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EU Deadline Approaching for Microsoft

doga writes "As reported by various publications, Microsoft is facing its deadline tonight at midnight central European time. The commissioner has then to decide whether it implemented correctly the measures (windows without media player and interop documentation) or if it should be fined up to 5% of its daily sales." From the article: "European antitrust regulators, who have been at odds with Microsoft over its efforts to comply with its order, hope to make a decision by July 20 as to whether Microsoft has submitted an acceptable proposal for compliance, said Jonathan Todd, a spokesman for the European Union. That date is the last meeting of the European Commission before its summer recess."

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  1. Re:25 minutes to go! by Spad · · Score: 4, Interesting

    There's no real doubt that Microsoft will submit a proposal, however, given their previous efforts, it's likely to be another "Well we'll do *bits* of what you asked and charge people for it" proposal.

    20 days from now means something like $100,000,000 in retroactive fines even *if* Microsoft then immediately handed in an acceptable new proposal on the same day.

    And I'm still not sure if they've actually paid the ~500 million Euro fine that was imposed originally.

  2. Microsoft's take on the matter by Faust7 · · Score: 1, Interesting

    I've heard the whole spiel on the EU thing from Microsoft's point of view, as can only be gotten off the record by a personal friend (he works on Longhorn). To put it simply, Microsoft will comply with the EU's demands as they have to, and they will adapt as necessary - but there are some things on which they simply will not budge, and most of those relate to how they engineer their software.

    Microsoft's internal opinion of the EU is that it is acting entirely for economical reasons, that is, selfish ones. Fining Microsoft millions means lots of needed cash for some of the EU members whose economies aren't doing too hot. It also means the apprecation of Microsoft's competitors in the region (Real, Apple, etc.) who would, to use my friend's phrase, "line their (the EU's) coffers with cash."

    Incidentally, Microsoft is perfectly capable of pulling its business completely out of EU nations, though that is of course an absolute last option. Note that such a move would be disastrous for consumers there (and don't think for a second that it wouldn't be), but Microsoft would continue as ever.

    1. Re:Microsoft's take on the matter by Thanatopsis · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Sorry but your friend working on Longhorn is hardly unbiased isn't he? So there are things that MS won't budge on heh? Well they are about to get the lesson in sovereign nations. I doubt very much that MS will take their ball and go home and right off a market of 400 million people.

    2. Re:Microsoft's take on the matter by BasilBrush · · Score: 4, Interesting
      Microsoft do not have the option not to budge. If the EU makes a final demand upon them then they have to comply, or face having the fines frozen in any European accounts the company owns, any stock, fixture and fittings, property they hold in Europe confiscated etc. And any future attempt to do anything in Europe would also be seized until the fines are paid. And as the fines grow by the day, that would never end.

      Meanwhile, the bottom would drop out of MSFT stock, as every single product line has it's potential sales slashed by the the number of sales they would have had in Europe. Profits would turn to losses. And the end result of that could only be company directors losing their jobs. Bye bye Ballmer.

      I'm sure MS employees like to talk the talk, but the company certainly can't walk the walk. Not on this one.

    3. Re:Microsoft's take on the matter by mrchaotica · · Score: 3, Interesting
      Well they are about to get the lesson in sovereign nations.
      Exactly. If they were to pull out of EU, then it would be completely reasonable to simply stop honoring their copyright (as opposed to jeopardizing national security by crippling their IT infrastructure). No profits for MS, and no harm to the EU.
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      "[Regarding the 'cloud,'] ownership was what made America different than Russia." -- Woz

  3. Re:Right to freedom and ownership by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Why don't collectivists accept the notion that individuals have a right to what they produce? A right to ownership? Maybe because they know they cannot produce.

    It's a give and take: the state also acts as "collectivists" when they allows such things as incorporation: which allows individual investors to get off the hook for paying out for failed business ventures.

    It also supports copyrights, patents, and other such interferances in the free market, in order to promote the collective good.

    Why, when a corporation is being punished for knowingly violating anti-trust laws (laws made to protect the market, and the public good), are you suddenly upset?

    Microsoft probably wouldn't even exist in the first place without government protections in the form of copyright monopolies and laws to support incorporation. Microsoft willfully breaks the law; but heartily sues anyone who does the same. How is that fair?
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    AC

  4. Re:This will have repercussions... by yuriismaster · · Score: 2, Interesting

    those rat bastards will find a way to pass the costs onto the consumer.

    You sir, have no idea how right you are. Basically, whenever a tax is levvied, the supply curve (how much product a producer produces) shifts up and left the tax amount. (See first few diagrams on this page)

    When you have a monopoly position (like MS does), that demand curve (the "\" curve) gets more and more verticval because you kinda need MS prods to survive. Thus that "Deadweight Loss" to consumers, not to MS, is much higer than that of MS.

    Sucks balls, huh?