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Photoshop for DNA

pafischer writes "Forbes is reporting on a Biotech startup company trying to make DNA manipulation as easy as Photoshop. From the article: 'The goal is to move from having to merely tweak the proteins that are used as biotech drugs to being able to design them, even taking material from multiple organisms and using them to create new, functional genes.'"

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  1. Oh No! by justforaday · · Score: 4, Funny

    Judging from the quality of some of the Photoshopped images I've seen out there, I really don't want to see what people will create with this...

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    1. Re:Oh No! by Gadgetfreak · · Score: 2, Funny

      You'll just get people having a competition for who can manipulate the most amusing biological result.

      Although I can't say that was much different than the goals of my friends in high school bio class.

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    2. Re:Oh No! by MikeDX · · Score: 3, Funny

      DNA?? What on earth does the National Dyxlesia Association have to do with Photoshop???

  2. Plugins! by jolyonr · · Score: 3, Funny
    It's going to be fun writing plugins for this!

    Ultra-Sharp-Teeth Plugin

    Breathe Underwater Plugin

    Bigger Breasts Plugin
    Jolyon

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    1. Re:Plugins! by dasunt · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Screw that.

      Imagine what happens when DNA manipulation gets in the realm of being cheap enough for interested parties.

      No more hiding pot plants in the cornfield: The corn itself will be full of THC. Want some cocaine? Have a genetically manipulated carrot.

      The drugwar should be rather interesting when this happens.

  3. lets hope... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    that those tards at fark don't get ahold of this program.

  4. bad article summary from bad article title by geoffspear · · Score: 4, Informative
    The title of the linked article is the only part that even mentions Photoshop. Nowhere in the article does anyone claim that the process would be as easy as using Photoshop, or any other software programming.

    They do compare the advance in genetic manipulation to the difference between editing with Wite-Out and editing with a word processor, but that's what we call an analogy. They're not claiming that producing genes would be something anyone with no training can do with their home computer.

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    1. Re:bad article summary from bad article title by Otter · · Score: 2, Informative
      What the company seems to do is this:

      Currently, it's easy to 1) amplify large chunks of DNA verbatim and 2) change individual nucleotides. What is difficult is making large blocks of novel or heavily modified sequence, as it's expensive or impossible to synthesize them from nucleotides. Codon Devices seems to have a way to generate large chunks of customized sequence.

      How important that turns out to be, we'll see, but the company does have some really smart people behind it. Anyway, that's how I understand it to work -- feel free to contribute a better analogy.

    2. Re:bad article summary from bad article title by Rich0 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Being able to make long synthetic DNA sequences would be immensely valuable. Right now practicality limits synthtic DNA to less than 100 bases. Genes are kilobases long even in bacteria. You need megabases for animals if you want to keep the introns intact (scary - a single animal gene can approach an entire bacterial genome in length).

      What the article lacks is one critical detail - how exactly they plan on doing all this.

      Imagine I started a new company designed to revolutionize computing, pointing out that your measly PC can only run at a few GHz, and I'll make them run at a few THz. Sure, that's great to say, but it would be nice to at least suggest how exactly one plans on going about this...

  5. Gimp by suso · · Score: 4, Funny

    How about making it as easy as Gimp instead. I like the interface better.

    *Ducks*

    1. Re:Gimp by BandwidthHog · · Score: 2, Funny

      Yeah, but it won't be able to manipulate the Y Khromosome.

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  6. Re:Dislexia is such a drag by justforaday · · Score: 3, Funny

    "what do multiple orgasms have to do with DNA research?"

    Quite a bit, actually... : p

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  7. Re:$42.6 million grant from the Bill & Melinda by Kainaw · · Score: 2, Funny

    Mark me as a FOB (Fan of Bill), but kudos to him and his foundation for their contribution to science...

    Of course, he has a motive. He's donating money to help develop a user-friendly gene manipulation tool in hopes that it will cut into the market of the Open Source gene manipulation. Then, when people become dependent on the new gene manipulation, Microsoft will buy the company and merge it with their next version of windows, leaving geeks as the only ones doing gene manipulation the old way (by hand at the console). It always the same with that guy.

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  8. orgasms and DNA research by doublem · · Score: 2, Funny

    I thought, "what do multiple orgasms have to do with DNA research?"

    Oh that's easy.

    Every woman will have not one G-spot but four, one of which will be at the back of the throat.

    Every man will have a unit built from horse DNA.

    And don't forget, everyone will be multi orgasmic!

    Reinforced back muscles to support the standard DD chest. (That's the small model)

    And of course, everyone will have a FANTASTIC rump.

    And then King George W Bush will get wind of this and have everyone's DNA rewritten to be more moral. All pleasure will be taken out of sex, women will be programmed to be subservient to their husbands and submission to authority will be enhanced to the point where average citizens will shoot themselves in the head if anyone in uniform asks them to do so.

    And the Conservative Christian utopia will come to be.

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  9. This is the (relatively) easy part by G4from128k · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Designing DNA to create a given protein is no big deal. The hardest problem is figuring out how the new gene/protein will act inside the organism. Biological systems don't have a nice layered OSI model for what connects to what -- its like nearly everything is a global-accessible variable so side-effects are a real problem. New drugs require huge amounts of R&D in the testing phase, not the synthesis phase.

    I'd be more impressed if someone created an accurate in silico system for testing new drugs, rather than just designing new DNA sequences that MIGHT make useful new proteins that MIGHT make a useful new drug.

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    1. Re:This is the (relatively) easy part by LWATCDR · · Score: 2, Interesting

      If you could do that the next step would be using genetic algorithms. You just plug in what you want to happen and then let the computer run test after test.
      could get freaking scary.

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  10. Leave genes to the geneticists by drewzhrodague · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I agree that genes should be left for geneticists, but when your compiler, debugger, and emmulator/simulator check for bad or even icky results, it might actually be fun to toy with genes, in an neat visual way.

    At least, I have fantasies about modifying vegetables, fruits, and bugs. I expect that wasps can be reengineered to produce complete reams of laser printer paper, even with a sealed paper wrapper. I expect that ants or cockroaches could be modified to clean your house, better than they do. I expect bacteria or other small folded shapes can be reengineered to spit-out carbon nanotubes, construct simple buildings, or eat trash and grow fuel-cell cartridges.

    All this hinges on us being able to effectively "file/print" DNA molecules. It's fun to watch technology accelerate, I am one excited geek.

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  11. Re:Oh, great. by Synbiosis · · Score: 2, Funny

    "That's just what we needed -- a bunch of no-good self-proclaimed "genetic engineers" "creating" "new" genes by doing copy-paste hacks."

    Drew Endy.

    If a professor of Biological Engineering from MIT isn't a genetic engineer, I'd like to know what is.

  12. Ain't gonna happen by nanoakron · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Hate to say it, but this sounds like a pipedream. They want to 'take the proteins and tweak them' an dthen have a computer program spit out the DNA required to make that protein.

    Well whoop-de-do. I'd like to make a computer that can generate wormholes. Doesn't mean it's going to happen.

    Firstly, protein modelling is notoriously complex. Remember folding@home? http://folding.stanford.edu/
    That's right - hundreds of thousands of computers cracking the problem of 12 amino acid chains. That's an oligopeptide, sort of like a 'protein lite'. Real proteins are hundreds to thousands of amino acids long.

    IBM's Blue Gene supercomputers were even specifically designed with protein folding simulations in mind - read http://www.research.ibm.com/bluegene/.

    So this company seems to be doing the following

    1 Come up with nifty, but blindingly obvious, idea
    2 Crack the age-old problem of accurately simulating protein folding
    3 Profit!!!

    It's just that step one is literally so obvious that you could ask a kid. And step 2 is so notoriously complex that I don't expect this company to amount to anything more than a plughole for research grants.

    -Nano.

  13. Re:Photoshop NOT easy enough by Spy+der+Mann · · Score: 2, Funny

    If they come up with Frontpage for DNA, I just might become an investor.

    Then we'll have humans with an extra 30 useless chromosomes - so we'll have to wait until Dreamweaver DNA, DNA Tidy and DNA validator. :)