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Redhat Spins Off Fedora Project

Blahbooboo3 writes "In a bid to attract a larger following among developers, Red Hat has spun off its Fedora open source project into a more independent foundation. As part of the transition, the Fedora open source project will transfer development work and copyright ownership of contributed code to the foundation but Red Hat will continue to provide substantial financial and engineering support." From the article: "The proposed patents common, which mimics the Creative Commons licensing scheme for creative works including art and music, is designed to enable developers to exchange ideas with fewer concerns about patent infringement. and Red Hat's efforts to lobby for patent reform in the U.S. and Europe."

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  1. As of yet... by ImaLamer · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I see nothing on Redhat's site or the Fedora site about this.

    Wouldn't that be the first place I should be looking?

    1. Re:As of yet... by DrinkingIllini · · Score: 3, Informative

      From the article...

      At the Red Hat Summit, Mark Webbink, Deputy General Counsel at Red Hat, is expected to announce the creation of the Fedora Foundation and the Software Patent Commons.

      That is why there isn't anything on the websites yet, it hasn't been "officially" announced.

    2. Re:As of yet... by brontus3927 · · Score: 3, Informative
      Oops, I meant to link to those articles.

      CRN, GeekCoffee, Business Wire, and eWeek

  2. Ubuntu ? by anandpur · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Is this because ubuntu is gaining popularity and large number of GNOME developres are in ubuntu camp?

    1. Re:Ubuntu ? by LnxAddct · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Fedora's growth rate is 3 times that of the next fastest growing distro, Gentoo. In a little under 2 years Fedora has over 400,000 live servers on the net (yes a few were prior RH servers, but estimates show only about 10,000 - 20,000). Gentoo's growth rate is fast but they still are only around 63,000 servers. Fedora is overtaking Suse (they are about 25,000 servers apart). The two biggest distros are Red Hat Enterprise with 1.6 million servers and Debian with 760,000 servers. Most of the Ubuntu users are previous Debian testing and unstable users and previous Gentoo users. Red Hat is currently by far the biggest supporter of Gnome, the only company that ever claim close was Ximian. Red Hat dumps a ton of money into Gnome including developers, HIGs, user studies, quality assurance, and general advancement of the free desktop. Ubuntu is not even in the same ballpark as Fedora, its users just make a lot of noise and its founder has a lot of money for PR.
      Regards,
      Steve

    2. Re:Ubuntu ? by chrisbtoo · · Score: 4, Funny

      Gentoo's growth rate is fast but they still are only around 63,000 servers

      There would be a load more than that, but we're all still waiting for it to finish compiling.

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  3. what about KDE? by Karma+Sucks · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Will this finally put KDE development on an equal footing with GNOME in Fedora? Will KDE improvements from KDE developers to the RPM packages in Fedora now be accepted?

    Right now KDE suffers a big disadvantage vs GNOME. It is held crippled by "desktop" rules but not in the same way as GNOME. The GNOME desktop is seeing development, but the KDE desktop in Fedora is stagnating because it is not seeing any new development and it is even not taking new stuff from the KDE upstream like PlastiK defaults.

    So, I say again, will this be an opportunity for true improvement of KDE in Fedora? And if not, why not?

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    1. Re:what about KDE? by Jason+Earl · · Score: 4, Insightful

      My guess is that Red Hat will primarily be paying Red Hat engineers to work on Gnome, and I would also bet that the folks that work on FC will continue to work on making the Gnome and KDE stuff look similar. In other words the KDE stuff will continue to look like the Gnome stuff.

      For this to change then the KDE community would have to get a lot more involved with the FC community. In fact, they would have to get enough involved that they could change the course of the distribution. I am not part of the FC community, but I have watched enough Free Software projects that I would be very surprised if this signalled a big change. Red Hat is doing all it can to make Fedora as independent as possible, but it still is going to be providing the bulk of the actual development time.

  4. Reaction to Ubuntu success? by georgep77 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It seems to me that the rise in popularity of Ubuntu has caused "ripples" of concern amoung some of the more established (read older) distributions. As in the commercial world open source projects live and die by "mindshare" almost as much as technical merit. The spinning off of Fedora sounds like an attempt to recapture some lost mindshare.

    Cheers,
    _GP_

    1. Re:Reaction to Ubuntu success? by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 4, Interesting

      " It seems to me that the rise in popularity of Ubuntu has caused "ripples" of concern amoung some of the more established (read older) distributions."

      I don't think so. The people who go for Ubuntu seem to be in large part the same people who went for Gentoo a year ago (and were making these sorts of comments then as well) - and they'll go for the next du jour in 2006. They're a very vocal group - especially in places like /. - but the actual installed base is pretty inconsequential.

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  5. Change of Direction by geomon · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I see that they are willing to support "new Fedora" with engineering and financial assistance, but I wonder how long they will continue to help if the disto takes a turn that they do not support.

    What if Fedora begins to look, over time, more like Debian? Would they continue to provide engineering and financial support for that?

    An earlier article about Redhat developers wanting to dump old platforms may indicate how tolerant they are in supporting ideals that do not fit into their business model.

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  6. Thats good by brickballs · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Fedoras a decent operating system, I'v used it at times before. but what I'm really interested in is the patent reform.

    From the article:

    "Red Hat also promises to bolster its work on patent reform. After his discussion on open source licensing on Thursday, Webbink told CRN that many vendors including Red Hat and Nokia are pushing for is patent and copyright reforms because current laws presents obstacles to the open source movement. For its part, Red Hat is working with the European Parliament to modify the Computer-Implemented Inventions directive, Red Hat said. In the U.S., Red Hat has called for reform of the patent system to ensure better patent quality."

    It looks to me linke Europs really doing better on patent reform than the US. I'm really hoping that we can get our stuff together here stateside before its too late.

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  7. Re:how do they make money? by birder · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Companies who want to use Linux but want a nice safe company to blame use Red Hat. $500-1750 per year per copy. They get around $25k a year from us. I've never once in 3 years called Red Hat for support but management is happy to pay that price to point the finger at someone to blame.

  8. Re:Why use fedora? by hotdiggitydawg · · Score: 3, Funny

    The brim keeps the rain off your face, whereas a Debian tin-foil skullcap doesn't.

  9. Re:Need of full democracy by winkydink · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Yeah, look how fast Debian has been able to move and adapt.

    IMHO, well-managed projects need a benevolent dictator at the top to keep things moving.

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  10. Re:Need of full democracy by eviltypeguy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    One problem with that theory. You criticize Fedora for not being like Debian, even though Fedora's control structure is roughly the same as Ubuntu's. Yet, both Ubuntu and Fedora have none of the problems that Debian has. That isn't to say that Fedora and Ubuntu are equally successful, but they're both more successful than Debian. Tell me again why they should adopt Debian's approach, when it has failed and Fedora and Ubuntu are successful by comparison?

  11. Re:Tin Foil Hat, not Red Hat. by Erwos · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "This, I believe, is Red Hat's plan. I don't know about you, but I'm putting on my tin-foil hat."

    Your conspiracy theory is contradicted by, well, everything.

    Red Hat bought Netscape Directory Server. They promptly released it as Free software.

    They had the cluster file system. They released it as Free software.

    RHEL3 and RHEL4 are _all_ Free software. Not some - all.

    Sorry, but there is still a very strong Free software sentiment going on over there, and you only need to read the blogs of the employees to find it out. They don't sell anything proprietary, unless you count RHN (which isn't distributed per se anyways).

    If you want to convince people, try presenting, I don't know, a coherent argument with some sort of evidence. "I think" is pretty crappy proof.

    -Erwos

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