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ISS Oxygen Generator Fails for Good

billyj4 writes "A balky Russian oxygen generator broke down on the International Space Station, but its two-man crew has a reserve air supply that would last about five months, NASA officials said Friday. The station's primary generator, which has been operating in an on-again, off-again fashion for months, stopped working last week and the station's crew has not been able to fix it. Mission managers say the unit has failed for good. Consequently, Russian cosmonaut Sergei Krikalev and U.S. astronaut John Phillips will be relying on reserves until replacement parts arrive at the station in late August."

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  1. Very Stressful... by cnelzie · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ...because we all know that it takes almost 5 months to move from one end of the station to the other, which means those Astronauts need to start moving towards the escape vehicle, about now.

    It stated in the Article snippet that they have 5 months of oxygen. How is that stressful?

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    1. Re:Very Stressful... by Pakaran2 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yep. TFA doesn't make it clear that they can bail out via the Soyuz (sp?) anytime they need to. And that won't be necessary, because supplies are arriving easily in time. They're no more in an "emergency" than you would be if your car alternator blew on the way home from work (in fact, far less so, a slightly soft tire might be a better analogy).

      When the supplies get there, they'll have to spend time replacing the machine, but that's about it.

    2. Re:Very Stressful... by Vellmont · · Score: 4, Insightful


      Oh, I dunno... Maybe the remote possibility of RUNNING OUT OF OXYGEN AND DYING?


      Well Nervous Nelly, the article states there's at least two other backup oxygen supplies that have quite a long duration.

      What if the mission to send replacement parts fails?

      There's always a Soyuz capsule docked at the station so they can abandon the space station if necessary.

      What if the escape vehicle doesn't work?

      Unlikely. If it doesn't work, then I'd imagine there'd be some rush to launch another Soyuz or Shuttle. There's something very basic that you seem to be missing though. At some point you just have to accept the fact that space exploration is dangerous. Why do you have this attitude that it should be as safe as walking to the drugstore? How many people die just doing something like climbing Mt. Everest? Life is dangerous. If you don't like that, there's always the option of never venturing outside.

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    3. Re:Very Stressful... by cnelzie · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Heck, walking to the damn drugstore can be dangerous. Heck, leaving the damn house is dangerous, heck even living is dangerous.

      More people die every year walking, then people have died in the entire life of the US Space Program.

      More people die in their bathtubs, every year, then have ever died in the Space Program...

      You are safer going into space, then you are driving ten miles on any American Highway.

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  2. It shows how fragile our space program(s) are. by blcamp · · Score: 3, Insightful


    With the shuttle nearing obsolescence and this kind of substantial problem on the ISS, it shows just how fragile our space program(s) still are.

    We need better, sturdier-designed equipment if we are going to make a serious go at space exploration.

    Imagine if something like this happened on the way to Mars... Saturn... HD 2638 b...

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    1. Re:It shows how fragile our space program(s) are. by WolfWithoutAClause · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Actually that's about the only point of the ISS that actually makes any sense. Actually running an oxygen generator for long periods to see if it actually works. That's actually necessary to test out for a Mars mission.

      In practice, for the ISS, the recalcitrant oxygen generator is mainly just a nuisance, at worst, because it operates atleast part of the time, it still cuts down on the amount of oxygen that needs shipping up from the ground and leaves room in the supply vessels for other equipment.

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  3. Re:Skylab? by calibanDNS · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You're thinking of Mir. Skylab was operated by the US.

  4. Re:morale by gr8_phk · · Score: 3, Insightful
    "I suspect that the only way to get a permanent presence off planet is through private efforts"

    More importantly, the only way to have a permanent presence off the planet is for it to be a self-sustaining presence. It needs to be on the moon (or any large solid body) so the inhabitants can expand their own space. Send construction workers, not scientists. Once there is enough there that people don't need to worry about things like food, water, air - then it could become a useful place to send people and do research.

  5. That we know off by Phelan · · Score: 3, Insightful

    While I agree with the statement to be the best of my knowledge, I would remind you to be caucious in accepting claims from any Soviet Government Department. I'm sure they would not be very forthcoming if they had lost people in space back then, hell if they overstate production of boots by a factor of 8 then they might lie about something really important too.

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  6. Incidently, Space Sucks by whimdot · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If the ISS is a useful science tool and it is part of the long-term aim of landing a man on Mars, wouldn't it be more interesting to tell the astronauts that there was no replacement on the way and that they would have to solve the problem themselves? This is after all, the situation they would encounter following a similar failure on a Mars mission. This would be one way of finding out which systems on ISS are genuinely essential, and which could be stripped down and the parts re-used for maintaining life-support.

  7. This is what we get... by suitepotato · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ...for doing everything on the cheap, rushing through everything while taking forever to do it, and letting the public's whimisical and capricious nature guide our space program.

    We are not now, but someday will be at the point where if we don't get off the planet in a sustainable format, we won't be able to at all after that point due to lack of resources: technological, social, and energy. Imagine an Earth with a planetary population of fifteen billion, schismatic fighting over resources, and no cohesive will to even try to see common ground for the survival of the species.

    That day is coming and in that world, how do you expect to do the major housecat herding job it would be to get enough of the wealthiest and advanced nations on the same page for a space colonization effort?

    Instead we dilly-dally with the attitude that "it's only moon rocks and photo ops" and "we need to deal with problems right here". We won't have a right here to deal with if we don't make the human race an ongoing proposition. Top down forcing of changes in human behavior have never worked and all the fanatical self-righetousness of the environmental movement isn't catching on and won't ever.

    We don't change under pressure very well and need the breathing space and serenity to do it. Try kicking a cigarette habit while simultaneously remodelling your home, refinancing your mortgage, getting two vehicles fixed, having sick family in the hopsital, and having a full desk at work. Now try it when you have three months paid leave and no problems on your plate.

    So we need to get off Earth in a meaningful sustainable format right now, make sure that any event down below won't take out the species, and use what we find out there to better our lives, and we need to do it now.

    Instead, we're using Russian O2 generators with known issues, and doing things without much more advancement than what we used to go to the moon in 1969. It's 2005 and you'd figure a planet that can make civilian houses nearly air and energy tight could do as well with environmental support on an orbiting tin can.

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