why below). It is, however, going to have a market impact (economic) as well as a regulatory/policy impact (future restrictions easier to put in place without due oversight).

      Technologically, imnsho, this legislation isn't going to stop anything. Zip, zilch, nada. This is just muscle flexing. This is to stop general idiotic consumers from recording their shows on their own so that they have to buy the Season 1 DVD when it comes out. How great is our Fascist state--federal airwaves and they are putting in regulations limiting the utility to end consumers.

      Remember, this was prompted by a flag, not a DRM, although such legislation would likely make DRM of broadcasts easier. That's the policy/regulatory problem that we should be scared of.

      But technologically, there are many cards on the market presently in use that ignore the broadcast flag. Those are legal.

      Cards that in the future will not ignore the flag will likely be easily hacked, since the flag will likely be a little firmware or software routine that hackers will just gut and list their accomplishment online for all to see.

      Further, projects such as the GNU Radio HDTV decoder (http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuradio/images/hdtv- samples.html) already exist. So unless they are going to start screwing people from buying off the shelf lab equipment, even more documentation will arise online for people to roll their own tuner.

      Go after this legislation because it's a bad idea. Not because of a black market, but because (1) it opens the door to future restrictions, particularly DRM, and (2) is indicative of future restrictions on free or open media and hardware, similar to how attacks on the GPL have come from proprietary software companies (DRM backing companies may/will try to outlaw non-DRM'd digital media).

  7. Re:harder this time by freedom_india · · Score: 2, Insightful
    You are wrong. DMCA was passed BECAUSE courts refused to extend copyright.

    This is another attempt to bypass courts and surreptitously impose a law that tramples upon a citizen's rights.

    If the courts strike down a law passed by Congress, then MPAA may realize its futile. But with many of our beloved congressmen being stooges of big business... they may as well replace the judges.

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  8. Land of the Free (except where prohibited) by Gopal.V · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's a path of self destruction - there's a price people are willing to pay for entertainment. Cross the line and they'll become pirates. The real challenge of capitalism is to make sure that it works out fine for EVERYONE. For socialism the challenge is induvidual incentive. Neither works, if they don't try to address these challenges.

    Scott Adams: If the capitalists don't like capitalism, they shouldn't have named it after themselves.

  9. Re:Legislative body by MagicDude · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Anybody with enough money to sponsor a politican's campaign for office becomes an indirect legislative body. It goes something like...

    Politician - "I don't like this bill"

    Evil Corp. - "Do it or find your own money for re-election next year"

    Politician - "Of course Master. Please forgive my vile tounge"

    (Thunder and Lightning)
    Evil Corp. - Mwa ha ha ha. MWA HA HA HA
    (Organ Music)

  10. Re:Legislative body by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful
    "Welcome to Corporatized America"

    Otherwise known, by that definition actually, as facism.

  11. Re:harder this time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    But with many of our beloved congressmen being stooges of big business... they may as well replace the judges.

    I wish they were stooges of big business in this case -- big hardware manufacturers, in particular. If they were, they'd tell the MPAA to go get bent.

    If representatives from companies like Apple, Dell, Intel, and yes, Microsoft would come out strongly against hardware-design-by-legislation -- and cough up the requisite campaign contributions to make themselves heard -- the RIAA and MPAA would not be able to compete with their resulting Capitol Hill mindshare. Instead, the hardware companies stand around with their thumbs up their asses while a few Luddites in the content industry write laws that will ultimately take away our freedom and their revenue.

    It doesn't make a whole lot of sense on any scale.

  12. Eliminate the middleman! by Locke2005 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    My don't we just put the MPAA directly in charge of broadcast television technical standards?

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  13. Re:Legislative body by M.C.+Hampster · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Yeah, that's it exactly.

    "Oh no, the RIAA isn't going to give me their maximum donation of $3,000 (or whatever the hell it is now)! I might lose my re-election!"

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  14. Re:Legislative body by gr8_phk · · Score: 5, Insightful

    And he'll just append it to the next bill to fund the troops or fight terrorism and it'll go through for sure.

  15. Better copyright provisions: by rice_burners_suck · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Perhaps it would be wisest if the government would rule as follows: Any information broadcast in such a manner as to distribute it widely shall be deemed protected under copyright law, but only to the extent that you cannot sell copies of the information; that is, you may record it in any medium you want; you may display the information in any manner you want, even in a public performance; the only thing you cannot do is charge for it; only the copyright holder may do that. Therefore, you cannot charge others to watch a public performance of the same, nor can you charge for copies on, say, DVD.

    This would solve a variety of problems: Fair use would not be destroyed. And because information broadcast is, to all practical extents, available for consumption by "the public", then there should be no restriction on time- or format-shifting of the same. This law would be much more fair to both sides of the issue, as the bottom line is that our country is meant to be free, not governed by the will of corporations, though corporations should still have a fair chance at profits, even big profits, because corporations are the ones that pay us, feed us, drive our economy, and give us a better standard of living through the channeling of funds and efforts that would otherwise not take place.

  16. Interesting Implication by Bob(TM) · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You know, it's interesting that the MPAA is taking the approach of giving additional regulatory power of the FCC rather than lobbying congress to mandate the flag.

    Laying groundwork for easier actions in the future, perhaps ...

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  17. Re:Legislative body by kin_korn_karn · · Score: 1, Insightful

    what?? and waste valuable time that could be spent issuing press releases and whining???

  18. Follow the money by sterno · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This won't be difficult to get passed at all. It's giving the FCC a very specific mandate to regulate something. So there should be minimal concern about broader implications. Furthermore, all the media companies will be pumping the election funds full of cash to get it passed.

    It'll pass with ease.

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  19. Problem with it is... by snwcrash · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The device makers will put up a pretty strong resistance to this. MPAA isn't the only industry group that would be lobbying over this.

    The FCC regulations were politically convenient, since the elected officals could distance themselves from it, claim to support or oppose it depending on the direction of the political winds.

    Republicans would probably find it hard to increase the amount of regulation on high-tech industries. Not saying it's impossible, but it's hardly going to zip right on through. Unlike the DMCA which was generally pro-business this bill pits several intrests against one another. If the bill directly attacked consumers it would pass in a hearbeat :)

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    1. Re:Problem with it is... by Dachannien · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I hope they do, but I don't have much faith. Intel, Hitachi, and other companies are already in bed with the entertainment industry (such as Sony) in terms of devising content control schemes to forbid transmission of flagged content over firewire to noncompliant devices (read: your PC-based PVR).

  20. Re:And the really sad thing is. . . by ReverendLoki · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Do you really think something as blatant as this has any chance of even making it into committee?

    It's almost, but not quite, as blatant as the current Nominee for UN Delegate's contempt for the UN, and we all see how quickly that was struck down...

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    (a) Money
    (b) Ignorance
    (c) Stupid people in large groups
    (d) All of the above.

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  21. I hope not... by Stop+Error · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Is it really the Federal Governments job to mandate technologies who's sole purpose is to restrict what I do with media in my home?

    I hope this gets crushed. I hate the idea of the Fed's in my home dictating whe I can do with my stuff by means of Technology that I will simply have to work around which will probobly make me a criminal at that point.

    How depressing.

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  22. err, indescriminate *and* broadcast flag? can't be by tota · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Am I the only one to find the words "indiscriminate redistribution" and "broadcast flag" difficult to use in the same sentence.

    Are they being ironic or what?

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  23. Re:Well... by Sheetrock · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Can someone please tell me why we are letting the MPAA (or any **aa for that matter) draft legislation?

    Because voters do no research beyond attack advertisements and puff pieces on news channels, reelect lousy incumbents because they're afraid of the other party getting in, and care only about one or two issues rather than integrity.

    As it is, a congressman is more likely to get raked over the coals for voting with integrity because this stuff always gets attached to patriotic or must-pass legislation (and voters never seem to go after the guys that sneak this stuff in.)

    Actually, I don't think there's anything wrong with industry giving input to legislation that will affect them, but there's clearly no balance here. You'd be surprised too by how many articles are written and segments are produced by PR firms and basically passed on as news by the media. We let them get away with it for the same reason they do it -- it's easier than the alternative.

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  24. Re:Legislative body by mjh · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I don't think this is a problem with corporate america. The problem is with the elected legislative bodies: congress and the president. They *allow* this kind of manipulation. The problem with government, as opposed to a capitalist corporation, is that for the entire period of election, the elected are no longer servant to those who elected them. This is not true with a corporation whose customers can leave them at any time.

    The problem here isn't with corporate america. It's with the corruption that follows from putting too much power into government.

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  25. Re:Legislative body by d34thm0nk3y · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Yeah, that's it exactly. "Oh no, the RIAA isn't going to give me their maximum donation of $3,000 (or whatever the hell it is now)! I might lose my re-election!"

    The RIAA is an association of companies (the second A). Each member company can give individually to whatever the max limit is. That is a lot of cash my friend.

  26. Loss of respect for the law. by Harry+Coin · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Nothing is more harmful to the rule of law than measures such as these. Blatantly obvious purchase of legislation, the ever-expanding scope of "criminal" behavior, and plainly selective enforcement of the law is combining to create an entire generation of people who will simply ignore the increasingly broad and self-contradictory stack of rules.

    People truly follow the small subset of the law that they understand, and nothing more.

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  27. Re:Legislative body by TGK · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Special Interests are fundamentaly necessary to the functioning of our government. Look at what your typical congressman has to spend on staff. Look at the sheer volume of legislation he's expected to have an opinion on. Those numbers won't line up.

    Special Interests provide a necessary service, namely they distil information and give their point of view. Take two opposing points of view and, idealy, you'll be able to make an informed decision.

    Money buys access in Washington because there's only so many hours in a day. Access buys power because it takes time and energy to do things like write legislation.

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  28. Jurisdiction by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The FCC mission is to prohibit interference among signals, by enforcing the assignment of segregated communications channels. Some of those channels travel over "airwaves" owned by the public: the space between points in the US which carries light in frequencies invisible to humans. That trusteeship of the airwaves justifies another role: publicly receivable signals transmitted over those airwaves must meet acceptable standards for public consumption, as agreed by transmitters in the terms of their license for spectrum leased from the FCC. Those standards are limited to offensive criteria, like sexual representations, some politics, and (minimally) violence. That is the FCC's entire mission, which excludes private transmissions (including subscriptions like cable and satellite), and transmissions in media other than the airwaves (including telephone and data networks).

    This "broadcast flag" rule is not just "technically illegal". Content policing is the jurisdiction of the Library of Congress' Copyright Office. That office is already complicated (and often contradictory) enough, with its own overreaches (eg. copyright perpetuation). This rule is not so much the FCC filling a gap, or even augmenting LoC oversight. It is really a recognition by a bureaucracy that its main source of power, administering the airwaves, is becoming a tiny area of activity. As other media dwarf the airwaves in traffic, and tech like phased arrays undermine even the necessity for segregation of channels by frequency, the FCC is becoming merely a 20th Century office, as obsolete as the 19th Century offices governing horsedrawn carriages. But its ability to influence Congress, while it still controls the still popular airwaves (which carry most news broadcasts), offers a way to change its mission to one with more power than it ever had. If it jumps beyond the airwaves domain, to define its mission as censor (rather than guarantor of signal integrity), it will not only have power over otherwise free American activities, but need never again be threatened with obsolescence.

    The FCC's creeping power grabs are completely predictable, given the increasing irrelevance of the underlying problem it is chartered to solve. But Congress should see this as a chance to phase out a dangerous and unnecessary bureaucracy. Preserving only its technically necessary functions, while they still exist. Then let it die, not reanimate it as a monster censor we'll never banish.

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  29. Re:harder this time by alienw · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Hardware manufacturers are in China. They don't have much of an influence on US policies. Microsoft, Apple, and Intel don't manufacture TVs or VCRs, and ultimately don't care all that much.

  30. Re:What about legislation to ban the MPAA? by silentbozo · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The MPAA is a group of businesses that works together to protect their right to the business. Know who else does that? The mafia. RICO, anyone?

    Good call. I propose that from now on, we should refer to the MPAA/RIAA as the "Media Mafia". Who's with me?

  31. Re:harder this time by javamann · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I don't know, everytime I see something with Ashcroft's name attached it can't be good.