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India Will Need to Recruit 120,000 Foreigners

indi_jobs writes "After all the noise about jobs moving from Europe and USA to India, ZDNet India is reporting that 'India faces a massive shortage of workers with European language skills over the next five years which could see the country needing to recruit up to 120,000 foreigners...' Looks like the jobs may be moving to India but they might require the original people to do some of the jobs!" From the article: "Evalueserve said the ramping up of non-English speaking capability by the Indian offshore firms is an attempt to capture a larger share of the continental European outsourcing market, and reduce the country's high-risk exposure of more than 80 per cent of business coming from the UK and the U.S. economies."

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  1. yeah, I saw it coming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    screw flanders

  2. FP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    and I just created this account, too!

  3. Question: what happened to Michael Sims? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    Was he fired or what? Why has everyone at OSTG been so quiet about it?

  4. Re:Are Indian workers *that* much cheaper? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    They had contributed back. The OOS people chose a particular license. Apple followed said license and did everything required by it. OSS people got upset as they wanted more. Apple have now gone way over and above what is required and provided this.

  5. Re:Word ! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    a) Apple released the source before
    b) they've just added additional ways of accessing the source instead of a giant tarball

  6. "Preferred form" BS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    The "preferred form" of most Apple developers is probably some versioning system running as a client on G5 workstations, so obviously Apple is legally obligated to provide the changed source code to KHTML developers in that form. Go sign on to the KHTML project now and your free G5 will be shipped soon!/p

  7. Re:One way ticket by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    Sorry, but that's just bs... the "KHTML developers" picked the license, and Apple gave back as much as they had to according to that license. That's it, that's the whole thing; Apple never were the bad guys, because they did what they have to.

    Bullshit. The fact that they weren't legally required to be good citizens does not mean no one should ever be able to criticize their actions. They took a piece of software from an open-source group, acted like they wanted to cooperate with them, then forked it too far and acted like asses when the KHTML guys asked them to try to work back toward one codebase. They went so far as to tell the KHTML guys to just drop their project and use Apple's version.

    None of this was illegal. It was just a dickhead move.

    Of course, now Apple has done something in the hopes of correcting that, which indicates they also feel they haven't done right by KHTML. Hopefully this will help the situation...overall, I have seen Apple as a halfway decent OSS player. But in this case, I think time will have to tell...the real issue is whether this will help the two codebases codevelop more or not. If it doesn't, Apple will have been the "bad guy" because they will have unnecessarily split development resources and time for a project that could have been cooperatively handled. That's a Bad Thing, regardless of whether it's legally permissible./p

  8. Re:hmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic
    Well, that's another tooth pulled from the DMCA. Unfortunately the process of judicial review is slow...

    But eventually it will reach its end. And then the DMCA is gone. That's because your (the US) constitution in on your side. Indeed, the US clearly states that authors and inventors should only be granted "exclusive rights" if that promotes the Progress of Science and useful Arts. That's a good thing.

    Now imagine you had a constitution which would grant intellectual property owners unconditional protection. Imagine, that instead of saying ... to promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries. it just said intellectual property shall be protected period!

    In that case, you'd be up shit creek without a paddle fighting the DMCA.

    Now imagine you had a choice. Imagine you were asked to either accept such a flawed constitution or to reject it. Would you accept it?

    Now, imagine that Bush threatened to resign if the constitution containing such a paragraph was rejected, saying in no uncertain terms that it would be a matter of common political decency to resign rather than be president of a country where intellectual property would not be protected 100%. Would you still reject the constitution? Or would you be cowed into accepting such a flawed document, for fear of losing your beloved president? Or would you rather rejoice at the prospect of having an easy way to ditch that village idiot ;-)?

    In the next couple of months millions of EU citizens will be offered this choice. Millions of others won't be asked. If you are among the lucky ones that have a referendum, chose wisely. The EU constitution does indeed say, in article II.77.2, that intellectual property shall be protected. Nothing else. No limits to institutional greed. Some still think that it is in their best interest to say yes. Don't be fooled, and read the treaty before you sign it. The French and Dutch already have made up their mind.

    Europe yes, but not with this constitution!/p

  9. Re:Tell me about it! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic
    Of course, if you read the summary above, it was a District Court of Appeals, not the Supremes....

    Yeah, I'd agree with you if it weren't for that inconvenient first sentence in the actual news article...

    "The United States Supreme Court has rejected Lexmark's petition for certiorari, upholding Static Control's position against the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA) and copyright issues raised by Lexmark in connection with Static Control's sale of Lexmark compatible chips./p

  10. Re:Business plan. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    One of the interesting points that each book I mentioned makes is that appointees almost never tow the presidential party line.

    They cite a few reasons:

    1) Rule of Law and the Constitution defies party lines. Or at least it should. It's the difference between a democracy and a republic. In a democracy, majority rules but in a republic, the law rules. I'm sure there are plenty of judges out there who don't and won't ever get this difference and will use SCOTUS as an attempt to make laws but they soon learn that it won't fly with SCOTUS. I get worried when I hear the Supreme Court mentioning public opinion as a basis for a ruling because it means that we inch closer to a doomed democracy.

    2) SCOTUS justices are beholden to no man and they will long outlive the president who appointed them. W.H.R. cites several examples of this in his book and makes a grand point about it. He himself was appointed by Nixon and has long outlived that man's career.

  11. I ain't no Linux zealot or fanboy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    But even I know that Dvorak is an idiot. Like the cliche says, "Even a stopped clock is right twice a day." /p

  12. Re:one word: by quarkscat · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    I certainly had no intention of insulting anyone's religious beliefs in the use of the word "karma".

    I do think that I have a rather basic understanding of the word, however, when used in its religious context. IMHO, karma is both cause and effect, both yin and yang, and circles within circles. Its manifestations cross cycles of life, but also exist within a single lifetime. Karma is the great force of equilibrium.

  13. Re:English-speaking language skills in short suppl by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic
    Because he talks, and people listen... and he talks...ppl listen...talk...listen...

    One day you figure out he's been an idiot the whole time, and its too late to shut him up!/p

  14. Re: blame not the CEO... by mangu · · Score: 1, Offtopic
    making decisions to obtain short-term savings and line my own pockets at the expense of long-term viability


    You mean American farmers, right? Because the USA and Europe protect farmers in countries that aren't really adequate for farming. Why plant sugarcane in Louisiana, oranges in Florida, or coffe in Hawaii, when the best place for those is in the state of São Paulo in Brazil?


    And it isnt'only farming, obsolete industries in the "rust belt" also get subsidies. Brazilian steel exports must face heavy tariffs and non-tariff barriers in exporting to the USA.


    So, look at the long term consequences. The Brazilian real has a lower than normal exchange rate against the US dollar. This means that Brazilian agriculture and steel companies can compete in the USA.


    OTOH, high technology companies in Brazil get an extra boost in their exports. With a favorable exchange rate and not having to face high barriers in exporting, the Brazilian aviation industry is able to compete very favorably against the American general aviation industry.


    By protecting farmers and old steel mills you are keeping those low-paying jobs in the USA and exporting sophisticated technological jobs to the third world. Now, what exactly is sanity and what is greed?

  15. Re:one word: by quarkscat · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    I have found that there are many admirable traits to be found within "eastern" religions. The only aspect of Hinduism that I find to be particularly negative is the rigid caste system it engenders. If the cross-pollination of religions between east and west had been more vigorous since Alexander, the European "Age of Enlightenment" might never have occurred.

  16. Re:one word: by quarkscat · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    I am in your debt.

    It was part of my understanding that karma represented (in simplified western terms) "that what comes around, goes around". Meaning that proper and honorable actions would be rewarded in this or some subsequent lifetime: likewise as a punishment for improper and dishonorable actions.

    Your description would seem to deny any attribution of the Hindu religion as a basis for the enforcement of the rigid caste system, which would make it more of a cultural issue not so unlike the western adoption of slavery (after a fashion). Slavery in the West found no validation in the Christian religion, although verses were sometimes misquoted in attempts to justify it.

    It looks like I need to spend much more time reading about religions, and less time writing about them. Could you point me toward an English language treatese on Hinduism to bring me toward a greater understanding?