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Get To Know Mach, the Kernel of Mac OS X

An anonymous reader writes "Linux is a kernel, not an operating system. So what is Mac OS X's kernel? The Mach microkernel. The debate around Monolithic (Linux) and Micro (Mach) kernels continues, and there is a great chapter online about the Mach system from the very good book 'Operating System Concepts'. Which design is better? I report, you decide." Warning: link is to a PDF.

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  1. design is better, performance is worse by iggymanz · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The modular design of microkernels makes for easier design & debugging, and with some designs the freedom to make user space services that can only be in privileged space in monolithic designs, but does one want to pay the overhead for all that message passing? Now that we are getting into parallel processing at the consumer level with multicore and hyperthreaded chips, maybe the answer is yes.

  2. Mac OS X is Mach, but it is not a Microkernel by dumbnose · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Mac OS X uses Mach, but it also uses a FreeBSD kernel and compiles them together. This eliminates the runtime characteristics of a Microkernel. This is actually quite common.

    So, even though it uses Mach, you can't call it a Microkernel.

    1. Re:Mac OS X is Mach, but it is not a Microkernel by arete · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I suppose it's possible I'm underinformed, but I believe the "BSD subsystem" of OSX is not compiled "into the kernel" and is entirely a compatibility layer on top of it.

      I suspect this is exactly how to never violate the microkernel design and still have BSD compat.

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  3. Mac != Mach by frankie · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Although Darwin does use Mach at the heart, it also has large chunks of the BSD kernel bolted on to avoid Mach's typical performance hit. Consequently, OS X really isn't microkernel, and you can't do all the cool microkernel tricks (load or unload almost anything dynamically, drivers can't crash the OS, etc).

    This approach doesn't make much logical sense to me, but it's what Steve and Avie wanted, and somehow, amazingly, it still just plain works.

  4. Re:qnx does just fine with a u-kernel and message by RickHunter · · Score: 4, Interesting
    1. QNX has been multi-platform for quite a while.
    2. QNX uses shared memory to pass messages. Its message passing is very lightweight, and the resulting performance is far better than Linux.

    In this day and age, there is no reason to use a macrokernel unless your hardware lacks the features needed for a microkernel. QNX has proved this quite nicely.

  5. Not a "compatibility layer" by argent · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It is based on Mach with a BSD compatibility layer

    It's not just a "compatibility layer". A Mach system consists of multiple servers providing services to each other and to applications. The BSD server in XNU is an essential part of the system... it's the ringleader, and calls the shots from boot onwards.

  6. Monolithic more popular, microkernel still appeals by Lemming+Mark · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Monolithic kernels are dominant in practice (so far). Windows started off microkernel-y but has ended up rather monolithic (at least partly for performance reasons). Xnu (Darwin / MacOS kernel) also has strong monolithic leanings, despite being based on Mach.

    The microkernel design still appeals, though. For some things (not all) it is beneficial to move stuff out into less-privileged units. (Small) examples of this in Linux include: FUSE (for implementing non-performance-critical filesystems in Linux userspace), udev instead of devfs, moving initialisation code to the initramfs instead of being in the kernel itself...

    Other systems (e.g. Dragonfly BSD) are also seeking to move functionality to userspace where possible without undue complexity and / or performance cost.

    Some argue that virtual machine monitors are a useful modern equivalent to microkernels. They perform a similar function (partitioning system software into multiple less privileged entities), although they do it in a more "pragmatic", less architecturally "pure" way.

    Virtual machine monitors allow multiple virtual machines to use the same hardware. They have also been used for running Linux drivers in fault-resistant sandboxed virtual machines, with performance within a few percent of a traditional monolithic design (fully privileged drivers).

    The L4 microkernel is being used as a virtual machine monitor for this work by one research group, Xen has these capabilities also.

  7. Re:Monolithic by jd · · Score: 4, Interesting
    The modules may be loaded into the kernel proper, but that does not make Linux necessarily monolithic, as the bindings are necessarily on-the-fly and the failure of a given module does not automatically mean the failure of the kernel as a whole.


    mkLinux is not the only microkernel Linux - L4Linux is still maintained and is much more advanced. Nor are these the only Linux kernels to run in userspace - UML Linux, for example, does just fine. It is not clear where XEN fits into the picture.


    All in all, though, the situation with Linux is actually a highly complex one, and should not be regarded as being definitely anything.

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  8. The problem with Mach by Maury+Markowitz · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Although interesting, Mach was developed at a university and shows a huge number of problems as a result. Notably performance is terrible, due largely to the IPC performance. When people actually tried the "collection of servers" operating system in Mach 3, it was clear it was simply not a workable solution. Workplace OS, Star Trek and any number of other OS's died as a result.

    What's sad about this is that the failure of Mach tainted ALL ukernels. By the mid-1990s the idea was basically dead. But what an idea! Don't have your machine on a network? Simply don't run the network program. Using a diskless system? Don't run the disk server. Don't want _VM_... no problem. You can use the exact same OS image to build anything from a minimal OS for a handheld to a full-blown multi-machine cluster, without even compiling. No pluggable kernels, no shared libraries, no stackable file systems, nothing but top and ls.

    But it just didn't work. IIRC performance of a Unix app on a truly collection-of-servers Mach was 56% slower than BSD. Unusable. Of course you can compile the entire thing into a single app, the "co-located servers" idea, but then all the advantages of Mach go away, every single one.

    Now, given this, the question has to be asked: why anyone would still use it? Don't get me wrong, there are real advantages to Mach, notably for Apple who ship a number of multiprocessor machines. But the same support can be added to monokernals. Likewise Apple's version has support for soft realtime, which has also been added to monokernels. So in the end the Mac runs slower than it could, and I am hard pressed to find an upside.

    Of course it didn't have to be this way. The problems in Mach led from the development process, not the concepts within. As L4 shows, it is possible to make a cross-platform IPC system that is not a serious drag on performance. And Sun's Spring went further than anyone, really re-writing the entire OS into something I find really interesting, and still providing fast Unix at the same time. I'd love to see someone build Mac OS X on Spring...

    1. Re:The problem with Mach by Animats · · Score: 4, Interesting
      Although interesting, Mach was developed at a university and shows a huge number of problems as a result.

      Sad, but true. The developers of Mach chose to start with BSD and tried to hack it into a microkernel, one section at a time. This was a flop. Mach 2.5, which Apple uses, is basically BSD with some Mach features. Mach 3 is more of a microkernel, but is so awful that nobody uses it.

      There are really only two microkernels that work - VM, for IBM mainframes, and QNX. In both cases, incredible care was put into getting the key primitives - interprocess communication and scheduling - right. If those are botched, the system never recovers.

      Mach suffered from too much "cool idea" syndrome. There's too much generality in key primitives that need to work fast. Message passing has too many options. The ability to build heterogeneous multiprocessor clusters out of whatever you have lying around complicates the simpler cases. And sharing memory across the network isn't worth the trouble.

      It's clear from VM and QNX how a microkernel should work. Interprocess communication and scheduling need to play well together. Interprocess communication primitives should be like subroutine calls, not I/O operations. Try for an overhead of about 20%, and don't get carried away with the "zero copy" mania. Organize the I/O system so that the channel drivers that manage memory access are separate from the device drivers that manage the device functions.

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  9. Re:Monolithic by AT-SkyWalker · · Score: 3, Interesting
    The apple design is, however, what i'd call bad. They've taken a microkernel (Mach), and implemented a monolithic kernel beneath it, to run their legacy apps!!! It's ugly!

    I would disagree with you there. Apple's design may not be beautiful, but it certainly has the best of both worlds.

    The BSD Layer, Memeory Managment, etc are all built inside XNU (OS X Kernel) but at the same time its still functions as a microkernel allowing things such as Kernel Extensions (Kext).

    The problem with a fully MicroKernel is that its very slow because of all the context switching that has to go on between userland/and kernel land to do what is essentially kernel functionality. Apple solved this by making XNU not act as a microkernel for things such as the BSD layer.
    The result is a Kernel that is less prone to panics. In Linux a bad KLM would certainly panic the kernel because it runs in the same address space as the kernel. In OS X a bad Kext would just die like anyother user space program.

    As you said, it may be ugly in your opinion, but it gets the job done, it has the best of both worlds, and its less prone to panics. Now that's what I call a step in the right direction.

  10. Re:qnx does just fine with a u-kernel and message by TheRaven64 · · Score: 3, Interesting
    The benchmarks for Mach 4.0 showed it within 20% the speed of a monolithic kernel of the same era. Check the site for more details, although I seem to recall that the project is no longer in active development.

    There is one very easy way to kill a microkernel's performance - force it to use a synchronous system call API (e.g. POSIX). With a synchronous system call API, a context switch is required for every system call. With an asynchronous API, the process simply writes messages into a buffer (or set of buffers for different kernel services) until it either needs to wait for a response or its quantum expires. At this point, you switch to the next context (perhaps a kernel server) and process the incoming messages. This reduces the total number of context switches (and, more importantly the number of mode switches). If you want to see good performance from QNX, then use the native system call API, not the POSIX wrapper.

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  11. Re:Monolithic by EvilTwinSkippy · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Actually, the Mac OS X Kernel is the Mac OS X Kernel, and the Linux Kernel is the Linux Kernel.

    To couch them in terms of Monolithic versus Micro would be like trying to classify an economy as Capitalist or Communist.

    Neither economy has ever existed in it's pure form. Both descriptions also have political overtones that have precious little to do with their actualy description.

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