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CIA's Info Ops Team Hosts 3-Day Cyber Wargame
ScentCone writes "The CIA has booked some conference rooms and is working through a simulated 'digital Pearl Harbor' to see how government and industry handle a monster net attack from an imaginary future foe composed of anti-American and anti-globalization hackers. Having been accused of lacking imagination about potential terror attacks, they're using the exercise to better shape the government's roles in a variety of attack scenarios. The networking industry, it seems, is expected to always play a big part in detecting and thwarting such threats, as 9/11-scale economic disruption is a likely bad-guy objective."
People compare September 11 with a lot of things, but comparing it with a crack-fest? I doubt that it's even *possible* to kill several thousand people with cracking, you could only cause extreme inconvenience.
Besides, security can be achieved through a couple of simple steps: Don't use Windows, use OS's designed with security in mind. Use SELinux or equivalent on mission critical nodes. And secondly, educate the users and gain a culture of safety.
For all the hoopla about the pervasiveness of the internet in our daily lives, when it comes down to brass tacks, it's all just electronic pulses. When those pulses go dark, the wires are still around routing telephone calls. No one dies in a burning, collapsing building. No one dies in a hijacked airplane. No one dies because they stand too close to a bomb. Those bits just go dark and the internet disappears for a while.
A day without the internet is like a sky without vaportrails.
Even the data that is destroyed by such an attack is not at such a disadvantage. Though the paper-less office has been a longstanding goal, it is totally a dream. Everything has a papertrail and can be backed up.
There is no calamity awaiting us in the event of a terrorist cyberattack. The real calamity is the usurpation of rights due to terrorist attack fearmongering.
We finally get rid of one useless buzzword and this idiot wants to bring it back.
The funniest thing about this is that from the sounds of it the whole thing is being run by CIA goons. I'm no "info-warrior" but seems kind of pointless to run a war-game with people whose tricks you already know. Wouldn't it be far more realistic if they setup a network and put out the word to John Q. Hacker that is open season.
My days of not taking you seriously are certainly coming to a middle...
I'm not sure whether this is completely appropriate to include in a press release.
Insofar as the intelligence community is coming up with possible scenarios, yes, I think this is a possible scenario. And worth looking into.
Insofar as the government- MY government- is identifying and singling-out anti-globalization folks as "The Enemy" and "anti-American," I'm a bit frustrated. I'm an American who is also somewhat anti-globalization*.
So, thumbs up for doing some preparation that might actually matter. Thumbs down, however, for singling out anti-globalization as "The Enemy" and "anti-American."
You're the government. You have a responsibility to your citizens to not insult moderate views commonly held by U.S. citizens, however accidentally you do so. If you're going to put out press releases, hire some rhetoric Ph.Ds or something.
*There a lot of ins-and-outs to globalization. I'm against greedy globalization, which so far has unfortunately been rampant.
What if someone was selling off your country's debt to its largest rival (ideologically, politically, economically, and militarily) to such an extent that they were able to blackmail your government with the threat of bankruptcy and thereby force your government to bow to their demands?
Defending yourself against the United States makes you a "bad guy?"
The less one knows about computers and networks, the more one can believe any "digital Pearl Harbour" scenarios.
E.g., I still fondly remember when I was 18, and mind you I was programming assembly for some years already, I thought I could write _the_ virus that would bring the whole economy to its knees. (Which is why I didn't actually release it.) Looking back in retrospect, omg, that idea was soo retarded.
Now throw in politicians, who have about as much clue of computers as your cat has _and_ make a living by blowing things out of proportion to an audience who knows even less. Right. You can see where that is going.
In practice, our computers aren't that vulnerable, ironically, because we know they're a fragile contraption. They don't exist in a vaccuum, as some box in a corner that noone knows about. Any company has a small army of admins who can deal with threats, has backups, etc.
Even things like Blaster didn't really do that much harm. The network congestion died pretty quickly, as everyone scrambled to block ports and disinfect machines. At the corporation I work for, it cost a total of a couple of days of the IT staff's work, to deal with some tens of infected computers out of many thousands. And that was the only virus I know of that made it inside in the last half a decade. (Unlike what Linux zealots like to claim about Windows securitiy, IRL it doesn't really cost _that_ much to keep it running.)
Or I remember one bank bitching about their DB/2 corruption, but even that didn't shut them down. Even doing the irresponsible thing and keeping running with a corrupt database and repairing it on the fly, in the end worked. It cost them some millions per day, yes, but the bank continued to work.
Just about the only thing one can't really defend against is a DDOS attack. No matter how well patched and firewalled a network is, when you have 10 GB/s stuffing your inbound pipe, you're stuffed.
But here's the fun part about those: they work against one site at a time. Directing some tens of thousands of zombies to spew 10 GB/s at one site, yeah, stuffs it. Directing the same 10 GB/s at 10,000 sites, won't even start to matter. There is no way that can be a threat to the whole economy or anything.
A polar bear is a cartesian bear after a coordinate transform.
1984 has come people. They have weapons of mass destruction and we must defend ourselves. They don't have weapons of mass destruction but we needed to remove a tyrant. We have, as a basic saftey gaurd against an overbearing government, the right to be secure in our papers and possesions unless a judge signs a warrents. It is war against terrorism, the FBI needs the powers to conduct searches without judicial overview. WTF???
People, is the USA about to have a coup? It is one of the most common events in history. How many people in other countries expected the coup when it happened? I believe Bush will never leave office, or he will hand pick his sucessor.
There are so many danger signs with that family. Bush's father was the chief of the CIA in the 1970s, he ran the CIA and did all the hiring of senior staff. Then he was VP for 8 years in the 1980's. He becomes president through the early 90's, then his son becomes president 8 years later. There is a saying that power currupts, and this family has been in the highest level of power for over 40 years, and that is not counting their grandfather who was in congress.
This is more than haliburton or giving government contracts to friends. This is more than the spoils system. This is about jobs leaving the USA, about people having a lower standard of life, about more people becomming poor, about the rich getting richer, about government removing 200 year old rights gaurenteed to us by the founding fathers. What has happened the last 20 years should be a warning. A whole class of people is getting enslaved, to working for only enough money to pay for rent and very little low quality food.
Just wait people. Those fingerprint machines in public libraries are not there because libraries are going bankrupt with non-members checking their emails.
Most coups do not happen with the people overthrowing the government. Most coups happen when a powerful person gains too much influence and power, and takes over the military. But this coup will be about economics. The people with the money will have the lobbyists which will control the congress, and the rest of us will be relegated to nothings. Government will jail the loudest voices as terrorists. The rest will believe they are free, free to work for $9 an hour. Just wait.
Rosco: "If brains were gunpowder, Enos couldn't blow his nose."
Nah, we don't kill people. We play video games.
Sometimes I think the Army and government recruits like a gang or drug dealer. They offer people with little hope in life a job. They offer training. Stop me if you have heard this one: "The Navy will train you how to work on nuclear submaries... do you know how much people who work on nuclear stuff make outside the navy? $100,000 cash. Cold cash. Come on, let me hook you up, we'll even give you $5,000 if you sign up. It is a cakewalk, in 4 years you'll be out, and while you are in, we'll show you exotic places, exotic pussy. What do you want to do? Work in a McDonalds the next 4 years trying to save money for college? Hell, you can't even read".
Then the real story starts after boot camp. "You want me to do what? Tie a rope around my waist and drop down off the side of the battleship and clean the salt off the boat??" then in 4 years "My time is finally up. WHAT??? I got extended. By who?". And then the worst trick of all, 5 years later. "But I have nuclear experience, why can't I work for Ford? What, you exported all your jobs? Where??"
They have to get people in one way or another. Army and government recruitment is like spam for making your penis bigger. They will rip off anyone they can. It is ashame we let them in highschools to sell their programs to kids under 18, to prep them for when they turn 18. Kids should need to have their parents sign an approval form for their kids in highschool to watch the recruitments.
Rosco: "If brains were gunpowder, Enos couldn't blow his nose."
It is an all-too-common misconception that disagreeing with a nation's administration renders one "unpatriotic." As far as I know, the definition of a patriot remains "one who loves and defends his or her country."
What many these days seem to fail to realize is that one's country and one's government are too very different things. If that were not the case, those fighting for America's freedom from British rule during the American Revolution, the quintessential example of an American patriot, would not be considered patriotic at all.
I'd like to remind everyone that the kid wearing the "Fuck Bush" t-shirt is still very much a patriot, so long as he loves his country for blessing him with the freedom to express his beliefs that contradict the administration's policy.
(And yes, I do realize that anyone kid wearing said t-shirt is, in all likelihood, doing so for attention rather than to further a political opinion.)
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There used to be a time when you could comment on such articles without it being turned into a political diatribe. This article is damn interesting and there could be some awesome commentary by some /.'ers. However you political numbnuts decided to turn this into soapbox rant afternoon.
/. groupthink. Leave your political rants for the /. political threads.
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BTW, I am left-leaning as well, but for fucks sake keep your politics to yourself. It's completely off-topic yet gets modded up becuase of
Cmon guys don't drag this place down a notch. It's annoying to sort through at +4/5 expecting cool comments but all you get is some guys off topic political rant that fits the
has it ever entered your thick skulls that if you stop pissing people off they might not want to hurt you?
They suffer from imagination deficiency. Apart from disrupting things like pipelines, which (as I discovered when working for a company that made pipeline parts, among other things) have some interesting design deficiencies, there is the potential to do things like change the schedule of estuarine sewage pumps so that they pump out on the rising, not the falling tide. Or change the dosing pump settings on water treatment plants. Most of the world is incredibly dependent on clean water and sewage treatment, with river pollution so high as to make untreated water undrinkable. Serious disruption to the water system would kill or make sick a lot of old people and young children - and, just like US and Russian landmines that are designed to injure children rather than kill them, this would have disruptive effects out of proportion to the numbers and economic activity of those affected.
Panurge has posted for the last time. Thanks for the positive moderations.
Is that you're terror attack strategy? Try to break into the 911 network just as someone who doesn't speak very good English, is having a heart attack?
Your response has shown me that I didn't make myself very clear in the posting. I was simply refuting the statement that no one dies when networks go down and provided a simple example to back it up.
I'm not so small minded to think that attacking just the 911 system would be an effective terror attack. Now, take down the cell towers and phone exchanges in NYC would cause havoc enough, but do it while turning off the power grids and killing off the communication channels the emergency response units use to communicate to people in the field. With no way to contact police and emergency responce units, the greed and paranoia of 8 million people would quickly make a war zone look like a kindergarden.
I could go farther, but I don't want to give up too many ideas to the RIAA/MPAA and the phone company to use for evil.
Good judgment comes from experience, and a lot of that comes from bad judgment.