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Next Step in Human Evolution

PrivateDonut writes "Where is evolution taking our species? MSNBC has up an article that examines where evolution could take the human race. The gist of it is that no further evolution will occur unless humans can be separated into isolated groups." From the article: "Such ideas may sound like little more than science-fiction plot lines. But trend-watchers point out that we're already wrestling with real-world aspects of future human development, ranging from stem-cell research to the implantation of biocompatible computer chips. The debates are likely to become increasingly divisive once all the scientific implications sink in." Class, please read Transmetropolitan for homework.

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  1. Human evolution by Turn-X+Alphonse · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Human evolution has reached the point where other then learning to breathe in a low oxygen area (like underwater) or being able to fly we've pretty much at the peak we can be at.

    Over the years we've evolved to use tools and tools have kept us up with the latest evolutionary fad. We're pretty much a stable mutation of a monkey (with other obvious mutations still happening once in a while). Other then learning to fly or breathing water we can't adapt any more to our planet.

    When humans move to another world with more problems we will probably start evolving again. Untill then why risk evolving and screwing ourselvs over if we take the wrong path?

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    1. Re:Human evolution by bheer · · Score: 5, Interesting

      There could _lots_ of beneficial mutations even in our current environment... photographic memory, better regeneration... the problem is, our technology actually _breeds_ biological consistency: a mutant will sooner be carted off to hospital than be allowed to live out the rest of his life as he would normally (which may mean a brutish existence for many but _could_ allow a rare mutant to emerge).

    2. Re:Human evolution by Jeff+DeMaagd · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I agree.

      Another limitation is that humans in the industrialized nations have more or less driven out natural selection. For example, stupid people are protected, if anything, it is someone else's fault that a stupid person did something that could have killed them. Sometimes the brain dead are allowed to live for fifteen years.

      The highly intellectual people become either smart enough to not reproduce (contraceptives), reproduce less by choice or don't reproduce often because of social factors. Stupid people reproduce like rabbits, some of them start before they leave highschool.

    3. Re:Human evolution by BooRolla · · Score: 5, Insightful
      This is dumb.

      Evolution will continue to happen - and it won't be the sci-fi kind. Just plain old Darwinism.

      Between air pollution, climate changes, the continual population shift from rural to urban, other environmental factors, and even random error.

      Evolution won't stop because it is a journey not a place. All the variables that effect are lives are not tightly controlled enough to even come close to an end.

      Anytime someone says how a scientific phenomenom is going to halt, I raise an eyebrow. Maybe you should too.

    4. Re:Human evolution by Dr.+Evil · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Heightened sex drive and fertility... birth control makes it tougher to get pregnant, those who have sex more often should wind up with more children.... who, when older, might be predisposed to having sex more often.

      From the article: "Others believe we could blend ourselves with machines in unprecedented ways -- turning natural-born humans into an endangered species."

      Like... c-sections.

      Oh and earlier sexual maturity... there's no longer a risk of killing the mother. With social safety nets, infant mortality and the ability to provide for the child is not an issue. Horrifying as it might seem.

      Multiple births are also non-fatal these days, although fertility drugs make that tougher to determine if it is a factor.

      It's all speculation of course.

  2. Space... by zaydana · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "The gist of it is that no further evolution will occur unless humans can be separated into isolated groups." Well, if we are seperated into seperate environments that would probably have the same effect as being seperated into seperate groups. That probably means that we will evolve in space. It makes sense as well, we could still evolve to "work better" in microgravity... we could still evolve to run better on different air, maybe purer or less pure oxygen. And since we're in smaller gruops in space, according to this, we are going to have an even greater chance of evolution. So, is space travel going to bring on the next stage of human evolution?

  3. WARNING WARNING NSFC by jackcarter · · Score: 5, Funny

    Why can't people EVER use the "Not Safe For Church" tag on these things?

  4. Not exactly by Liquidrage · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The gist of it is that no further evolution will occur unless humans can be separated into isolated groups

    No, the gist is that we won't have two seperate species of humans without isolation. Evolution doesn't stop.

    Not only is that a very basic and obvious concept, it says exactly that in TFA.
    FTFA:
    "Evolution is still at work. But instead of diverging, our gene pool has been converging for tens of thousands of years -- and Stuart Pimm, an expert on biodiversity at Duke University, says that trend may well be accelerating."

    And at this point, not only do we have natural mutations that could be dominant, we also have the ability to alter evolution through our own means.

  5. The politics of evolution have failed. by Chess_the_cat · · Score: 5, Insightful

    There will be no further naturally occurring evolution of the human race. Since medical science can overcome just about any malady, disfigurement, or defect--allowing anyone to procreate--there is no opportunity for nature to weed out anything. For example, 5000 years ago a man who had a faulty liver would most likely die and his genetic line might die with him. Today, a man with a faulty liver spends a coule of days in a hospital and is able to continue his genetic line. So in essence, science has outsmarted evolution. Survival of the fittest doesn't apply when everyone survives.

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  6. Re:Pinky toe by xplenumx · · Score: 5, Interesting
    OK, that little useless thing on your foot commonly referred to as "the pinky toe" has to go. Other than ramming it into doors and such (causing great pain on colorful metaphors) I have found no practical use for it, so, according to Darwin. It has to go.

    Does that pinky toe hinder your ability to breed? If not, then why should 'evolution care'?

  7. Wrong on just about all counts by localroger · · Score: 5, Insightful
    If you want to know where evolution is taking homo sapiens, get thee to a barnyard.

    Evolution is driven by selection pressure. Selection occurs because some individuals die or otherwise fail to breed. Their heritable traits tend not to be found in the next generation.

    So, ask yourself, what consistent selection pressures are acting on us now? Note that things that would have killed us in the past are now regularly taken care of by medical science. In just a couple of generations we have a significant subpopulation that can't breed at all without medical intervention. Some of these traits are heritable, such as difficulties in childbirth or needing IVF techniques to overcome fertility problems.

    Other traits which seem to universally pop up in domestic animals are also showing up in humans. The modern urban environment is just as alien and stressful to us as modern farms are to the animals we keep there. So we are seeing hypersexuality, earlier and earlier puberty, obesity, and a lot of neurosis. THAT is the evolutionary future of the human race, and it's already well on its way.

    The only way out of this situation is to start applying deliberate selective pressure. Given that this would essentially mean giving up the right of individuals to reproduce at will, I don't see it happening any time soon. Plus, I would imagine that a lot of effort would be thrown at hot-button traits like homosexuality or intelligence which probably aren't even heritable. (I know there are a lot of people who say otherwise; there are good reasons for doubting them, starting with their very eagerness.)

    The world's population is already effectively split into two major groups, those who can afford radical medical intervention and those who can't. For another idea on how that might work out check out H.G. Wells' The Time Machine. Some things are so basic that they're easier to call before you're well into the trend.

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  8. Re:Pinky toe by athakur999 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Yes.

    Scenario 1 - Guy with pinky toe:
    Hot woman: Hey there, wanna come over?
    Guy: Hell yeah, let me walk ov... GOD DAMN IT I JUST STUBBED MY PINKY TOE... sweet mother of God this hurts. Make it go away!
    Hot woman: Wuss.

    Scenario 2 - Guy w/o pinky toe:
    Hot woman: Hey there, wanna come over?
    Guy: Hell yeah, let me walk over there.
    Hot woman: WTF happened to your pinky toe?
    Guy: I got rid of it. For you. It means more of my blood can now be used for a thicker, long lasting erection.
    Hot woman: Nice.

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  9. One word - Disease by xplenumx · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Like it or not, pathogens are constantly evolving and will continue to keep selective pressure on us.

    The most polymorphic genes in our (actually most any) genome are the MHC genes - genes that are central to the adaptive immune response. These genes are under extreme selective pressure, to the point that we can track how peoples migrated by monitoring how haplotype ratios changed or new ones emerged over time.

    New diseases are emerging all the time - as a prime example, HIV is a brand new disease that made the species jump to humans less than 100 years ago. As an immunologist, I fully expect another 'Black Plague' to emerge and wipe out 25% of the world's population within my lifetime.

    Evolution by disease clearly isn't as flashy as evolving wings or gills, but it's evolution none the less.