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Trackerless BitTorrent Beta Posted

jgarzik writes "BitTorrent development is occuring at a furious pace. At the beginning of May, an Azureus update added distributed tracker and database features. Yesterday, Bram updated BitTorrent to include support for trackerless torrents in the new BitTorrent 4.10 beta."

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  1. So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Will this eventually leave the BSA and others with no BT tracker sites to shut down, so that their only option will be to go after end users or to DOS the P2P networks themselves?

  2. Not linux but CC licensed movies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Plenty of geeks with big pipes to host trackers for linux releases...

    But lets say your band releases an album online, or your movie club makes a film... You've only got a geocities website and the desktops of your members.. With tracker-based BT you had to talk someone into running a tracker for you... With tracker-less that limitation has been removed.

  3. Won't stop the RIAA/MPAA by Saeger · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Simply because the torrent websites no longer have to host the .torrent files, or run the tracker, doesn't mean that the RIAA/MPAA can't still sue the domain owner(s) for technically offering pointers to pointers (unless you're untouchable in, say, the netherlands). So BT is now a little more distributed, like eDonkey, but that didn't stop ShareReactor, ShareConnector, or FileNexus from being shutdown either.

    What's needed is some kind of distributed HTTP overnet that works; that can handle dynamic content semi-intelligently, and MUCH faster than freenet/frost sites.

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  4. Re:How by Skynyrd · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This doesn't seem to accomplish much in the way of providing anonymity if everyone in the swarm still had to go through the same starting node somewhere.

    I don't think the idea was to make an anonymous torrent; I think it was to make it easier for bloggers and websire owners to post a .torrent file without having to connect to a tracker (which you may not hae access to).

    Joe Six Pack wih webhosting can now post a .torrent without needing a tracker.

  5. Re:no bittorrent download upgrade option? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's the classic question. How do you make "make"? How do you untar "tar"? How do you decompress "gzip"? How do you compile "gcc"?

    The answer in all cases is to work around the problem by not storing the code in the format it supports. eg: make comes with a shell script to build the binary. gzip is distributed in .Z and non-compressed forms, as well as a shar file. tar is distributed as a shar file. etc. etc. etc.

    BitTorrent isn't all that large, so there isn't much to be gained by distributing it that way. It's best at file packages in the multi-hundred megabyte and larger range. The largest BT download is only around 1 MB ...

  6. Re:wryy by Spy+Hunter · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Actually, it should eliminate the scaling problems that BitTorrent currently has. Popular trackers require large amounts of bandwidth and also large amounts of RAM and processing power. BitTorrent could theoretically scale infinitely, but trackers hold it back. Trackerless BitTorrent could completely eliminate this serious problem. Now hosting a BitTorrent download is just as simple as hosting an HTTP one, and it could likely scale to millions of simultaneous downloaders (far more than possible with a tracker) with *zero* consequences for the file's original host.

    OTOH, the lack of centralized control means that trackerless BT will likely be vulnerable to a new class of attacks that could make it possible to disrupt the download of a file you don't like. So, ironically, warez groups might stick to running trackers for attack resistance and Linux providers might move to trackerless for the scalability. It all depends on how scalable and attack-resistant trackerless downloads turn out to be.

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  7. Right. This only solves part of the problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful
    By distributing the tracking, this helps to minimize the damage should the original publisher go off-line. This does absolutely nothing for hiding your IP address.

    The *AA can still nail you for being a distributor of unauthorized Copyrighted material if you use Bittorrent. You are of course giving out copies to other users; so all the *AA needs is a list of IP addresses that are in the swarm. Granted, the *AA hasn't really done this. But if there's one thing that they have shown is that they are extremely motivated to find people who are involved, and hit them with a bill for a $2-3K settlement.

    With an economic bounty like that, the only thing the Lawyers of the *AA are lacking is a way to automate the technology. From what I hear, that technology is coming. Supposedly some of it is in beta test now.

    The only defense one might hope for in the U.S. is a scheme which added plausible deniability. That's not here yet with BT; and even if implemented, would undoubtedly result in a slowdown of downloads.

    Personally, I think your best bet if you are concerned is to use an offshore ISP.

  8. Re:So...Idle Hands are... by Council · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This drives me fucking nuts.

    Y is an activity that saves lives, such as buying vaccines. X is a frivolous activity such as buying a DVD. People don't live their lives choosing Y instead of X every time because you end up with no life of your own.

    And you only whine about it when X happens to be something that reminds you of the need for Y, or when Y suddenly occurs to you and you want to make a point. But every single time you buy a goddamn DVD, you're choosing X over Y. That's how life works. Every cheap novel you buy is a child who dies because you didn't spend the time to go out, find her, and help her. Come to terms with this before you start tossing it out as a random argument against a given X.

    And why does Bittorrent even remind you about the need for charities? I mean, you've got a strange set of connectiosn going. I mean, pointless artwork in Central Park, sure, but why on Earth do you jump on a random technical project like this?

    (Score:-1, Flamebait)

    Oh, right. Some people. So there's a 50/50 chance you're flamebaiting or that you've just got a weird set of things that trigger thoughts of Y for you. Either way, spend some time thinking about these issues; it'll do you good. Maybe think about the kids dying as you sit there. Think about that each time you speak with righteous indignation about what people should be spending their time on. I'm not even telling you not to say what you're saying. I'm just saying give it some thought.

    $10 can buy vaccines to absolutely save someone's life. With what rationale are you buying a DVD with that $10? I know why I do it. Do you?

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