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Windows Nearly Ready For Desktop Use

wallykeyster writes "NewsForge (ed: a Slashdot sister site) has an interesting review of Windows XP Home, written from the perspective of a longtime Linux user (ed: Editor roblimo). The article clearly is intended to be somewhat humorous while making a point to the 'Linux isn't ready for the desktop' crowd. The reviewer does a fair job of pointing out the strengths of Windows along with the weaknesses that would be apparent to someone trying to make the switch from Linux." From the article: "Windows XP can't be considered consumer-ready until it has driver support for common LCD monitors during its installation and bootup procedure, especially if those monitors are easily and routinely recognized by popular Linux distributions. It's possible that the monitor manufacturers aren't willing to give Microsoft and other proprietary operating system companies the information they need to create appropriate drivers and that the manufacturers, not Microsoft, deserve the blame for this problem."

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  1. Longtooth will solve these problems... by rice_burners_suck · · Score: 5, Funny
    Windows is nearly ready for the desktop, and that includes security as well as LCD driver technology that actually works. This will all happen in the next major revision of Windows, Longtooth.

    Sources whom I consider accurate have told me that despite Microsoft's claims that Longtooth will be released by 2006 or 2007, the planned release date is actually late in 2019. Microsoft's secret goals for this version are:

    • To reduce the user's perception of the complexity of Windows.
    • To gain increased security from emerging threats, such as viruses, worms, spam, spyware, adware, malware, hackers, and phreakers, among others.

    Microsoft will accomplish these goals through a variety of changes. First, Longtooth will no longer be based on the Windows NT design philosophy, as were Windows 2000 and XP. Instead, Microsoft will release MS-DOS 9.0 2003, a 64-bit multithreaded DOS written in VisualBASIC.Net, and Windows Longtooth will run on top of that. Also, Longtooth will contain more code changes than any previous version of Windows, both in the number of changed source lines of code (SLOCs) and in the percentage of the total Windows codebase changed. Tremendous numbers of new features are being implemented in completely new code.

    More importantly, Microsoft employees are combing through the codebase, in a relentless search for code that is mature, stabilized, and proven. This search has proved difficult, but when found, such code will be marked for reimplementation. I'm told that most of this code will be reimplemented in VisualBASIC.NET, even if the prior version was written in another language, such as C or C++. Programmers making the new VisualBasic.NET code are not allowed to look at the code that already exists, so that fixes to known issues will not be known until well after the software is deployed to millions of users.

    The reason for these changes is simple: Study after study conducted by Microsoft has proven that security through obscurity is the only way to go, especially in an operating system deployed to millions of users, with many instances running mission critical applications in finance, industry, government, and other sectors. Microsoft has identified that viruses, worms, spam, spyware, adware, malware, hackers, and phreakers are able to compromise Windows security because vulnerabilities in the code are known. By changing much of the codebase, especially the stablest and most proven parts, Microsoft will thwart the efforts of malicious programmers, as it will take time for them to find the new vulnerabilities in the unknown code.

    To meet Microsoft's first goal of reducing the user's perception of the complexity of Windows, Microsoft will integrate a new technology, dubbed Microsoft Windows User Simplicity And Security Manager 2003, into Longtooth. This technology will hide all configuration settings from the user. All settings will be completely automatic, and the user will have no need to know or care what is under the hood. In reality, Longtooth will be the most complex version of Windows yet, with thousands of configuration settings controlling nearly every function of the operating system. The settings will be produced by discovery algorithms designed to automatically set a "sane" configuration. Since there will be no interface to modify any setting, the user will have no choice in his configuration, thus simplifying the user's perception of the system's complexity.

    To meet the second goal of increased security, these settings will be scattered throughout the OS, its components, and in other areas of the file system. For example, Microsoft knows that viruses, worms, spam, spyware, adware, malware, hackers, and phreakers are interested in moving the icons on user desktops without the user's permission, so settings controlling the number and size of icons appearing on the desktop will be scattered throughout parts of the registry, batch files, .ini files, web bookmarks, in the Windows kernel, in the file allocation table, in th

    1. Re:Longtooth will solve these problems... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      As much as I love Linux (and the uNix-y underpinnings of the Powerbook I'm typing on at the very moment), I have to say that most of us geeks just don't get it - nearly all users in the world are technophobes who appreciate and need computers but have neither the desire, knowledge or need to access/tweak/control every last flippin' setting.

      In many ways this post was really good, really funny and spot on... but I keep wondering when we'll will grok the fact that the things we find important (fine control, infinitely flexible features, elegant abstraction, cool frameworks) are astonishingly unimportant and even intimidating to the most of the world's technology users.

      I really have no love for MS but at the same time, from a techno-secularist perspective, can you fault them for at least trying to give *the people* what they want and need? Is Linux giving the people what they really want and need? Is Apple? Are you?

      Oh yeah, I almost forgot... no one except geeks gives two sh*ts about what language any software is written in. But they do want it to be safe. And they defintely need it to work.

      Frankly, I wish we'd stop being so damn smug about all this. And I wish we'd stop deluding oursleves into believeing that somehow the cool, geeky-tweeky OSs are the same ones that users want to buy and, subsequently, actually use.

    2. Re:Longtooth will solve these problems... by acidrain · · Score: 4, Insightful

      And I wish we'd stop deluding oursleves into believeing that somehow the cool, geeky-tweeky OSs are the same ones that users want to buy and, subsequently, actually use.

      Funny thing is, so called "power users" influence the buying habits of the masses. It is just like the perfume companies that market to the trendy 30 year olds with power suits because other women imitate them. People consult any nerds they know before making the big step of buying a computer hoping for some inside tips.

      The people who make purchasing descisions for large companies are also computer nerds. You can see this in the slow adoption of desktop linux in large corps and government.

      Really though, you just need to take a pill, the guy was just posting some grade A nerd humor.

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    3. Re:Longtooth will solve these problems... by batkiwi · · Score: 4, Informative

      You are 100% incorrect. You're allowed to create your own slipstreamed driver and service pack disk, regardless of whether you're a home user or a business user. Microsoft even gives you a tool called "sysprep," which is for rolling out your own windows images.

      In addition, they have a cool tool which will add a file to your windows cd image (which you then burn) toauto-answer all of the questions asked during install.

  2. amusing but... by Transient0 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    large parts of it read as a critique not of windows per se but rather of the whole money-for-software framework.

    examples:
    Base Cost (as compared to Linux)
    CD-Key
    Expense of Additional Applications

  3. oh, and another thing before XP's ready by yagu · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Great article! On more than one level:

    • it's cute
    • it's genuinely funny
    • and most importantly (in my opinion), it's rock solid in its logic... Setting aside for a moment its humorous side, the article makes a honest, clear, and I think compelling case for linux! Right on and congratulations!

    On the other hand, I'd like to make my own contribution as to one of the most ongoing and glaring "needs fixing" of XP....

    I think one thing that will eventually make Windows XP for HOME (or PRO) ready for the desktop is fixing the START button. I'm still trying to explain to some of the people I have to support "LOGOFF" and "TURN OFF COMPUTER" are accessed by clicking the START button. It's hard to explain to them why when even I don't get it.

    1. Re:oh, and another thing before XP's ready by DrSkwid · · Score: 5, Funny

      simple, it is time to start stopping

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    2. Re:oh, and another thing before XP's ready by angle_slam · · Score: 4, Funny

      Throwing a disk in the trash to get it to eject seemed to confuse a lot of people, also.

    3. Re:oh, and another thing before XP's ready by nuggetman · · Score: 4, Funny

      I'm still trying to explain to some of the people I have to support "LOGOFF" and "TURN OFF COMPUTER" are accessed by clicking the START button

      1996 called, they want their whining back. if these people haven't figured out where these things are by now perhaps they shouldn't be using computers.

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    4. Re:oh, and another thing before XP's ready by baryon351 · · Score: 4, Funny

      I have to support "LOGOFF" and "TURN OFF COMPUTER" are accessed by clicking the START button. It's hard to explain to them why when even I don't get it.

      Tell me about it. There was this other operating system I once used where to uninstall a program, you used apt-get

      It's hard to explain to them when even I don't get it!

      apt-get remove something. How nuts.

  4. Microsoft replies by lecithin · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Microsoft:

    Linux nearly ready for server use.

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  5. Re:Hmmmm by RealAlaskan · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Parody is funny when it's based on the truth. As much as a piece of garbage that XP Home is, arguing (tongue in cheek or otherwise) that it's not ready for the desk top is a bit silly.

    I wonder if that was the point? By the standards that the ``Linux isn't ready for the desktop'' crowd apply to Linux, Windows isn't ready for the desktop, either.

    I haven't tried to install OSX, so I can say that no OS that I am familiar with is ``ready for the desktop'' by those standards.

    Roblimo just took the standard ``Linux isn't ready for the desktop'' article, replaced Linux with Windows and visa versa, and threw in a couple of very accurate slams at Windows weak points.

    Good parody, based on truth. That's why it was funny.

  6. Ironic, and still serious by Husgaard · · Score: 4, Insightful
    I got a great laugh by reading the article. But when looking at it again, I see that is based on facts. The Linux desktop(s) really have outdone the Microsoft desktop now. This used to be a problem for the adoption of Linux on the desktop but no longer, I think. Although I primarily use Linux and MS-Windows Home Edition only occasionally, I have to agree that (while there may still be other problems with Linux) the desktop is at least as good as the desktop produced by Microsoft.

    And I don't want to start another flamewar about what the best desktop for Linux is...

  7. monitor driver by Sebastopol · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Why the ferk does a monitor even need a driver?

    It bugs me when mundane devices need drivers.

    Like keyboards and monitors.

    What's next, my power supply will need a driver?

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    1. Re:monitor driver by StarManta.Mini · · Score: 4, Interesting

      What kills me is printers. I mean, there are very few ways printers differ, really, until you get to high-end and professional printers. But every single home printer requires its own goddamn driver! In order to get them to "just work", Apple has to include 1.5GB of printer drivers. (Presumably, Windows still operates on the "install drivers as you need them" philosophy.)
      FIFTEEN HUNDRED FUCKING MEGABYTES.
      TO SQUIRT INK ONTO A PAGE.

  8. Re:Hmmmm by FauxPasIII · · Score: 4, Interesting

    > A much better experiment would be to find people who have NEVER used computers in ANY form or OS. Give them
    > a configured Windows machine, and a configured Linux machine. THEN see which one gets used more.
    > Now that would actually be a USEFUL study.

    And it's been done. And GNU/Linux won. And it was something like RedHat 7.3 with Gnome 1.4.

    Hopefully somebody still has that story, as I've long since lost the link ;)

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  9. And how's that different than Linux? by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 4, Interesting

    So I've been playing with Linux on my desktop receantly, Fedora Core 3 specifily. I've used Linux in server settings for a long time but never on the desktop, figure it'd be good to get some experience. Now, as you point out, when Windows is installed, it lacks hardware OpenGL acceleration. It does have a basic software layer, but it's slow. Direct3d acceleration also doesn't work. It only does 2d, and not all that fast. Easily solved, however. I go to ATi's site, download the driver, and click install, the rest is taken care of. DirectX, OpenGL, and the GDI are all fully accelerated.

    So I get Fedora installed. It comes up, and recognises my card correctly and we go. However the interface is a little sluggish when it comes to refreshes. I run a GL app and discover it's using software rendering which is very slow, and low quality. So I again go to ATi's site and download the drivers, ATi does have Linux drivers as well as Windows. Then begins my quest:

    The drivers are RPM, so I tell them to install, no dice, conflicts with Mesa. Removing that proves to completely hose X. Ok so leave Mesa there, force the ATi installation. X comes up and it looks like it's using the ATi driver, but still no acceleration. Dig around on the net, turns out you have to run a script to make them work. Ok, run script, no dice, can't find something. Consult with Linux guy, says the error means they need kernel headers, maybe source too. K, thought those were there, I told it to install all the dev stuff. Whatever, get kernel source, recompile kernel, and now headers are there. Try script again, no dice. More digging turns up reference to drivers being for 2.6.10 not 2.6.11 but try these patches. Patch files, run script, success. Then run next script, no dice, won't install the module. Linux guy looks at it, not sure why. Decide to just try 2.6.10 since I have something else that likes that anyhow, there's actually an apt package (no not yum, apt, apparantly you can get that for Fedora) that is supposed to make it work all nice and easy with that. Try that, it goes and installs successfully. Reboot and.... reports the kernel module is incompatible on bootup.

    And that's where it stands until I go back to work next week.

    I'm failing to see the big advantage here. While it looks like Mesa is a more complete implementation of GL than comes with Windows, it's still software so the quality is horrible and it;s so slow that it's totally unusable for professional work, or even gaming.

    Now in Windows the problem was a simple fix. Download a driver, click install. Everything else was handled and it works superbly. In Linux, I've gone through quite a lengthy process and it STILL doesn't work. I'm sure I'll solve the problem on Tuesday, however I can gaurentee a non-techie would have given up long ago.

    1. Re:And how's that different than Linux? by t35t0r · · Score: 4, Informative

      This is why i love gentoo and won't ever use any other linux distro, this is even faster than going to ati and downloading the driver for winxp if you already have your kernel setup and pointed to by /usr/src/linux:

      If you don't already have a kernel
      1) emerge gentoo-sources
      2) genkernel ..most already do at this point, so all you need to do are these steps:

      3) emerge ati-drivers
      4) opengl-update ati
      5) fglrxconfig , follow the directions, if you can't or don't want to understand it, then go buy a mac or use winxp.
      6) restart X (no reboot required), ctrl+alt+backspace will do just fine ..i've switched between my R9600 and GEForce 5500 so quickly because of Gentoo's setup ..the geforce has better drivers but its DVI output doesn't want to work (won't even POST) so it's sitting in a box.