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Hyper-Oxygenated Water Speeds Up Healing

Ninwa writes "Wired News is reporting on a new discovery by Occulus Innovative Sciences: Super-oxygenated water that significantly decreases healing time of wounds, burns, and diabetic ulcers. 'Oculus said the solution, called Microcyn, may prove effective in the fight against superbugs, crossover viruses like bird flu and Ebola, and bioterrorism threats such as anthrax.'"

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  1. H202 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    People have been using H2O2 on wounds for YEARS!

    1. Re:H202 by mattdev121 · · Score: 5, Informative
      This is not a joke,

      H2O2 is more commonly known as Hydrogen Peroxide, and IS commonly used as an antiseptic. It's one of the cheapest forms of disinfectant available and can be found at any local wal-mart or drug store.

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    2. Re:H202 by Transcendent · · Score: 2, Funny

      H2O2? That's for girls...

      I use H2OSO4... 5x the oxigination power of normal water. It's a great antiseptic and gargle!

    3. Re:H202 by bsdbigot · · Score: 5, Funny

      Two chemistry majors walk into a bar. The bartender says to the first, "What can I get for you?"

      "H2O."

      "And you," asks the bartender?

      "I'll have an H20, too."

      The second guy died.

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  2. Interesting by Nasarius · · Score: 4, Informative
    Nice if true, but there's been a lot of kookery about water.

    The phrasing on the Oculusis website is a little suspicious, too.

    provides a moist environment to help promote healing
    It seems it's already for sale, even though it's still in testing. They're also extremely vague about how it works, and apparently it also cures cancer. Suspicious.
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    1. Re:Interesting by passthecrackpipe · · Score: 2, Informative

      well, i remain sceptical, but found a reference to the CEO at Forbes magazine - http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2005/0228/062_print.h tml and seems legit....

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    2. Re:Interesting by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Forbes wrote, in August 2001,

      "Power Player Enron has grown into the world's largest electricity marketer since we last wrote about it [...] Now a new surge in revenues might be in the offing. [...] For Enron that means likely access to 90 percent of the power grid, a leap from its present 25 percent."

      In October 2001, Enron got offed by its execs, who'd already destroyed the company everywhere but in regulators' offices and analysts journals.

      Pass the crackpipe indeed.

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  3. Healing wounds on one's flesh... by PaulBu · · Score: 2, Funny

    ... making wounds in one's heart (Re: Blondes!) ;-)

    Paul B.

  4. Oxygen-rich salt water. by jd · · Score: 4, Informative
    Well, most people living on or near the coast have used something very similar, as far back as records go and probably a good bit beyond.


    The idea of using osmotic pressure to treat wounds is as old as time itself, with salt being rubbed into wounds, very literally, as a means of treating them. The use of osmotic pressure is also commonly used in dialysis machines.


    I believe that some forms of cancer/tumor therapy involves creating a severe enough osmotic pressure that the cells involved rupture. However, I couldn't tell you exactly which therapies these were.


    I don't know whether you'd be able to make a targetted therapy - that would depend on the targetted cell either having a higher concentration or a different ratio of salts, so that you could create an environment in which healthy cells were fine but hostile cells were unable to survive. There's nothing in the article to suggest that this would be the case.


    It is certainly NOT the case with something like ebola, which is a virus. Viruses are not cellular, they are simple RNA strands with a protein coating. What would you create the pressure against? There's no salt water mix in there and no semi-permeable membrane to fracture.


    Salt is effective against viruses only insofar as that nothing would survive in the general vicinity (therefore there's nothing the virus can use to spread from) and the blood would be soaked into the salt. Antivirals are, as a general rule, nothing quite so simple.


    (Having said that, RNA is a single molecule and single molecules can act as a dipole with a unique absorbtion frequency. It may be possible to develop treatments which "shatter" viruses by transmitting at the virus' absorbtion frequency, but we're talking about a very complex molecule which may not act as a simple dipole. As far as simple treatments go, that's about as simple as you're going to get. Salt packs won't cut it.)

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  5. Thank god... by softspokenrevolution · · Score: 4, Funny

    Man, with all that anecdotal evidence I sure am convinced. Thank god we have news services like Wired to deliver these releases from companies, becaues that damned JAMA would never let this one out of the bag.

  6. is this just hydrogen peroxide? by js7a · · Score: 3, Informative

    "Hyper-oxygenated water" -- what a great name for H2O2 which releases oxygen when poured on wounds. Wikipedia article

  7. What's that I smell? by ChuckleBug · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This is setting off my bullshit detector big time. There has been so much nonsense lately about "pentawater," and homeopathic solutions that contain no active agent but supposedly retain a "memory" of it, not to mention the bottled water that's supposed to be charged up with extra oxygen (Dissolved O2 in water will just lay in your stomach and do nothing). Until they can come up with some chemical details and studies, I'm not ready to buy this.

    The super-cheezy presentation doesn't really help, either.

  8. But wait there's more... by pyrrhonist · · Score: 5, Funny
    Oculus said the solution, called Microcyn, may prove effective in the fight against superbugs, crossover viruses like bird flu and Ebola, and bioterrorism threats such as anthrax.

    It's also a floorwax and a dessert topping!!!!

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  9. if it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck by thenerdgod · · Score: 3, Informative

    It's probably Quackery...

    I direct you here

    Where it is amply explained that ionizing salt water can only create chlorinated water, or bleach, which, of course, ARE good antibacterials, but are also *gasp* oxidants. Why the SHOCK!

  10. This was one of Canter & Siegel's 1994 scams by Creosote · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Remember the first Usenet spammers, Canter and Siegel? Once they gained national notoriety and launched an Internet advertising business, their first client was a company that marketed "a health product, super-oxygenated water".

  11. the active ingredient may not be bull-shit by displague · · Score: 3, Informative

    I read the Wired article and became hopeful. I wasn't as turned off by the market-ish site as other Slashdotters.

    I followed up with an "oculus site:.gov" search and found that the FDA has classified Microcyn as a disinfectant.

    And, the California Dept. of Pesticide Regulation lists the evaluation of Microcyn as follows,

    209086 - (NO NUMBER ASSIGNED)
    OCULUS INNOVATIVE SCIENCES, INC.
    OCULUS MICROCYN DISINFECTANT (OMD)
    USE: DISINFECTANT - FOR THE CONTROL OF VARIOUS ORGANISMS SUCH AS SALMONELLA TYPHI, ESCHERICHIA COLI, AND PSEUDOMONAS AERUGINOSA ON TUBS, DESKS, AND APPLIANCES
    TYPE: SECTION 3 REGISTRATION -
    ACTIVE INGREDIENT(S):
    HYPOCHLOROUS ACID
    SODIUM HYPOCHLORITE
    CAS NUMBER(S): 7790-92-3, 7681-52-9

    Maybe some /. chemists can explain the good of those ingredients.

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    1. Re:the active ingredient may not be bull-shit by wronskyMan · · Score: 5, Informative

      for hypochlorous acid, it is

      An oxyacid of chlorine (HClO) containing monovalent chlorine that acts as an oxidizing or reducing agent.

      (from PubChem); and sodium hypochlorite is just bleach; when dissolved the chlorite ions will form acidic solution; so HClO+NaOCl=bleach in water, which is a common disinfectant but would probably be a bad idea to drink.

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    2. Re:the active ingredient may not be bull-shit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It's pH-buffered bleach. Whoopee.

    3. Re:the active ingredient may not be bull-shit by Muhammar · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Bleach. Quite normal Chlorox bleach but less alkaline, less salty and more diluted. As alkalinity of common chlorine bleach is what keeps bleach stable and alkaline desinfectant is undesireable, they had to come up with way to stabilize bleach at neutral pH.

      Most of the "scientific" explanation of their technology is a nice example of salesman gobledygook:

      "Microcyn(TM) technology is a pH-neutral, super-oxidized water that contains "oxidizing species" generated by the electrolysis of sodium chloride and water. During this patented multi-chamber electrolysis process, these molecules are pulled apart and ions are formed. While this process in the past would typically produce an effective, yet unstable product, the revolutionary Microcyn(TM) technology enhances this process by selectively retaining specific species to produce super-oxidized water that has an extended shelf life. The ions retained by the Microcyn(TM) technology are the basis for innovative wound management products."

      Basicaly, they found a useful formulation of a common bleach. Since using bleach for wound disinfection is not patentable, they have to dress it up as a magic technology.

      If you look up the background of the management and advisory board, they have a lot of people from surgery and wound infection involved, so I think they maybe have something useful. Also, they are moving ahead with a cancer drug candidate - my guess is that they have licenced this drug in. Maybe they are just one of these virtual companies with a management/scientist ratio >10:1.

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  12. Gallery of water-related pseudoscience by PIPBoy3000 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    There's a fairly extensive list of water-related pseudo science listed here, as well as a specific page on ionized water.

    I ran across it today when researching the product. I have a coworker whose daughter suffers from ulcerative colitis and I'm always on the lookout for odd breakthroughs. I think the emphasis for this one is on "odd".