Slashdot Mirror


Keyboards are Good; Mouses are Dumb

An anonymous reader writes "Most emacs/vi users know this, but it seems the more I use the mouse, the less output I am making. The keyboard does seem to make much more of a mind-meld than the imprecise mouse. Paul Tyma hits it on the head."

17 of 569 comments (clear)

  1. Nice read and all, but... by inkdesign · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...when did opinions become news??

    1. Re:Nice read and all, but... by Scrameustache · · Score: 5, Funny

      when did opinions become news?

      Right before the word "editorial" was invented, I believe.

      --

      You can't take the sky from me...

    2. Re:Nice read and all, but... by ZephyrXero · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yeah, I mean pure text/command line/keyboard only is great if you're a programmer. But I need a mouse for doing art/graphics and it's much easier than having to tab 30 times till the correct hyperlink is selected in my browser...guess it just depends on what it is you're doing ;)

      --
      "A truly wise man realizes he knows nothing."
    3. Re:Nice read and all, but... by shotfeel · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "the right tool for the right job"

      Still as true today as back in the old Usenet days when people would waste their lives argueing over CLI vs. GUI. I guess there's a whole new generation that hasn't figured it out yet.

    4. Re:Nice read and all, but... by Tiger4 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Unfortunately, there are programmers using CLI out there developing tools for GUI users. The GUIs function, sorta, kinda, after a fashion, but the programmers never have to actually use them, so they don't understand all the complaints and whining over how crappy the GUIs are. This should sound really familiar to Linux developers. If it doesn't, perhaps you are POTP. The Apple HIG have been out for, what, about 20 years now?

      --
      Behold, this dreamer cometh. Come now, and let us slay him... and we shall see what will become of his dreams.
  2. One activity where this ISN'T true... by rel4x · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...Counterstrike.



    I've tried it. Absolutely impossible.

    --

    Before you mod me funny, think, perhaps I was insightfully funny?
  3. Maybe in some tasks. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Imagine trying to use a CAD program, or even browse a web-forum without a mouse. The mouse still wins in some applications.

    (Didn't RTFA).

    1. Re:Maybe in some tasks. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I make my living with a CAD program. While I wouldn't want to use it without the mouse, I am much faster than many of the people around me because I use the keyboard more. Rather than hunting around for a little tool button to click, I just type the command with my left hand. It's faster and it keeps my spacial focus on my drawing instead of on the interface. Like the blurb says (can't read the article), the keyboard is more of a mind-meld, because a touch-typist doesn't have to think about typing, it just happens. The best mouse user still has to look at where there mouse is going in order to be able to click the right thing. I shouldn't have to look at the interface, only the thing I'm working on.

      So, the keyboard and mouse are both useful interface devices. IMO The efforts to make everything point-and-click are misguided, because they throw out a very powerful interface device. I usually consider it a Windows disease, because Windows is more likely to aim for a least-common-denominator (It's a design choice). Programs like AutoCAD that grew from a Unix Workstation mentality assume that the user is intelligent, and provide power for those that want it. Autodesk Inventor seems much more stifling to me, because the interface (Created for Windows by Windows users) is designed to force me to use it their way, not mine, and they want me to click on things with the mouse.

  4. Ok quick, draw me a corporate logo by theurge14 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Use Illustrator and only your keyboard. Go!

  5. Not quite. by Daniel+Baumgarten · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Can you imagine how many times I would have had to hit 'tab' just to get to this textarea if I only had a keyboard and was using w3m or something? I shudder at the prospect.

    --
    "Screw slashdot." -- Linus Torvalds
    1. Re:Not quite. by MattyIce · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Being a blind computer user, I don't use the mouse at all--unless I am controlling the mouse pointer with the keyboard. I primarily use IE in conjunction with Window-Eyes as a screen-reading application. With this combination, I can very easily and quickly move to various types of controls on web pages etc. Most people who have observed me browsing the web etc. say I navigate through web pages much faster than they do. Granted, I am using some specialized software to do this but I don't see why someone couldn't write some scripts to do some of the same tasks that my screen-reader does to simplify web navigation.

  6. Hits it on the head.. by PopeAlien · · Score: 5, Funny

    Hits it on the head..

    This page cannot be displayed due to an internal error.

    ..and apparently knocks it out.

  7. Article Text by alue · · Score: 5, Informative

    Articles : Mom, I think I'm a Cyborg
    Posted by paul on 2005/5/20 9:24:00 (1328 reads)

    Keyboards are good. Mouses are dumb.

    If I was an alien looking to slowdown the technological advancement of the human race, I would have implanted into their society the things we call the keyboard and the mouse. In fact, the only personal proof I have that this was not the case is if aliens were involved they would have updated the pain by now. Like making the "shift" key a foot pedal or something.

    Assuming mailicious aliens weren't involved, this isn't good news. It means we were silly enough to have invented these things ourselves. And then we were silly enough to let them "catch on". And we're silly enough to not personally diverge to a more efficient invention just in case we might later still need to know how to use this one. We humans follow a frighteningly simple herd mentality, God forbid someone jumps off a cliff and yells "free USB fobs!" - we'd be goners.

    Truth is however, that with the keyboard at least - we have adapted. Our brains and fingers have optimized this abomination enough to actually get decent output. Obviously, the optimal tool would be one that can output words (actually, getting rid of words and going right to thoughts would be way better, but that is as of yet - out of scope) as fast as we can think them.

    Now you might actually have been thinking the opposite. That the mouse is the more precise tool of the two. Well not for me it isn't. For artists and graphic manipulators the mouse is all that and a bag of chips - but for text people like myself, you can keep your seedy mice.

    The problem with mice (which the nefarious aliens know all too well) is that its use removes your hand from the keyboard. To open a file in your favorite editor, chances are you grab the mouse, find the pointer with your eyes, move it to "file", click, move it down to "open" (hopefully not having to deal with any of those sub-menus that always seem to unpop off my screen as I'm moving down trying to get a lower entry) and once again click.

    The alternative way to do this using just the keyboard (which I'm callously assuming is where your fingers already are) is to hold ALT, press F, let go of both, then hit O (thats as in "oh", not zero).

    I have never written down all those operations before now and just looking at the two makes me feel stupid to have every used a mouse to open a file. The ALT-F method is no secret - why the heck don't we use it? ALT-F then O is even two different hands - it really is quite fast. My only explanation is that such keystrokes are cryptic and will require a bout or two of memorization whereas the peachy mouse-menu route hand-holds us right along the way. The mouse cursor gives us a constant bookmark of where our thought process is "I just clicked the file menu - now I'm moving to click open".

    There is a nice book by Andy Clark called Natural Born Cyborgs. He makes an interesting observation that we all are already cyborgs (loosely defined as a fusion of humans and technology). His example is that if I am at your house, I may ask you "Do you know what the word poikilotherm means?". If you don't you would say "No, but we can look it up!". Upon consulting your house dictionary or your ubiquitous wifi connection, you can easily do that.

    Now similarly, I might ask "Do you know what time it is?". And, at the very instant of me asking, you may not. However, the common response is to raise your wrist to your face and say "Yeah, its 4:30".

    You liar. YOU did not know. Your watch knew but took credit for its perpetual temporal omniscience. I always know what time it is cuz dadburnit - I have a watch! In effect, we have extended our concept of self to include our watches - thus in Dr. Clark's claim we are cyborg. (Note that grammatically speaking, that sentence should end in "cyborgs", not "cyborg" - but if you ever watched Star Trek you'd know that cyborgs don't use contractions and often speak of th

  8. 1980 by FreeUser · · Score: 5, Funny

    I believe Fox News was founded in 1980.

    --
    The Future of Human Evolution: Autonomy
  9. No kidding. by Matilda+the+Hun · · Score: 5, Funny

    They're stupid. As a matter of fact, GUIs are stupid too. So are command lines. If you're a REAL geek, you'll do your computer work with a punch card. If it can't be done with that, well, it must not be worth doing.

    --
    Tluin natha Linux xxizzuss uriu olt bwael mon'tun.
  10. Re:Thinly veiled "I love emacs" article by BlogPope · · Score: 5, Funny
    The smaller your editor, the bigger your penis! Text editors want to be minimalist!

    Thats why I write all my term papers in binary as Postscript files. My keyboard is a simple rocker switch, left for 1, right for 0. You crazy kids and your ASCII!

    --
    My other car is a Popemobile
  11. Slow news day by jfengel · · Score: 5, Funny

    So rather than being a general case study with broad applicability, Slashdot has just put on its front page an article that says, "I like keyboards!"

    Somehow, "News for one particular nerd" just doesn't have the right ring.

    Slow news day, here we come.