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Netscape 8.0 Released

Mr. Christmas Lights writes "CNet is reporting that Netscape Navigator Version 8 has been released. The 8.0 Beta debuted back in March, with the final version being based on Firefox 1.03, and includes Trust Rating, a feature which identifies sites as safe or unsafe. Netscape 8.0 also includes a toggle which allows switching between Mozilla and Microsoft's rendering engines as needed. The Main Netscape 8 page has more info, and the 'Download Now' page is already serving up the new browser."

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  1. No thanks... by halivar · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'll stick with the Real Thing (tm). Now in version 1.04, and corporate ad-ware free!

    1. Re:No thanks... by Hank+Chinaski · · Score: 4, Insightful

      in fact firefox's search box contains links to ebay, amazon, google etc that are sponsored and help to sustain the mofo (mozilla foundation)

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  2. Useful feature... by tgd · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I have the View in IE plugin installed in Firefox, but toggling the renderer would be a very useful feature for them to add to the base product. I know its sort of blasphemy to say it, but fact is there are still useful sites (bank sites, in particular) that just puke under the Gecko renderer. Oh bank sites, and of course the Slashdot homepage ;)

    1. Re:Useful feature... by kristopher · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Am I the only one who has no problems with Slashdot under Firefox?

  3. it has it's uses by justforaday · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I checked out the beta back when it was released. Once most of the "extra" interface features were turned off, it really wasn't too bad. Of course, since I was trying it at home, I quickly uninstalled it and went back to Firefox. However, since there are a few sites that I need to use at work that don't work all that well with Firefox (reduced feature-sets, slight wonkiness, etc), I may check this out to see if it does what I need. Being able to have one browser do it all can be quite handy...

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  4. IE or Moz by LordSnooty · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The choice of rendering engines sounds interesting, will that be a boon for web developers tired of having to flit between browsers?

  5. I don't understand by Thyamine · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Instead of spending all this time on re-making their own browser based off of the excellent Firefox browser, why not spend that time building extensions that add in these features?

    How much time was spent duplicating efforts just so they could call it 'Netscape' instead of using that time to improve Firefox by putting out some great extensions?

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    1. Re:I don't understand by bmw · · Score: 4, Insightful

      nstead of spending all this time on re-making their own browser based off of the excellent Firefox browser, why not spend that time building extensions that add in these features?

      Unfortunately a large percentage of Americans (probably the world) make their decision of what product to use based solely on brand name instead technical merit or overall quality. This is why advertising is such an important aspect of selling a product. While Firefox has had a lot of media coverage lately I think your average user still has no idea what it is, or if they do, are probably still a bit wary to switch from what they already know. This is why the Netscape brand is so important; many people know it and trust it and won't use anything else.

    2. Re:I don't understand by stienman · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I don't understand

      What you don't understand is called branding.

      What Netscape doesn't understand is that by putting the IE engine as an option, web sites will start making IE only websites, and say "Netscape or IE". They will then instruct the user to configure their browser to use the IE rendering engine by default, and the web will become a little less standards friendly.

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  6. Re:Based off of firefox by Timesprout · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I love comemnts like these. One of the values of Open Source is choice but as soon as a decent Open Source version of something comes along suddenly theres no need for anything else. Choice is still good which is why I want to to see Firefox, Netscape, Opera, Konq, Safari and even IE compete to build something better.

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  7. A million web developers just cried out in horror by Matrix9180 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    From the flash tour:
    "If a site is considered trustworthy, Netscape automatically renders it using the Internet Explorer method, for maximum compatability."

    WHY?!

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  8. Re:Based off of firefox by ThePromenader · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It will be nice being able to test your web pages with just one browser.

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  9. too slow by brontus3927 · · Score: 4, Insightful
    The problem with a corporate environment competing in a fast paced arena like browsers is they can't keep up. Netscape 8 is based on Firefox 1.0.3 but 1.0.4 is out and has fixed some well-discussed vulnerabilities. By the time Netscape could update their engine to FF 1.0.4, 1.1 will be out, possibly 1.1.2 or even later. By the time Netscape used 1.1, 1.5 is sure to be out.

    I think that's one of the biggest things Firefox has going for it. Security, extentions, stability, tabs, are all very important reasons, but Firefox is successful, because it is small. Being small, they are flexible and fast moving, able to change to meet evolving needs. Firefox will be the guerilla fighters in the upcoming browser war

  10. *shakes head* by rathehun · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Until it stops breaking every interface rule in the book, uses something other than orange and green as it's default look, I'm not going to download a 12 mb file for fun.

    While I understand that this is not targeted at the same demographic that downloads Firefox, couldn't they have included something to add some value for us?

    If they had packaged in some FF extensions, at least a choice of themes...then maybe.

    View using the IE rendering engine? Thanks a lot.

    R.

  11. Re:Based off of firefox by Bert64 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    And those pages should be boycotted and their authors contacted. The web was meant to be accessible to all, not only to those who pay the microsoft tax. And before you say it, i'm not anti microsoft, i'm pro freedom/choice. I want to be able to view websites using any program i wish on any device that i wish, the web was designed to be accessible to all and this goes totally against that principle. I was equally frustrated when netscape 1.x came around and implemented all kinds of propriatory extensions which weren't in the proper html specs, i thus avoided netscape on principle and definately won't stop doing so now.

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  12. Re:Trusting trust by jonadab · · Score: 3, Insightful

    > Well... and why exactly should I trust AOL Time Warner?

    Depends what you're trusting them to do. The question you want to ask is not "Do I trust them to always to the right thing in every circumstance?" but rather "Do I trust them to objectively evaluate whether any given website is dangerous (from an IT security perspective) or benign?" Maybe you do and maybe you don't (I'm not convinced I do), but it's a simpler question than the overbroad "Do I trust them?" and, on the whole, more likely to be answered in the affirmative.

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  13. Re:Based off of firefox by leonbev · · Score: 3, Insightful

    That's good for you, but 99% of the population doesn't think like that. Joe Sixpack doesn't even know what html standards are, let alone care if they are implimented properly in the browser or the web site that he's using. All he wants is to be able to do things like upload and print his digital photos on Walmart's picture site, pay his bills with Wachovia's BillPay application, and listen to some streaming music on LaunchCast.

    I chose those three sites for a reason, because ALL THREE of them have problems with when used with Firefox. Having a "render in IE" option will come in handy for sites like these, because good ol' Joe is going to be pissed at you if you tell him that he can't use those sites anymore with his new web browser.

  14. Re:Outdated by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Undue sesquipedalianism precludes clarity of communication and engenders nebulosity.

    Also you sound like a goddamn idiot

  15. Re:A million web developers just cried out in horr by BiggyP · · Score: 2, Insightful

    But it shouldn't be assumed that the user will want to browse a site they trust with a broken rendering engine, are trustworthy sites not about to make use of CSS?

    NS8 looks like a really bad idea to me.

  16. Re:No Mac or Linux? by pohl · · Score: 2, Insightful
    We just have no way of knowing if you're merely pretending to believe that "we" means only 2 people,

    Um, the problem is even worse when n > 2. Hypocrisy is a charge that only makes sense when n=1. In other words, when the same person utters the incompatible statements. Why is that so difficult to comprehend?

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