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History of Netscape and Mozilla

Sabah Arif writes "Netscape was there at the beginning of the internet boom. In 1996, the company controlled 90 percent of the browser market, but now its usershare is in the single digits. The spawn of Netscape, Firefox, has never been more popular, and is poised to beat Microsoft in the browser market. Read the history of Netscape and Mozilla at MLAgazine."

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  1. Please cut out the mindless propaganda. by jolyonr · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The spawn of Netscape, Firefox, has never been more popular, and is poised to beat Microsoft in the browser market.

    I'm a firefox fanatic, it's without doubt the superior browser. But spouting such mindless rubbish as that comment doesn't do anyone any good. In my mind 'Poised to beat' would be when Firefox is at 49% browser share, not the less than 10% (compared to 80%+ for IE). Keep the propaganda out of news items please, and let Firefox promote itself by simply being the better browser.

    Jolyon

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    1. Re:Please cut out the mindless propaganda. by lazuli42 · · Score: 5, Funny

      The spawn of vi, Vim, has never been more popular, and is poised to beat Notepad in the text editor market.

      Maybe? Maybe not. How about:

      The spawn of xv, The Gimp, has never been more popular, and is poised to beat Photoshop in the graphics market.

      Nah... Perhaps:

      The spawn of some Swedes, Blender, has never been more popular, and is poised to beat 3d Studio Max in the 3d modelling market.

      You gotta be happy with *one* of those.

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    2. Re:Please cut out the mindless propaganda. by lazuli42 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Way to cherry-pick your numbers:

      W3Schools is a website for people with an interest for web technologies. These people are more interested in using alternative browsers than the average user. The average user tends to use Internet Explorer, since it comes preinstalled with Windows. Most do not seek out other browsers.

      These facts indicate that the browser figures below are not 100% realistic. Other web sites have statistics showing that Internet Explorer is used by at least 80% of the users.

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    3. Re:Please cut out the mindless propaganda. by CSMastermind · · Score: 2, Informative

      From the site you linked:
      Why so high Firefox figures? W3Schools is a website for people with an interest for web technologies. These people are more interested in using alternative browsers than the average user. The average user tends to use Internet Explorer, since it comes preinstalled with Windows. Most do not seek out other browsers. These facts indicate that the browser figures below are not 100% realistic. Other web sites have statistics showing that Internet Explorer is used by at least 80% of the users.

      IE is still the dominate browser on the internet. What's more, some users browse using both IE and Firefox. Then there are a select (but growing few) who useing only firefox. Now the reasons for that are up for debate but grandparent is right.

    4. Re:Please cut out the mindless propaganda. by Michalson · · Score: 5, Interesting

      IE was only ahead because of the way it locked people into writing for the funny way it displays pages

      Funny, that sounds like another browser I know. Long before Microsoft entered the browser arena to make Windows a viable internet machine out of the box, a company called Netscape was destroying competition in the browser world with it's "embrace and extend" philosophy. Rather then follow the standards of the day, Netscape proceeded to liberally "enhance" their browser with quirks only they supported (most infamous being the blink tag). With their vision of turning the web into a form of TV (where the webpage controlled your computer with crap like popups, window resizing and statusbar changing) they managed to create a browser that had lots of interesting (or stupid, depending on your view) things for web developers to do, but was completely incompatible with every other browser. Their monopoly got so bad webservers where being coded to look for the "Mozilla" string at the beginning of the agent field, rejecting people who didn't use the one browser because pages designed for it wouldn't render correctly on standard browsers. This forced the competition to modify their user agent just to get a page (even Internet Explorer had to identify itself as "Mozilla"), at which point they still had to try and emulate Netscapes propritary extensions.

      Now by Netscape 3 the rest of the original browser market had been crushed by anti-competitive practices. However a new browser was appearing at this time, the first viable version of Internet Explorer, IE 3. Unlike smaller companies that Netscape could push around, IE was being made by a company with enough money to play (and eventually beat) Netscape at it's own game. IE 3 matched a great deal of Netscapes extended standard, then proceeded to do some extending of their own. By the next major incarnation, Netscape/IE 4, Explorer was not only playing Netscape's game, it was playing it just as well if not better then the master. What really helped though was that at this point there was an actual standards body appearing, creating CSS as a web standard. IE, in addition to creating it's own extensions, proceeded to try and support it (creating the first viable implimentation). Now while the IE CSS implimentation is today seen as quirky and incomplete, back then it looked quite good compared to Netscape, who apparently believing they where still living in the one browser world where Netscape could simply define a new standard whenever they wanted to kill competition, had proceeded to try making their own new standard, implimenting CSS as less then an after thought (where as IE has problems rendering CSS exactly to spec, Netscape just plain crashed on all but the simplest code). This created a market where the choice was between a browser that came on your computer, rendered its webpages and the webpages of the competition correctly, and was generally quite stable, vs a browser you had to download, didn't render half of new webpages correctly, and had a habbit of randomly crashing (CSS was sometimes the cause, but especially during the 4.5 period you could expect at least 1 crash for no reason each session). Netscape sealed the deal when they waited forever to release Netscape 6 (they skipped the 5 generation, allowing Microsoft to get a further leg up), which when finally released turned out to be the least stable browser ever concieved by man (for reasons unknown Netscape dropped their code base and wrote 6 from scratch - the successor to Netscape, Mozilla, was based on the actually usable 4.x codebase)

    5. Re:Please cut out the mindless propaganda. by SA+Stevens · · Score: 2, Funny

      It's good to know that you read his comment closely enough to find the ONLY inaccuracy in it.

      Netscape was out-weaseled by Microsoft. Which makes them the lesser weasel. But still a weasel.

      'Nuff said.

    6. Re:Please cut out the mindless propaganda. by edwdig · · Score: 4, Informative

      Keep in mind that in the early days of Netscape, there was no W3C. Pure HTML really wasn't very good. HTML was about as capable of formatting things as Windows 3.1 Write was.

      Blink certainly was a bad choice, but Netscape also created tags such as table and center.

      For the 4.x browsers, Netscape created the layer tag. MS saw the beta, and decided to out do Netscape by creating a different standard and pushing it through the W3C before Netscape tried pushing theirs through. That's how things ended up like they did.

      Netscape 6 was just the Mozilla release of the time with the name & logo changed. The Netscape 4.x code was horrible. The Mozilla team was almost ready to do a 5.0 beta release, but eventually decided it wouldn't be a hell of a lot better than 4.x and would just piss people off more. A complete rewrite of the project was being done in parallel which was always intended to be used for 6.0. They underestimated the amount of work necessary to finish the 6.0 branch, and decided to completely skip 5.0 figuring 6.0 wasn't too far away.

  2. Netscape 4 to IE 5 by lazuli42 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I remember when I made the switch from Netscape 4 to IE 5. I resisted IE for many years, but at some point it just became evident that Internet Explorer was a superior product in almost every way.

    Once Foxfire became stable and usable I switched to it, and some time later it became Firefox. So far it's the best browsing experience I've had and the extentions published for it make it endlessly expandable.

    I think there will always be a segment of the market that is satisfied with whatever does the minimum possible to get the job done, but as we see Firefox's market share rise we know that some people will take the time to upgrade to the superior browser.

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    1. Re:Netscape 4 to IE 5 by __aawfbm2023 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Once Foxfire became stable and usable I switched to it, and some time later it became Firefox. Oh yeah? Well I'm such a hardcore, ultra to the maxx, mozilla fan that I was using Firefox back when it was called Oxireff!

    2. Re:Netscape 4 to IE 5 by lazuli42 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Well, the truth is that I was using f06f143 back in 1998 when it was just a series of hex codes, but it wasn't as stable as Internet Explorer so I just had to wait for it to cook a while longer.

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  3. Just the facts, ma'am by coupland · · Score: 4, Insightful

    > Firefox, has never been more popular, and is poised to beat Microsoft in the browser market.

    Come on, folks, I'm a rabid Firefox fan and even *I* know this kind of rhetoric doesn't belong on the front page...

  4. Article's text by StefanoB · · Score: 4, Informative

    The second most popular browser available today, Firefox, is a direct descendant of the Mosaic Netscape browser released in 1994. The product was created by NCSA refugees, Jim Clark and Jim Andresson. Together, they revolutionized the internet, making it synonymous with the world wide web.

    NCSA Mosaic was the first popular, graphical browser available to personal computer users. Before, the internet and its resources were primarily only available to those in academia and other research institutions. Eventually, online providers began to offer internet access in addition to their proprietary networks, and HTML took off. The first browsers available to the public were very primitive, typically only capable of rendering simple text and hyperlinks. The University of Illinois, at the National Center for Supercomputing Applications, developed the Mosaic browser. It was innovative because it was capable of rendering images, and itself had a graphical interface. By 1993, it was the dominant force on the internet. It had almost complete dominance over the internet, and was widely applauded for its quality.

    Other people and companies wanted in on the game. Jim Andresson, developer of Mosaic for UNIX, and Jim Clark left the NCSA to found Mosaic Communications on April 4, 1994. Capitalizing on the former student's familiarity of the Mosaic browser, Mosaic Communications released its first browser months later. Its name was Netscape. Almost instantly, it became more popular than Mosaic, mostly because of bundling deals with internet service providers. Navigator included many new features not found in Mosaic. The most popular one was the ability to display pages as they download. Unlike most other browsers, a user did not have to wait for the entire page to download before it was usable. The NCSA took issue with the name Mosaic Communications, and the company was renamed Netscape Communications, and the browser was renamed Navigator.

    A year later, Netscape was short on funds, and decided to go public with its initial stock price at $28. On its IPO, the stock price rose to $75, an unheard of leap in the software business. Netscape continued to gain marketshare, and controlled %90 of the browser market in mid-1995.

    Version 2 of Netscape included a plethora of new features, many of them haphazardly implemented. The new version included support for cookies, frames and a new email client. Netscape 2 grew even faster than the first version, and helped Netscape double its revenues every quarter in 1995.

    Navigator was evolving. It had added many new features and tags that were not available on any other browser (though eventually, most of these tags would be adopted the W3C), which made it difficult for other browsers to coexist with Netscape. As its marketshare and revunes grew, so to did the company's scope. Netscape began developing a product called Constellation. Constellation would allow a user to access files from a desktop anywhere on a network. It was to make the operating system an irrelevant component on the desktop computer.

    Microsoft felt threatened by Netscape's continued growth, especially its assertion that the browser would replace the operating system as the most important software on a computer. Several executives visited the Netscape campus in August of 1995, and made a proposal. Netscape would cease all development for their Windows version of Navigator, but would face no competition from Microsoft on other platforms. The company refused, and Microsoft began developing a new web browser.

    Unable to develop their own web browser so quickly, Microsoft turned to Spyglass, who had licensed Mosaic's source code from the NCSA. Microsoft would give Mosaic a monthly payment, and a percentage of the revenues the browser generated. Using Mosaic code, Microsoft released Internet Explorer 1.0 on August 1995 as part of the Internet Jumpstart pack for Windows 95. The new browser was widely derided for being so primitive and clumsy. It was little m

    1. Re:Article's text by Atmchicago · · Score: 2, Informative

      Unfortunately the article is wrong in an important aspect - the man is Marc Andresson, not Jim Andresson. Thought I would bring that mistake to light.

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  5. Poised to beat?! by orionware · · Score: 5, Funny

    Folks, the score is Team A 95, Team B 3. It looks like Team B is poised to finally beat Team A. What a game! What a game!

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  6. The numbers by sellin'papes · · Score: 2, Informative
    I agree, firefox is still far from ousting IE from dominating the market. Here are the numbers from W3 Schools website.

    W3 shows IE at 65%, Opera at 2%, Firefox at 25%, Mozilla at 3.5%, and Netscape at 1%. While this is the lowest IE has every been, its decreasing slowly.

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  7. Ready to take the crown ? by cyberfunk2 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Is firefox ready to take the browsing crown ?

    Not quite I say.. there's unfortunately still a few things holding it back. As I see it, the following hold FF back from being the dominant browser (note: not all these are things that are FF/Mozilla Fndations' fault).

    IE is the default browser in all windows distros, unfortunately, this means IE has a defacto advantage, and a huge one at that, as many people dont even know the alternative exists.

    On the same note: Many people dont know about FF. Things like spread firefox and word of mouth, and positive press are helping this problem in a big way. Now even some of my non-tech savvy friends proclaim "I'll never touch explorer again, I love the 'Fox". Firefox has become enough of a better browser that they see that as superior.

    Stubborn IT policies that refuse to consider new applications, namely a new default browser for companies. I know my school has finally seen the light and included FF as an option on the default install on all publicly available computers. But it's still not on the desktop, hidden away in the programs menu. We need the make it just as easy to launch FF as to launch IE (I know a default install of FF puts a desktop icon there, but we need to get IT departments to leave it there).

    The extremely techincally illiterate who hold corporate power. That is, those upper level managers who have only ever known IE, and are terrified to use anything else because of those viruses and worms they keep hearing about. If they're intelligent, they'll listen to smart IT advice, however, we know how often upper management likes to think they know best outside their area.

    I'm sure there are areas that i've missed, but these are some of the problem's facing down the 'Fox as I see it.

  8. Re:browser dominance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Yes, capitalism includes the right to price one's product as one sees fit. So now you want it to be against the law to give away free stuff?

    What's next on your agenda, banning charity?

    People like IE and don't care enough to look for alternatives .. quit trying to shove your "solutions" down people's throats.

    Most Microsoft users can switch to an alternative operating system without being summarily executed by the Secret Police.

    Alternatives to Microsoft exist and aren't being hidden under a rock.

    People don't want them .. deal with it.

  9. Re:Taco speaks English as a first language? by Richard_J_N · · Score: 2, Informative

    I agree that this is barbaric, but it is correct English. Try reading it thus (I've re-arranged the sentence to make it easier to parse, but haven't changed the grammar):

    Firefox, the spawn of Netscape, has never been more popular, and is poised to beat Microsoft in the browser market.

  10. Wow... that was bad. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    Second sentence: "The product was created by NCSA refugees, Jim Clark and Jim Andresson." Who the heck is Jim Andresson?

    Then the article goes on to be filled with gems like: "Several months later, NGLayout, renamed Gecko, was released several months later, but a browser based on it would not be released to the public for years, though there were publicly available betas."

    And my favorite: "An open source database from Germany carried the name Firefox, so the project was renamed for the last time. It was called Firefox."

  11. It's Marc Andresson by soeck · · Score: 2, Informative

    > The product was created by NCSA refugees, Jim Clark and Jim Andresson.

    No, it was Jim Clark and Marc Andresson.

  12. IE was the best browser for a while by tjstork · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Netscape had a great lead in 1996 but when IE 4.0 came out, with its far superior Java scripting capabilities, Netscape was junk. IE 5.0 only furthered that gap. And whatever happened to Netscape 5? Hmmm.

    Bundling aside, IE crushed Netscape because IE was the better browser.

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  13. RTFA! Phoenix! and Marketshare? by screwthemoderators · · Score: 2, Informative

    It was called Phoenix, not FoxFire! Also, marketshare isn't really an accurate term. Maybe with Opera, and iCab (which refuses to die) you can talk about a market. Personally, I'd be releived if Firefox takes over from Linux as the 'posterchild' of free software. Linux tends to confuse Joe User as to what Open Source is all about.

  14. My website's stats by Cmdr+Whackjob · · Score: 4, Interesting

    My website's percentages (I would say a somewhat stereotype independent website):

    January 2005:
    MS Internet Explorer 95.9 %
    Netscape 1.8 %
    Mozilla 1 %
    Opera 0.4 %
    Safari 0.4 %

    February 2005:
    MS Internet Explorer 92.5 %
    Mozilla 4.1 %
    Netscape1.4 %
    Safari 0.8 %
    Opera 0.5 %

    March 2005:
    MS Internet Explorer 90.9 %
    Mozilla 2.7 %
    FireFox 2.1 %
    Netscape 1.4 %

    My guess is that my host just updated awstats so that firefox and mozilla are seperated. It does list FireBird (less than .5% every month), so that kind of confuses me. Either way, IE is going way down, and Mozilla/FireFox are going up.

  15. Re:Good grammar by azzy · · Score: 5, Funny

    So.. you would prefer:

    The spawn of Netscape and Firefox and has never been more popular and and is poised

  16. Re:How about taking apple webcore by Ford+Prefect · · Score: 2, Insightful
    webcore they allow to freely download so anybody could download that and work on a better browser. and if the current lgpl violations can be worked out it could make yet another very good alternative to IE so together firefox netscape mozilla safari and other webcore browsers could take IE market share

    Does your typing involve conscious thought, or merely involuntary, peristaltic regurgitation of mutated Slashdot memetic material? ;-)
    1. Webcore is indeed a very nice HTML renderer, but it's definitely not a whole web browser. You'd need to add a user interface, HTTP mechanisms, display code and whatnot, as well as integrate plugin code, Javascript etc.
    2. There are no LGPL violations, merely some KDE developers frustrated that while everyone thought there was loads of happy, shiny collaboration going on between them and Apple, there wasn't.
    3. You're not going to magically acquire another 10% of the market for another Win32 browser unless it does something remarkably new and/or different. Firefox, Mozilla, Netscape and Opera are effectively niche markets already, sadly.

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  17. The article author cannot even get the name right by gnugnugnu · · Score: 4, Informative
    An open source database from Germany carried the name Firefox, so the project was renamed for the last time. It was called Firefox.
    (sic)

    The name changes Mozilla has gone through are so confusing even the author cannot properly keep track of them. The database was called Firebird. One good thing to come out of all the messing was they made sure to carefully isolate all the branding information and make tools like Firesomething possible, allowing users to personalise their browser.

  18. mlagazine.com got a boost by downsize · · Score: 2, Interesting

    hopefully they will read what we have commented over here and brush up on their research and editing staff. I do not need to point out every mistake, most of you have caught them already in the ~50 comments posted for this article. But whoa momma there are many.

    the cool thing is, most of us that commented actually RTFA - maybe M-LAG-azine did not think they would have anyone read it, just hit the site, see it was full of holes and start clicking some ads or without readers the contents of the article would not have to be accurate?

    It is a shame, they are touting themselves as 'a site devoted to the history of personal computing' - I guess you don't have to have your facts straight, just 'devoted' to putting flawed history writeups. I'm scared to check out their sister site 'Macreate'.

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  19. Mirror by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative
  20. Re:How about taking apple webcore by Richard_at_work · · Score: 2, Informative

    What 'current lgpl violations'?

  21. Re:How about taking apple webcore by masklinn · · Score: 2, Insightful
    webcore they allow to freely download so anybody could download that and work on a better browser. and if the current lgpl violations can be worked out it could make yet another very good alternative to IE so together firefox netscape mozilla safari and other webcore browsers could take IE market share
    Right, and Webcore isn't platform specific and does not use MacOSX specific features that ain't replicated anywhere else, which means that it'll be easy to port Safari to W32 machines...
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  22. Retro computing by grumling · · Score: 2, Funny
    Nice that the slashdot effect made the server work like an old dialup connection. Ah, memories!

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  23. firefox may have a chance w/our help by yagu · · Score: 2, Interesting

    As a number of posters have noted, the article is riddled with errors (Jim???), and doesn't say much that isn't common sense. However the conjecture about Firefox taking over the market is only conjecture.

    I do think firefox has a chance of doing big things, but it's not going to do it by itself. Firefox still needs our help.

    Tomorrow I am going to my brother's house to set up his new computer for his daughter who will take that computer to college this fall. As per normal I will spend about 30 minutes getting it set up, and then about another hour ensuring it has firefox, and thunderbird installed and prominently in the quick launch tray, and also configured for fast startup (always in memory after first use).

    Additionally I will expunge all visible references to IE and Outlook (on the START menu, in the Programs menu, etc.) and ensure his default clients are set to firefox and thunderbird.

    Fortunately I don't have to give any tutorial on firefox and its features as I've already set up his other computer previously and he now doesn't even really remember how to fire up IE.... so much the better. I also switched out any software that overrides the default browser setting (specifically McAffee).

    For all slashdotters, this is one contribution we can make above and beyond posts in this forum. (Lots of good posts and info in this forum.... my brother hasn't a clue what slashdot is, nor does he care -- probably the attitude of 99%++ of the consumer demographic.) Let's all give firefox the additional nudge -- it couldn't hurt.

  24. What happened to the Java rewrite? by ClosedSource · · Score: 2, Informative

    Didn't Netscape attempt to rewrite their browser in Java? If so, that's an important part of the story.

    The article claims that Netscape was about to go bankrupt just before being purchased by AOL. Given the millions raised by going public this seems unlikely.

  25. Jim Andresson by MacGod · · Score: 2, Informative

    The article says that Netscape was founded by Jim Clark and Jim Andresson (" The product was created by NCSA refugees, Jim Clark and Jim Andresson. Together, they revolutionized the internet, making it synonymous with the world wide web.").

    I could be horribly mistaken, but wasn't it Mark Andreesen? Are was there both a Jim Andresson and a Mark Andreesen?

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