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Excursions at the Speed of Light

D4C5CE writes "S/F fans can finally find out what you really get to see at relativistic velocity, and tourists are one step closer to "doing Europe in a day" in these amazing Space Time Travel simulations of the Theoretical Astrophysics & Computational Physics department at the Institute for Astronomy and Astrophysics Tübingen. They put you in a driver's seat that both Armstrong the Astronaut and Armstrong the Cyclist would equally enjoy, in simulators built to ride a bike at the speed of light."

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  1. Re:G forces by 3.1415926535 · · Score: 5, Informative

    G-force is caused by acceleration. Assuming you accelerate slowly enough, you can get up to $VERY_FAST without dying.

  2. Re:G forces by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    G force is dependent on acceleration, not velocity. If one were to be accelerated too quickly to the speed of light, you would likely not survive. But if one were to accelerate to the speed of light under livable circumstances, it would not rip your skin off. Once traveling at the speed of light, you will feel just like you feel when traveling in an airplane

  3. The nerds have already seen by kernel_dan · · Score: 5, Informative

    Lightspeed is a simulator for velocities at c and below. Screenshots are available.

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  4. Re:G forces by fm6 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's a little sad that most people still don't understand the difference between speed and acceleration. When I first read about the Scientific Revolution as a kid, the writer spent a lot of time sneering at medieval scholars who stubornly stuck to Aristotle's physics despite all the experimental evidence showing that it was wrong. But as far as most people are concerned (including the script writers on Star Trek) Aristotle has never been debunked.

  5. This has been done before by krumpet · · Score: 5, Informative

    I have seem something similar to this before. Check out:

    http://www.anu.edu.au/Physics/Searle/

    and

    http://www.anu.edu.au/Physics/Savage/TEE/

  6. No way. by diesel66 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Look, I've been through Tübingen at the speed of light, and it doesn't look anything like that!

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  7. videos by commodoresloat · · Score: 4, Interesting

    All this does is attempt to simulate the visual distortion that one would perceive when traveling that fast. The videos look like you could be going 100 mph or whatever in terms of speed, but the distortion of the buildings seems to be what they're trying to get across here. The idea that you could have a long enough street lined with similar enough buildings to even perceive this distortion is beyond fantastical, so there doesn't seem to be a whole lot of point to this other than illustrating the notion that there is visual distortion. But I imagine what you would actually see would be much more of a blur.

  8. Re:G forces by anthony_dipierro · · Score: 5, Funny

    Stand still, and let the rest of the universe move.

  9. Re:Sounds like a wonderful experience... by cryptoz · · Score: 5, Insightful

    That's wrong...Time would pass normally for you. You would think at a slower speed (the same speed you're moving) so you wouldn't notice a difference. When you got off the bike, however, much more time would have passed for everyone else than you.

    All this is, of course, assuming Einstein was right (and I think some experiment somewhere proved these effects to be correct)

  10. oblig. Red Dwarf! by Johnny+Mnobflaps · · Score: 5, Funny
    HOLLY: Look, we're travelling faster than the speed of light. That means, by the time we see something, we've already passed through it. Even with an IQ of 6000, it's still brown trousers time.

    or maybe that's brown bike shorts.

    eww.

  11. Re:G forces by Jozer99 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Thats one long block! The movie is 3 or 4 seconds long, so that is a 1,200,000 km street block.

  12. Tübingen project got the colors wrong by Bubblehead · · Score: 4, Informative

    Very cool project - the screenshots posted by the parent comment show nicely that the Tübingen Project forgot to adjust the colors - due to the Doppler effect, colors change dramatically.

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    1. Re:Tübingen project got the colors wrong by sixpaw · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I doubt it was a matter of forgetting; it's much more likely that they decided including the frequency shift would detract from the simulation. Visible light covers a comparatively narrow spectrum, from 700 to 400nm, and at the velocities they're covering any visible-light emissions would have shifted completely out of that band; at a fairly modest velocity like v=.8c, the doppler effect already produces a frequency shift of 3x, carrying a 400nm wavelength all the way up to 1200nm. I put together a good chunk of the doppler-shift portion of Dr. Ping-Kang Hsiung's simulation of these visual effects back in the early 90s (though I'm not among that paper's authors), and getting it to look interesting was far and away the most difficult part of the simulation.

  13. No blueshift by Vilim · · Score: 5, Interesting

    They are missing the blueshift you would encounter at that speed. However I guess they couldn't be accurate because wouldn't the frequency would shift to far above the ultraviolet quite quickly?

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  14. But, but.. by xchino · · Score: 4, Funny

    "They put you in a driver's seat that both Armstrong the Astronaut and Armstrong the Cyclist would equally enjoy"

    But what about Armstrong the overly stretchy action figure?

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  15. Re:G forces by qmaqdk · · Score: 5, Informative
    A human being can tolerate up to 5 G (fighter pilots can go to 9 G, but only for short periods of time). That is an acceleration of about 50 m/s^2. If you were able to sustain this acceleration all the way to light speed (which you wouldn't because near light speed the amount of energy needed to accelerate tends to infinity) you would have to keep accelerating for

    300000000/50 = 6000000 seconds, or about 70 days.

    Deceleration would require the same amount of time. So the Tübingen experience would be a 140-day-not-very-pleasent-5-G bike ride :)

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  16. Re:Sounds like a wonderful experience... by Jerf · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Well, at the speed of light... yes, things going at the speed of light experience nothing that can be called the progression of time.

    But matter can't travel that fast, only things without mass. So, there is the interesting question of what you have that you would call a "bike" or "you".

    Physics does not break at the speed of light, but intuitive physics is dead. Relativity is a strain on it at any high speed but just forget lightspeed.

    (As I always do when this topic comes up, if you want a crack at understanding this stuff for real, try Reflections on Relativity, free online.)

  17. Re:G forces by back_pages · · Score: 5, Funny
    It's a little sad that most people still don't understand the difference between speed and acceleration. When I first read about the Scientific Revolution as a kid, the writer spent a lot of time sneering at medieval scholars who stubornly stuck to Aristotle's physics despite all the experimental evidence showing that it was wrong. But as far as most people are concerned (including the script writers on Star Trek) Aristotle has never been debunked.

    Ha, that's easy for a level 7 magic user to say! Some people simply don't have the high INT scores to understand the difference between speed and acceleration. That's why they're so BAD at using a bow and arrow, or even a sling (even level 1 wizards can use a sling hahaa). Anyway, after slaying this sweet dragon last week, I found like a million +2 INT hats. Maybe I should sell them and get rich then everyone would know the difference between acceleration and speed and you wouldn't have a reason to be so sad.

    Btw, that was a hilarious email forward you sent me about "10 ways warriors are dumb". You should add a new one to the list 11) Warriors can't even name five flaws in Aristotle's physics!! haha So is your mom still mad or can we play at your house again on Tuesday?

  18. Relativistic G forces by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    That's Newtonian. The relativistic acceleration equations are different. See this FAQ for the correct equations, which will tell you how long (in either proper or inertial time) it would take to reach a given speed, as measured by an inertial observer initially at rest with respect to the body -- with some calculations for 1 g acceleration.

    (For instance, to reach 0.77c requires 1 year of subjective time or 1.19 years of objective time; for 0.97c, it's 2 years subjective, 3.75 years objective; for 0.99999999996c it's 12 years subjective, 113,243 years objective.)

  19. Cosmos by dexter+riley · · Score: 4, Informative

    C'mon, surely someone else remembers the episode of Carl Sagan's series "Cosmos" where they did the relativistic motor scooter trick? In a small town in Italy, where the speed of light is only 40 km/hr (strictly enforced!) a young man leaves on a tour of the city at relativistic speeds, leaving his friend and younger brother behind. Sagan describes the effects of blue- and red-shifting, the contraction of the cyclist's length, and the dilation of time. It ends with the young man returning to the place he started, just a few minutes (in his frame of reference) after he left. Sadly, he finds all his friends gone, and only his once-younger brother, now an old man, still waiting for him.

    I don't know why, but the bittersweet reunion of the two brothers, as well as the story of the late Wolf Vishniac in the "Blues for a Red Planet" episode, both make me cry.

  20. Re:Welcome to happy vector land! by shawb · · Score: 4, Informative

    Velocity is a vector quantity, basically speed times a direction vector. If you turn, it takes a force to push you in the new direction. Since F=MA, that means that you are being accelerated. If you were to drive a car in a clockwise circle at a speed of 100 MPH, it would be constantly accelerated to the right, but its speed would remain 100 MPH. However the net velocity would be zero, as the net spatial displacement would be zero (at least every time you come back to the start point.)

    And orbiting bodies continually lost speed? What kind of troll weed are you putting in your pipe?

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