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Critical Shortage of IT Workers in Coming Years

Juzzam writes "The Herald Sun reports that IBM and university officals are worried about the increasing demand for IT professionals and the decreasing supply of computer science students. From the article: 'The slope shows an unbelievable decline in computer science majors,' Astrachan said. 'There are smart people no longer even signing up to take our introductory courses. We need to fix it, or there's not going to be a U.S. work force in computer sciences.'"

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  1. That's ok, there's plenty in India by 3.5+stripes · · Score: 5, Insightful

    and a good part of the rest of the world..

    For better or worse, that's where it's headed too.

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  2. Supply and demand by sankyuu · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Simple: Let it happen. This should drive salaries up, then more students will want to take up Computer Science.

    1. Re:Supply and demand by edremy · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The fears you highlight are not uncommon, but they are unfounded. Companies from India are not developing very good software.

      Setting the Wayback machine for 1960...

      <GM executive>The fears you highlight are not uncommon, but they are unfounded. Companies from Japan are not making very good cars.</GM executive>

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    2. Re:Supply and demand by BVis · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If your only ambitions are to get married and live in the burbs then nothing is going to help you.

      WTF? Is an ambition to live a "normal, quiet life" something to be derided now? Many people want nothing more than to be comfortable, be secure financially, and raise a family. They do that by developing their skills and experience in such a way as to make that possible, just like people who have different ambitions; the motivation is irrelevant. Sure, lots of people want to be CEOs and millionaires, and lots of people want to drop off the grid and live whatever lifestyle they choose. None of these choices are any less "correct" than the other.

      What's your problem, anyway?

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  3. Of course not ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Smart people are becoming IP lawyers. That's were the big bucks is.

  4. misrep by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Notice the use of the acro 'IT'. That's part of the problem - do you want technical support people filling out the ranks or do you want software developers?

    One of my major gripes about 'the industry' as it stands is the lack of distinction between what is considered 'IT' work and what is programming 'and ecetera and ecetera'.

    Saying 'well, we need more CS grads' is straight depressing. What they should be saying is 'we need more software developers (computer science grads) or we need more System administrators (computer information system grads)'.

    When I was in school it seemed that people wanting to do CIS work were getting CS degrees and visa versa. This discredits to both areas of work.

    All too often I've noticed jobs that require a computer science degree when that should be slated under computer system information management. Or a requirement for a computer engineer when in fact, the work is computer science related.

    Come on folks - let's get our terminology right! I work a job that required a computer science degree and any CIS major could work this job in a heart beat.

    I guess getting the point across regarding what is IT would probably require a weekend feel good seminar for the clinically lost.

  5. Re:Reading between the lines by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful
    "You look at the size of this company, and it's one of the big leaders in its market," Mouallem said. "They do a lot to help students get a chance to work with them. It's really promising."

    And in the same time they fire lots of people to boost there shares.
    http://forbes.com/markets/2005/05/05/0505automarke tscan06.html[IBM Layoff Is Positive Step In Cutting Costs]

    FTA :
    The research firm had estimated that every 1,000 people represents per-share savings of 3 cents to 4 cents for IBM, assuming no loss in revenue.
    Yeah I sooo want to work in that business, they have so much respect for there workers.
  6. Re:I was going to go in IT by a+trolling+stone · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Become a plumber, auto mechanic or such. After all the tech jobs and manufacturing are sent overseas, those will be the good jobs.

  7. Re:Reading between the lines by akuma624 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Completely true ... at times I think these companies truly don't understand the skills that only experience can teach. Raw knowledge is great but without any experience it is basically all theory.

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  8. Economics by countzer0interrupt · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I am not an economist, but it seems rational that any (capitalist) government would want a labour force larger than the number of jobs available, so that supply exceeds demand, and the jobs market becomes a buyers' market, thus keeping labour costs (i.e. wages) low in order to keep business profitable, and to help to economy grow. This, BTW, is why in all Western countries there is always a steady number of unemployed people: these are the victims of the government's need for cheap labour for business. IT is no different, and to support the growing numbers of technology businesses it is neccesary to have low-paid tech workers. Sucks I know. Welcome to the West.

    (BTW, you're absolutely right about "good" tech jobs being hard to find - as long as supply exceeds demand, there will be a downward trend towards the lower end of the wage scale.)

  9. Re:IP and copyright laws are the future of the US by 1u3hr · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Basically, if you look at the way they're running things, and the way they're headed, all the grunt work will be done offshore, including programming, but the IP will be owned here in the US.

    For a few years. Then some of the more resourceful grunt workers will set up shop for themselves, hire away the best of the rest, and start producing, and patenting, their own IO, and licensing it back to you. Or more likely, licensing it to the manufacturers in East Asia. In 20 years the US's IP exports will be sitcoms and action movies, though these are being offshored too. The 20th Century was the American Cnetury, it's over.

  10. This happened before... by AB3A · · Score: 5, Insightful

    In the mid 1970s, when the space race slowed down, there was an entire generation of aerospace engineers who lost their jobs all over the country.

    Space was supposed to have been the future. But it didn't turn out that way. The number of engineering students in universities dropped precipitously. After all, why go in to a job like that with little or no future, where your industry could evaporate overnight at the whim of a few "business leaders."

    Later in the Early 1990s, I witnessed something similar when half of my class at the university disappeared because all the major defense contractors were laying off.

    Engineers and other technology workers are well paid in good times. However, you need to keep a reserve and a backup career just in case the industry you're working in goes in to the toilet.

    In the scheme of industries which have suffered, you folks in IT have little to complain about. Ask an engineer from the 1970's what life was like after the Apollo missions ceased.

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  11. Trends in Software Development Hiring by Foolomon · · Score: 5, Insightful
    I'm a software developer / architect working in Manhattan and here's what I've seen in this area over the past year or so.

    In spite of the fact that there are more jobs available, companies are still only willing to pay salaries in line with the Dot Com Bust era. In other words, I get calls almost every day (and frequently multiple calls) from recruiters who are representing clients that want to pay 35% less than what I was making as a full-time employee in 2002 and 25% less than I'm making now as a 1099 consultant now.

    The ones who are willing to pay the higher salaries (read: Wall St.) expect skillsets that are so specific that they will not talk to you if you do not have every one of them. In my opinion, they are asking for trouble because the technologies in use there are used very rarely outside of those sectors. When the IT staff they have in place now decide to move on, they will be hard-pressed to find trained people to replace them.

    I actually had an HR employee at a company who was interested in me as a potential employee tell me that their guideline for translating 1099 to full-time salary was to subtract 30%. I asked her how they arrived at that figure and her response was that it took into consideration benefits, vacation time, sick days and retirement plans.

    Color me stupid but benefits these days are not what they used to be from the perspective of the amount the company contributes. I pay less than double than others at full time companies do, but I'm paying 100% of the cost. This isn't your father's IBM where the company paid for nearly everything and you had an amazing medical, dental, vision, etc. plan.

    Couple that with the fact that the vast majority of people do not take a lot of sick days each year and you have me scratching my head and wondering what drugs that HR person was on when she told me 30% and expected me to accept it like it was a given.

    Am I living in a pipe dream?

  12. This is a GOOD THING(tm) by eno2001 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    With the influx of morons and idiots into the IT world during the dotbomb bubble who thought they could code, things have gotten dismal in IT. We have a ton of useless wannabees who barely made it through college (or worse) some of the more useless certifications out there. This is why I have to deal with two apps where I work that just suck ass in so many ways. People got "better ideas" and took systems that worked, ripped them out, and implemented new stuff just because it was cool. Then when people in the industry stand back and take a real good look, we see IT overflowing with crap software written by people who don't even understand what structured or object-oriented programming is other than some cool sounding buzzwords.

    We have VB "programmers" and Flash "programmers" filling up teh intarwebs with more useless and poorly written "apps". We have people replacing perfectly good and efficient text interfaces with point and click GUIs where such a thing is NOT beneficial. Case in point... where I work we had a decent text menu based system but it got replaced with a poorly designed GUI. The users all complain about how what they used to do in just a few seconds now takes minutes. And they're right. Now this company is going to implement this monstrosity in Java. Can you believe it? JAVA for god's sake!!! They can't even write a proper app in their hodgepodge of C and they plan to do this in Java?

    The drop off in people going for computer related degrees can only mean one thing: the wannabees have left the building because the party is over. This means that the only people signing up are people who (gasp!!) LIKE to PROGRAM. People who CAN PROGRAM! Making money with computers is OK, but unless you love these machines, you shouldn't bother. All the "get rich quick" types ruined the business during the 90s but now those fair weather friends aren't so hot to get into IT because now there's work to be done...

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